For everybody who's leaving the party if...

[MonkeyFunk]

their candidate doesn't win: Don't forget your goody bag!

[ronnykmarshall]

1. and also ....

I can't control what Chi-Chi might do.

It's out my hands at that point.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. I heart Chi-Chi

I, for one, look forward to the wrath of giant robotic pterodactyls.

[fenriswolf]

2. wow what a gracious democrat you are.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. Sheesh

you offer goody bags and the kids still complain.

[Desertrose]

9. kids??

Does that mean you're the "grup"? :rofl:

[Bake]

97. There's just no pleasing some people.

Sigh.

Bake

[no name no slogan]

3. There's freaking GOODY BAGS?

Had I known this, I would've left back in 2000.

DAMMIT.

[OhioChick]

4. Me, Too! n/t

[Just-plain-Kathy]

27. The party left us in 2000, I wonder what kind of goody bags our leaders got.

[MonkeyFunk]

37. Take some cake home with you

[wyldwolf]

6. Every party has a pooper that's why we invited you... Party Pooper... That's you!

Sang to those who leave a party early.

[bvar22]

36. !

[HughBeaumont]

82. Either way, I guess that's what they'll be doing.

And I suppose that's perfectly fine for some.

For those like you and I . . . who want our leaders to, and I'm just spitballing here, have Democratic positions on issues, where are we to go?

[Desertrose]

8. Just where do you think they will go?

With or without said goodie bag?


You seem awfully cavalier about those who leave because they are dissatisfied with the current Dem party. It doesn't concern you if enough leave, there may not be that many left to vote for your candidate??

[MonkeyFunk]

10. I think of it as a childish threat

and I'm not going to be swayed at all by it. If a kid says he's going to hold his breath until he passes out, I just make sure he's sitting on the couch while he does it.

[Desertrose]

11. But maybe it's not...ever consider that?

I don't think the dems should be that arrogant to not care if their voters leave....

[MonkeyFunk]

13. As I explained

it's a childish threat, and I won't be swayed for it. The implied threat is "vote for MY candidate, or I'll make sure you suffer later."

It's blackmail, and it's childish, and I think 99% of the people who say it are just stamping their feet and holding their breath - they're not to be taken seriously.

In 28 years of voting the only time MY candidate won the nomination was 1996, when Clinton ran unopposed. Did I leave the party? Never. I've always voted for our nominee, whether or not he was my first choice.

I'm not going to change my primary vote in the futile hope that some whingers won't leave the party.

[girl gone mad]

29. If Clinton's our candidate..

Bloomberg will likely enter the race. If enough Democrats decide to go for a candidate that could represent real systemic change, your girl will lose.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. There's cake and appetizers...

let me fix you a plate to go.

[girl gone mad]

45. Did I say I was leaving the party?

You're just plain ignorant.

It's extremely unlikely Clinton could win the election. You can bookmark this thread for future reference if you like. I called the last four right, and I even predicted Kerry would lose the GE back during the primaries on DU, for all the reasons that he did lose. There were plenty of Kerry supporters who acted like asses at the time, cheering on their racehorse and pettily denigrating detractors instead of thinking about the larger goal of actually getting a Democrat into the White House.

Clinton is the worst choice of the 3 remaining. Bloomberg will probably run, and will probably peel away just enough Democrats and Independents to let McCain walk in.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. so you will vote for Clinton if she's the nominee?

cool - we'll have even better goody bags in November.

[girl gone mad]

53. What, pray tell, are you doing to help your candidate..

win the general election?

I ask because the attitude you display in this thread is certainly not going to bring a single convert to your cause. This isn't a fucking football game. This is about people's lives and futures. The games you're playing don't help your candidate and they don't help our party.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. I don't give a fuck about converting anybody here

It's simply not going to happen. Nobody here has ever converted anybody.

But in the meantime, I'll have fun pointing out that the "my way or the highway" so-called Dems are childish little whingers with no sense of history and even less knowledge of politics.

And don't lecture me about "our party" when I'm the one arguing for supporting the party.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

63. You're not supporting our party...you're supporting corporate America....

...and their take over of our country.

Dodd and Biden both would have made a better president than Hillary, but they didn't have the corporate support that our future Queen has.

The outcome of the NH primaries were questionable. Need I say more?

[MonkeyFunk]

64. Don't forget your goody bag!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

65. People want to talk about real issues and you just act like a funky monkey.

That's ok have fun with your party.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. No

the people I'm addressing do NOT want to talk about real issues. They want to threaten others by saying they won't vote for X in the general election because they didn't get their way.

It's childish.

[girl gone mad]

72. How are you supporting the party?

By acting like a child in a playground brawl?

[MonkeyFunk]

75. I'll tell you what I'm NOT doing -

I'm not here day after day trashing our candidates, like many do.

I'm not threatening to withhold my vote if I don't get my way.

I donate, I volunteer, I talk to people, and I've done it solidly for Democrats for over 28 years.

[fenriswolf]

12. said the women

while her house burned down around her.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Don't forget your goody bag!

[elizm]

15. No....it's only if YOUR candidate wins. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

17. Don't forget your goody bag!

This year it has pixie stix and crying towels.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. Chi-Chi, take note!

[MonkeyFunk]

21. I think Chi-Chi Goodybag

would be a good name for a robotic pterodactyl.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. I'll change it.

That is now her full name. Chi-Chi Goodybag. She flapping her wings and munching on an old Wang computer right now. She likes it.

[LostinVA]

16. You said it, brother

[bigwillq]

18. Oooh very nice!

:P ;) :)

I'm sticking with the DEMS though so I will have to pass on that lovely gift.

Obama and Clinton are not my first choice and each have some serious flaws but I will vote for them in the GE. They are still a lot better than what will be on the other side of the ballot.

[ursi]

20. I am thinking of leaving the party if Edwards or Obama lose and the Divider wins

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Don't forget your goody bag!

Ooh! stickers!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

31. What a lovely goody bag. I'd rather have the goody bag then Hillary as our president. ...n/t

[Chovexani]

59. I had one of those in the sixth grade

I put Lisa Frank stickers all over it. :D

[Steely_Dan]

23. What a childish thread...

how old are you?

-P

[MonkeyFunk]

24. 46

have some cake before you go.

[Steely_Dan]

28. If you really are 46...

and you're acting like this, I can only conclude that there has been some arrested development somewhere along the line. That, or you're naturally "mean spirited." Are you representative of those that support your candidate?

-P

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Acting like what?

A guy who doesn't give a shit if children threaten to throw a tantrum?

[Steely_Dan]

61. You Know Exactly What I'm Talking About...

You OP is childish and doesn't further the discussion.

-P

[MonkeyFunk]

62. and my point

is that threatening to leave the party if your nominee doesn't get the nod isn't worthy of discussion - it's worthy of derision.

[Steely_Dan]

66. Sometimes...

people's passion can override their reason. Is that not understandable to you?

-P

[MonkeyFunk]

69. so....

After 7 years of Bush because people said "Gore and Bush are the same", I'm supposed to have sympathy for idiots who want to do it all over again? Fuck that.

Have a goody bag.

[Bake]

98. And yet all the posters planning to leave ARE furthering the discussion?

"I'll take my little red wagon and go home!" That's furthering the discussion?

Bake

[sniffa]

25. Dooga Dooga Dooga

Oh wait, wrong thread.

[no name no slogan]

34. thread over

congratulations, you win a series of tuubes

[stimbox]

99. HAHAHA!!!

I think he understands it too.


:rofl:

[stravu9]

30. No Thanks!

I've seen some of your candidates goodies and don't want any!

[bonito]

32. It's going to be awfully lonely

So you better hang on to them when we leave.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. Chi-Chi !!

Be kind to this one. So sad.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Here...

take some cake home.

[Maribelle]

78. Now that's what I call tempting.

Can we get cake for staying?


Please?

[MonkeyFunk]

80. Yes

people who stay get cake AND goody bags - and OUR goody bags are way more bitchin' than the ones THEY'RE getting.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. I hearby nominate this for a DUZY!

[terrya]

105. I second this nomination

[PeaceNikki]

107. Third!

:bounce:

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. What candidate? I'm in Florida. I don't get one.

What the fuck ever. Just don't let a Republican take the White House, eh folks?

[smalll]

42. Seriously, by November, I think the vast majority of them WILL find themselves able to vote for HRC-

Less seriously, for the few who won't, well, to gussy up an old saying:
"Don't permit the hinged portal to transmit it's force of impact to you where a benevolent deity effectuated a schism upon your person!"

[Zorra]

43. I may leave if your candidate, who I will vote for, loses the General Election.

Then I'll know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were set up to lose.

Because a yellow dog would be able to beat any one of this crop of loony toons republican candidates by a landslide.

[sandnsea]

44. well thank god she's such a crappy candidate

that she's destroying her own campaign. I won't have to worry about voting for the most ocrrupt Democrat in the history of our party, and that includes LBJ.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. No goody bag for you

you go to the naughty chair.

[sandnsea]

50. I'm getting a whole chair???

DH will be happy to hear it. I bet he brings his own goody bag.

[fenriswolf]

47. i just wanted to say how very authoritarian

you do not like my candidate or my views on my candidate so therofore you are wrong

you do not fit in my society so therefor you must leave

you do not completly agree with me so we can do without YOU

god i hope the gestapo doesnt stop by house because i dont have a big fat

IM BLINDLY IN LOVE WITH HILLARY AND I JUST CANT STOP MYSELF

sign where everyone can see.

Ill see you true democrats in the re-education camps so we can all be good hill bots

[MonkeyFunk]

49. I'm offeirng goody bags

if you find that authoritarian, then I can't much help you.

And this has nothing to do with Clinton - I'll vote for the Democratic nominee in November, whoever it is.

Take some cake.

[fenriswolf]

52. no your being demeaning and annoying

and like it has been stated before childish, I dont care if you are almost twice my age at least I can have a half decent discussion with someone before plugging up my ears going "lalalala have cake"

[MonkeyFunk]

58. There's no having a decent discussion

with people who threaten to not vote or vote third-party if their candidate doesn't get the nod. They're whingey little punks, not worthy of grownup discussion.

[fenriswolf]

67. ah i see so no room for discussion about how most of the main

stream candidates have become so worried about plateforms that appeal to so called "moderates" while vocalizing progressive issues and all this storm and rage in the end signifying nothing? that yes a republican candidate would be worse off for the wear. But maybe just maybe the democratic candidate will win? the republican loose but a third party candidate come in second? imagine, you get hillary and the nation goes "hmmm maybe if I had voted for the guy i really wanted he would have gotten elected" or is it more important to lock step with you?

[MonkeyFunk]

70. Once the nomination is secured

it's just petulance not to vote for the Dem.

I don't care how you want to phrase it - if you don't vote for the Dem in November, you're an idiot.

[HughBeaumont]

84. Great, now we're FLAMING people that don't go lockstep.

Astounding.

Piss on your fucking goody bag and piss on this thread.

[MonkeyFunk]

85. awww

sounds like you had too much sugar. No more cake for you.

[Kucinich4America]

51. Of all the fascist loyalty threads I've seen here in the past week

This is the Fascist-iest.....

Now there's a slogan you can sell goody bags and official Hillary Devil's Food Cake with.

It would be a laugh riot if it didn't involve the irreversible destruction of this country. :evilfrown:

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Mussolini was famous

for his goody bags.

[Lucinda]

54. I don't wanna leave the party..... can I have some cake anyway?

I like cake.

[MonkeyFunk]

57. sure!

Cake for everyone!

[Lucinda]

60. Mmmmmmmm. Cake!!!

:headbang: Thanks!

[Qanisqineq]

90. Me too!

I'll vote for anyone as long as s/he has a "D" by his/her name. But at the same time... I really want a good bag. What to do!?!?
:shrug:

[Lucinda]

100. I know.....soooo many decisions in this election!

I almost sold my soul for cake :eyes: so I'm not one to give advice on bags.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

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[MonkeyFunk]

76. This has nothing to do with Obama, or Clinton, or Edwards

I've seen supporters on all sides make these childish threats.

[Perry Logan]

73. Imagine the big party we'll have when they're gone.

[cboy4]

104. Ouch

lol

[HughBeaumont]

74. It's not really the job of the voter to mold his/her views to the party.

It's up to the party to listen to it's constituents.

So are we going to be part of the party that blames it's own voters for not allowing it to take them for granted?

I mean, I kind of expect my leaders to have oppositional points of view.

When they voted FOR Bewsh's Iraq debacle and FOR his green-light to go all John Wayne on Iran if he sees fit AND FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy bill AND AGAINST the Cluster Bomb vote AND supported the Peru trade agreement AND supports job offshoring AND wants to increase h1-b and L1 visas here . . . do people still have the GALL to ask why I wouldn't support such a candidate?

[MonkeyFunk]

77. Don't forget your goody bag!

[HughBeaumont]

79. Yeah, way to not refute anything I said.

[MonkeyFunk]

81. Why should I refute anything you said?

If you wanna not vote Dem in November, knock yourself out. Grab a goody bag on the way out.

[EstimatedProphet]

83. News flash

If Hillary gets the nomination, IT IS THE WILL OF THE CONSTITUENTS.

Sorry, but I don't buy this corporate America controlling the votes thing. People are still voting for all of the candidates, and who are you to tell the people that vote for someone you like that their vote shouldn't count because it's not for the people you support?

[HughBeaumont]

86. Actually, it's quite possible for her to get the nom without the will of the people.

If the delegate numbers go in her favor, she can get it regardless of who the people vote for. That's been pointed out a lot here.

I'm hard pressed to understand why anyone would support a candidate that has an arguably large amount of negatives and less-than-democratic positions on key issues such as the Middle East and preventing jobs from going overseas. The trade, visa and offshoring issue that I keep bringing up is one that no one wants to touch with a ten-foot pole apparently.

[EstimatedProphet]

96. Well, I'm hard-pressed to understand

why it is people on DU believe that voters who support someone other than their particular candidate are not legitimate. People who support a candidate, any candidate, on DU are told as a matter of course anymore how they are at best stupid and at worst traitors to their country. There's a sizeable portion of DU posters who believe that they are the only ones with a valid viewpoint. I hate to see self-proclaimed "progressives" acting like Republicans.

If Hillary gets the number of delegates in the primaries, that is a measure of how many people voted for her in the primaries. That in turn is a measure of her support. What authority does anyone have to tell them they are wrong?

[terrya]

87. Thanks, but I'm sticking with the Democrats, period.

Gosh, I guess I'm taking a "loyalty oath". I'm a pariah now. :eyes:

[LostinVA]

88. Me too

[MonkeyFunk]

89. well

you'll have to wait 'til November for your goody bag, but have some cake.

[vee]

91. Party's fine, Just kick out some of the race baiting power drunk candidates.

I'm embarrassed for her , she's making a spectacle of herself.

[MonkeyFunk]

92. We don't have any of those

The Republicans have a few, though.

[vee]

93. The power drunk lady on your right, the one wearing the "Martin LOSER King" Button.

[MonkeyFunk]

94. You need a nap

[vee]

95. A nap is just what she needs...Now shes rambling...let's move closer to hear....

"That bastard... He never ate pizza when I DID IT!"

Oh my, somebody get that lady outta here.

[JohnnyLib2]

101. Well, how is your supply holding out?

I won't comment on the demand part right now.

[MonkeyFunk]

102. I've had to go to the party store twice to get new bags

and I'm running out of goodies.

I'm down to some "Archie" stickers and soy-sauce packets.

[vee]

103. Got anything good for Celebs?... I hear Bill might be needing something, If Hill doesn't make it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4061111&mesg_id=4061111

[MonkeyFunk]

108. Bill will be voting Dem in November

so he gets his goody bag then.

And that thread you linked to is just another example of a half-truth being spread here. Shame.

[vee]

109. OOhhh... I better stay in this Full-Truth thread then...

I should hope he does vote come November.
It would be a shame to blow a perfectly
good Democratic erection...

Scratch that... election! Election is what I ment to say.

[MonkeyFunk]

111. ooh!

A Clinton erection joke!

I swear, you people don't even try anymore.

[vee]

112. Better we vet er now! before we BLOW the erection!

[vee]

113. OK I quit, I'm tired of this silly thread you win.

[PeaceNikki]

106. Wow! Super fun thread!!

I brought more goody bags!

:bounce:

[MonkeyFunk]

110. ooh!

Thanks! I was running out!