Hillary Supporters: If she admits to drug use, can WE use it against you guys?

[PresidentObama]

Seems like it's still a talking point of the Hillary supporters....

Well if you think Hillary is holier than thou and didn't do drugs, you're naive.

You'd be hard pressed to find many people from her generation that didn't try drugs or experiment.

Hell, ever since the 60's...drug use and experimenting with drugs has been a part of our society.

Barack Obama told the truth about it, he said it was dumb, and showed LEADERSHIP in telling the truth. He didn't lie or make up some bullshit like he didn't inhale.

So if Senator Clinton's classmates from years ago came out and said Hillary was a pot head, and she admited drug use....would you want Obama or Edwards supporters to come after you with pitchforks?

Eating our own solves nothing. Just makes you look like a jack ass, I suppose.

ON EDIT: I'm proud to be drug-free. I'm a college student, and in today's society...I'm proud of that record of achievement :P

[goldcanyonaz]

1. If Hillary inhaled, I would like her even more.

[jasmine621]

28. If she admitted to drug use, she get a helluva lot more votes.

I think she could admit to it without raising an eyebrow. Why not? It didn't stop Bush from getting elected, even lying about it.

[mrdemocrat78]

69. Me TOO!

[wyldwolf]

2. IF she does, YES you can.

[PresidentObama]

4. Are you naive? Do you think since she didn't admit it, that she didn't experiment?

I'm certainly not dumb, and can see her campaigns hypocrisy.

Let me guess, she didn't inhale either?

If you do believe she did, and other Hillary supporters do as well, isn't your attacks on Obama for the drug use total hypocrisy?

[wyldwolf]

7. IF she does, YES you can

[Deja Q]

5. "Does"? Or "Did"?

Present vs past tense, though some might claim that her gaffes are a result of drugging it up in the present...

I couldn't care less. Politics is nothing more than a glorified version of the Jerry Springer show...

:yoiks:

[wyldwolf]

8. "does," because the OP asks "Is she admits..."

[annie1]

3. sure. good luck with that though. no record of her dabbling in drugs.

[saracat]

11. I really, really wouldn't bet on that. I am certain a few well placed calls to old classmates would

say different. Remmeber Hillary also "lived" wuth Bill before they were married. No big to me but she was of her generation, and mine! she is a bit older but still we ALL experiemnted, unless you were religious nutcases, which she and Bill were not. Bill and Hillary were quite "liberated" and i say "more power to them.".It wouldn't change a thing if they find Hillary inhaled.If she admits it, some will like her better!During the last election cycle all the candidates but Lieberman, Sharpton, and Kucinich admitted smoking pot.

[annie1]

15. maybe, but from what i've read...

she's always been pretty much goody too shoes. and it's funny, but i remember when i read that they moved in together, i was quite shocked! so , maybe. but i've always read about her being quite square.

[wyldwolf]

16. why don't you get in your car and make those calls?

[PresidentObama]

17. Are you naive and believe Clinton didn't experiment with drugs?

I know already you think she's holier than thou, but be honest...will ya?

And if you do believe she did, why doesn't the His44 crowd cut the crap? And stop the outright hypocrisy.

I'm glad at least Obama is honest about it.

[wyldwolf]

19. are you grasping and trying to make an issue out of something that isn't there?

[PresidentObama]

20. No, I'm here to expose hypocrisy.

Please enlighten with with an answer...

Do you believe Hillary Clinton didn't experiment with drugs? Are you THAT naive?

And if so, why does Team Hillary spew the bullshit at Obama?

[wyldwolf]

21. first you must learn the definition of hypocrisy

Since Hillary has not admitted drug use, and there is no documented evidence or rumors of such, there is no hypocrisy to expose.

[PresidentObama]

But if she did, would her campaign be hypocritical?

And are you naive enough to believe she didn't experiment with drugs?

Man you Hillary supporters are good at avoiding difficult questions, and spinning like crazy.

It's pretty simple: Yes or No.

Yes, you think she did like most in her generation and thus her campaign is full of hypocrites. Or no, you've naive and think she's holier than thou and "didn't inhale."

[wyldwolf]

29. IF she did, YES it would.

[CyberPieHole]

60. To paraphrase Baby Jane Hudson...*BUT SHE DIDN'T, BLANCHE*BUT SHE DIDN'T*

Senator Clinton HASN'T snorted cocaine. OBAMA HAS ADMITTED SNORTING COCAINE.

You can hypothesize all you want~~~coulda, woulda, shoulda~~~BUT SHE DIDN'T!!!

Deal with it.:hi:

[PresidentObama]

24. But if she did, would her campaign be hypocritical?

And are you naive enough to believe she didn't experiment with drugs?

Man you Hillary supporters are good at avoiding difficult questions, and spinning like crazy.

It's pretty simple: Yes or No.

Yes, you think she did like most in her generation and thus her campaign is full of hypocrites. Or no, you've naive and think she's holier than thou and "didn't inhale."

[CyberPieHole]

63. If she did YOU would be the hypocrite...because you'd be shouting it from roof~tops...

...you'd love it, probably as much, if not more than O'reily and Limpballs. You'd be rubbing it in the face of anyone who even thought of supporting Senator Clinton.

But the plain and simple fact is: SHE HAS NEVER SNORTED COCAINE.

"If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon" That's how logical your question is.:silly:

[PresidentObama]

77. Um I like Senator Clinton, I don't like her campaigns tactics. So no, I wouldnt do what your team is

[stillcool]

42. Was she with Bill...

when he 'didn't' inhale?

[wyldwolf]

48. no

Bill admitted using marijuana while at Oxford. He didn't meet Hillary until they were both at Yale.

[stillcool]

53. I guess no one was copping pot...

at Yale? What did she do, live under a rock?

[saracat]

64. I wouldn't bother cause I don't care! D'you have a problem with the posibility that Hillary was a

"normal" girl? For her era? She was a war protester for gods sake! She wasn't exactly a twinset wearing weenie. Haven't you ever seen any pics of her and Bill? I think it sounds like you have a problem and not Hillary.

[Bicoastal]

6. This is a real "cast the first stone" criticism.

I don't know about racism, sexism, homophobia and the like...but anyone who gives Obama shit for trying (and abandoning) drugs as a young adult better be prepared to talk about their own spotless record.

[PresidentObama]

10. I'd rather Obama's honesty about the issue, than Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale" bullshit.

Politicians not admiting mistakes is what we have with George W. Bush.

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Wow, did they overturn the 22nd amendment this afternoon? Bill is running again!!

:woohoo:

[PresidentObama]

25. Did I say he was, smartie? I said Obama telling the truth was better than some in the pasts answer.

Like Bill, which was my example.

And I wish he were running again ;)

[DURHAM D]

9. Sorry - you are wrong.

"hard pressed to find many people from her generation that didn't try drugs or experiment" - It is not at all difficult. I have two siblings and eleven first cousins. Only one of them even tried marijuana - much less anything else. I have more friends that did not try any drugs (including marijuana) then did. On the other hand, everyone drinks. Including me.

[PresidentObama]

12. I'm not wrong. Your cousins not trying drugs isn't the norm.

It's kind of like when people say "I don't know anyone in my family or friends who supports Hillary" and they use it to disprove the case that she's electable. I've seen some DUers make that argument. But that doesn't make it true, huh?

And kudos to them for being drug free. I'm proud to have never tried any drugs myself. But I'm in the minority.

[DURHAM D]

18. I don't know. Just depends on who you

grow up with, who you hang out with, where you are from and perhaps when you were born.

The only reason I had the info about my family was because this past Xmas we had a "cousins" party. None of our still living parents were there so we talked more freely than usual. It was a bit of a surprise to all of us.

[saracat]

13. Depends where they went to school.Trust Hillary and Bill smoked pot.

Everyone in the intellectual centers of the east and west coasts did.Or anyone worth talking too.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Hill and I did some major bong hits in the 90's

The cool thing is that when we got the munchies. She was always whipping up a bad ass mess of mac and cheese.

I still have that recipe.

[mitchtv]

31. She gives good supercharge

if that was her on hippie Hill in '67

[Meldread]

38. LMAO.

I would totally vote for her if she'd actually do something like that. She needs to loosen up.

Seriously, though the OP has a point. Hillary, back in her early days, was a pretty... shall we say... "liberated and rebellious" woman. (I think we would have actually gotten along... not so much now, sadly.) I wouldn't be shocked if she did a little bit of everything, and frankly - I wouldn't care. The only thing that would change my opinion about her is if she lied about it.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. I wish our political campaigns could be more like those in Europe

where the candidate's religion usually isn't a big deal, where their mistresses or sexual practices aren't front page news, and where their alcohol or drug consumption remains their own private affair. And also where the issues are discussed perhaps in too great a depth. I've seen political campaigns on European television and the discussion of every little angle to every issue is carried out beyond exhaustion.

[wyldwolf]

26. the stupidest attack on Hillary this week! LOL!

It goes like this.

Everyone in the 60s did drugs ---> Hillary lived during the 60s ---> Therefore, Hillary did drugs ---> therefore Hillary's hypocrisy is exposed.

Get it?

[PresidentObama]

34. You totally distorted my OP, which seems to be the name of the game for His44 posters like you.

I never said I have the smoking gun that Hillary did drugs, stop lying first of all.

Second of all, I said most in her generation did. I said it would be naive to believe she didn't do drugs or try them, and I stand by that statement. And I said I think it's refreshing that Obama told the truth, and admited mistakes. When we don't talk about our mistakes, we turn into President Bush. When we ignore we've made mistakes, we look like Republicans. Ask Hillary, she STILL won't admit she was wrong for voting for IWR.

All I'm asking is if Hillary said she did drugs, wouldn't it be hypocrisy that you His44 slime throwers were supporting a candidate who isn't holier than thou like you believe is true? And would that mean we can make an issue out of a non-issue like you all did?

[wyldwolf]

41. you're building your entire case on "everyone did drugs in the 60s"

:rofl:

[PresidentObama]

44. No I'm certainly not.

Read, and stop distorting.

Seriously, what does distorting solve?

Nothing!!

[wyldwolf]

46. yes you certainly are

:rofl:

All I'm asking is if Hillary said she did drugs, wouldn't it be hypocrisy that you His44 slime throwers were supporting a candidate who isn't holier than thou like you believe is true? And would that mean we can make an issue out of a non-issue like you all did?

No, sir. Your insinuation is that it is naive to believe she didn't do drugs since "most in her generation" did (which is completely undocumented, by the way.) In other words, you believe Hillary did.

And, of course, I've already told you repeatedly that revelation in the real world would be a legitimate target.

[PresidentObama]

47. If doesn't equal me saying she did, like you suggested.

Do I believe she did? Absolutely.

Do you believe she did? You'd probably lie through your teeth and say no, but probably so.

Did she probably? Probably so!

But I never said she did nor said she didn't.

My OP was meant to make a point, and you totally missed it and apparently have nothing better to do than distort what people say. I just read your "debunking" of ZZ's post from Hillary's lies on MTP, and boy you'd fit in well with Carville and McAwful in the lying and distorting department. Make the Hillaryis44 crowd proud, Mr. Wolf.

[wyldwolf]

50. you're saying people are naive if they don't believe she did.

:shrug:

Sounds like an implication to me.

[MrSlayer]

27. I would like her a little more if she was a stoner.

Potheads are generally good people.

[ileus]

30. Hillary 50 states and a bong....we're going to win this thing.

[goldcanyonaz]

35. Woohoo!

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I don't think she did drugs.

She looks to have been a goody two shoes to me.

[PresidentObama]

36. She look's to be a good two shoes. Wow. And Bush looked like the guy people wanted a beer with.

Instead they got a former alcoholic with no brain cells, and no real leadership qualities.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. No, seriously.

She does. I would say that about anyonw who I feel that probably acted like a goody goody. I was one. I think Bill (Clinton) did drugs...and so did GWBush.

[PresidentObama]

52. Assuming based off looks. Dangerous.

Mitt Romney looks very Presidential. Clean, tall, he speaks like an honest man.

But he still makes me want to vomit.

[Catherine Vincent]

56. I may have said looks but that's not what I meant.

I'm talking about the way they behave.

[PresidentObama]

59. Mike Huckabee behaves like an honest guy, but then he destroys evidence.

Your point?

I'm still saying, you can't assume things based of what you see or think.

The best con artists are in D.C.

Not saying Hillary is, far from it. Warning against claiming people are goody goody or look honest or whatever. That's the kind of bullshit that got us Bush in 2000. Well that and the douche bags who stole the election :(

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Of course you can't base things on what you see or think.

I was just giving my opinion. And since the both of us have never met HRC, we don't know if she did drugs. We can only give our opinions.

[saracat]

68. A goodytwo shoes would never have made the speech she did at Wellesley nor

wood she have had the guts to insult the First black Senator from Mass, Edward Brooke, who was their to speak.Hillary was no goody, goody.

[antiimperialist]

33. If the drug use happened last week, its a problem. If she was a teen=irrelevant

Because if it was last week, and if it's say, cocaine, it means she's probably an addict. And we don't want a drug-addicted president.

[PresidentObama]

37. I agree it's irrelevant. Totally.

The point behind my OP is this is such a non-issue.

Why throw slime on this towards Obama?

We know Hillary PROBABLY experiemented with drugs. I don't know that, you don't know that. But probably.

So she certainly isn't holier than thou, most likely.

And it's total hypocrisy, and the attacks are total bullshit.

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Not everyone cares about his past drug use. I couldn't care less,

[PresidentObama]

40. I certainly don't care either, then why is many Hillary supporters using it as ammo?

Especially if they know truthfully that their candidate probably did drugs at one point, even if it was experimenting. It's bullshit, and hypocrisy.

Why make an issue out of a non-issue?

[stillcool]

43. I heard that she sold...

the pot to Bill that he didn't inhale!

[PresidentObama]

45. Reporter: Is this true, Mrs. Clinton? Hillary: Depends what the definition of is, is.

[stillcool]

55. Her campaign has been passing...

out memo's (some were seen on the internet), that reveal talking points to avert this scandal coming to light...

[lapfog_1]

49. If Hillary grew up in the sixties and DIDN'T experiment with

drugs... I would be very concerned about her. Really, I would... she would have been a very "uptight" person, someone that I would not want for President. Not to mention waaaay of the mainstream.

[saracat]

65. Actually, I agree. Certainly that would mean she had zero creativity and no sense of curiosity!

The 60's and the 70's rocked and she was part of them.

[lapfog_1]

66. Both my older brother and sister did some experimenting

because they told me about it.

And they were both about as straight laced (we're from the Midwest) as you get, without being all fundy or something. Normal people.

And they inhaled. More than once.

I'm betting that both Hillary and Bill did too.

I missed the sixties... I was quite a bit younger.

[saracat]

67. I grew up in the 70's and if you didn't "experiment" you weren't worth knowing.

That may sound overblown but all the "protesters' and the "thinking" "questioning" kids at least "tried" something. And I think Hillary and Bill, like almost all out last batch of candidates admitted, were also part of that culture.John Kerry and John Edwards both admitted they smoked dope.So what? Some of these posters are just unreal!

[lapfog_1]

70. I've been on DU for nearly four years

and in that time I only EVER have 1 person on my ignore list. Since I got involved with the NV Union / voter suppression threads from last night, I've added 14 more.

I mean, if these people are so blind that they can't see that this was a calculated campaign tactic to suppress the vote of POSSIBLE non-Hillary supporters (because only the Union leadership issued the endorsement)... well, I'm simply at a loss for words.

However, you would be AMAZED at how much of the anti-Obama / pro Hillary traffic was produced by these 14 or so individuals. Really, the amount of postings either spinning for Hillary or attacking Obama (who I do not support yet) is just astounding.

[CyberPieHole]

54. I suppose if the fact that Obama was a COCAINE snorter makes you proud of him...

You should be proud of Senator Clinton IF she snorted coke too. Senator Clinton Didn't snort cocaine. Obama did. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I don't believe that illegal drug use should be lauded...I know Obama doesn't have much experience to rely on...but pointing out his drug "experience" was a tad naive of him.

[stillcool]

57. Hell yes...

it means they were actually alive, when they said they were. Otherwise, where would they come from, Mars?

[PresidentObama]

58. Distorting, it's what you HRC supporters do best. I'm proud of his honesty.

Proud that he admited mistakes from his youth.

Proud he can admit mistakes, unlike Hillary and the IWR vote.

And how do you know specifically what Senator Clinton did and didn't do in her youth?

[CyberPieHole]

61. If she had, we would know it by now...Obama's cronies have been busy digging up dirt...

Do you think, that Obama's campaign would not put that information out there? Who's the naive one now? Obama admitted to COCAINE SNORTING, you think it's all fine. I disagree. I don't think it's fine at all. Let the voters find out about it and decide. I am sure that the American public will be very understanding about his drug habit. What are you afraid of? That voters may think less of him if they know about his drug use?:shrug:

[Bishop Rook]

72. You know what? A lot of good Americans have done drugs

And criticizing someone who once had a drug problem, overcame it, admitted it, and now uses it as an example for others not to make the same mistake... That's low. Damn low.

[Hello_Kitty]

73. Thanks Mr. Garrison! n/t

[mtnsnake]

62. This coming from the flipflopper who said if Edwards didnt do well in Iowa he was supporting Hillary

just a little over a week ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3935869

That didn't take long!!

:rofl:

[PresidentObama]

78. Well guess what, Edwards did do well in Iowa. So that's not flip-flopping. Man, you're smart. Ha.

Didn't you like Senator Obama before you hated him?

Flip.

Flop.

[wiley]

71. You also sound like a Freeper or Troll.

"Hell, ever since the 60"s"... You weren't there unless you're a 50 year old college student. Go away

[Beacool]

75. I frankly couldn't care less who smoked pot in their teenage years.

Having said that, I don't think that Hillary experimented with drugs. She never even smoked cigarettes and despises smoking so much that she banned it from the WH while living there.

I also remember reading one of the many letters that she wrote while in Wellesley to the friend who handed them to the NY Times last year. In one of these letters she mentioned the serious talk that she had with one of her friends because she was doing drugs (I don't recall if she specified which ones).

It also doesn't seem like she slept around since in another letter she mentions that she had a talk with another girl who had broken her curfew by staying overnight at her boyfriend's place.

She appears to have been pretty conservative in her personal life, what they used to call "square".

[MethuenProgressive]

76. Can they use Johnny's dye-job and plastic surgery against him?

With all the money he spends, his hair could at least be the same color as other humans.





:hi:

[PresidentObama]

79. Still attacking Democrats, I see.