"Latinos had no problem voting for me In Illinois".....

[FrenchieCat]

I just thought that was a great comeback from Obama in the debates..considering that as far has Hillary was concerned, it was just an historical "fact"...that I guess urgently needed to be announced to reporters.

[Califooyah Operative]

1. He got one of the loudest applauses of the night with that line, nt

[AtomicKitten]

2. Her lobbyist afterwards was arguing that "historical fact" when that was hardly the point, was it?

The Clinton campaign's manipulative campaign machinations put Karl Rove to shame.

[FrenchieCat]

3. I'm not surprised!

Since Barack cocaine use was mentioned at least two or three times during the debates....guess Mission Accomplished, hey?

[AtomicKitten]

4. KO seems to think the Clinton campaign isn't done with their vile BS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jPTcWMUJs

[FrenchieCat]

5. I'm afraid to look!

:scared:

[Kahuna]

6. You should be. Ugh.

:scared:

[FrenchieCat]

11. Is it the pollster who said Brown people don't like Black people?

and that this is an "Historical" fact?

They have oppressed each other since way back in the day? :sarcasm:

[indimuse]

7. Maybe...this had somthing to do with it...just wondering???

In 1996 and 2004 Obama did not have strong opponents looking for ammunition.
In 1996 he was the only name on the ballot!--:wtf:-- he had wiped everyone else off the ballot by challenging their petitions :wtf:(inluding Alice Palmer, who had helped him get in the race).

In 2004 his opponents (primary and Nov) had "imploded when their messy divorce files were unsealed."*


"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what:spank:

honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

In a recent interview, Obama granted that "there's a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn't create barriers to people getting on the ballot."

But the unsparing legal tactics were justified, he said, by obvious flaws in his opponents' signature sheets. "To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had

been set up," Obama recalled.

"Now, promoting himself as a fresh face on the national political stage, proclaiming his distance from lobbyists and the Washington culture of special interests, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has to contend with his own history. .:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:.. From Chicago to Springfield, his past is filled with decidedly old-school political tactics -- a history of befriending powerful local elders, assisting benefactors and special interests, and neutralizing rivals."—Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times, September 8, 2007.<2>
In 1996, his first campaign for the Illinois Senate, "Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer. ... A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career::grr::grr::grr: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."—David Jackson and Ray Long, Chicago Tribune, January 3, 2007.<3>



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obam...

[FrenchieCat]

8. If I recall......Obama's challenges showed up Chicago politics for what it was.....

because the signature were found to be unacceptable.

Obama wasn't the one who made that determination.

Guess working for Project Vote and increasing voter rolls by an unheard before amount in 1992 taught him a thing or two in detecting electionaring fraud when he saw it!



Vote of Confidence
A huge black turnout in November 1992 altered Chicago's electoral landscape—and raised a new political star: a 31-year-old lawyer named Barack Obama.

In the final, climactic buildup to November's general election, with George Bush gaining ground on Bill Clinton in Illinois and the once-unstoppable campaign of senatorial candidate Carol Moseley Braun embroiled in allegations about her mother's Medicare liability, one of the most important local stories managed to go virtually unreported: The number of new voter registrations before the election hit an all-time high. And the majority of those new voters were black. More than 150,000 new African-American voters were added to the city's rolls. In fact, for the first time in Chicago's history-including the heyday of Harold Washington-voter registrations in the 19 predominantly black wards outnumbered those in the city's 19 predominantly white ethnic wards, 676,000 to 526,000.

None of this, of course, was accidental. The most effective minority voter registration drive in memory was the result of careful handiwork by Project Vote!, the local chapter of a not-for-profit national organization.

"It was the most efficient campaign I have seen in my 20 years in politics," says Sam Burrell, alderman of the West Side's 29th Ward and a veteran of many registration drives.

At the head of this effort was a little-known 31-year-old African-American lawyer, community organizer, and writer: Barack Obama.

To understand the full implications of Obama's effort, you first need to understand how voter registration often has worked in Chicago. The Regular Democratic Party spearheaded most drives, doing so using one primary motivator: money. The party would offer bounties to registrars for every new voter they signed up (typically a dollar per registration).

The campaigns did produce new voters. "But bounty systems don't really promote participation," says David Orr, the Cook County clerk, whose office is responsible for voter registration efforts in the Cook County suburbs. "When the money dries up, the voters drop out." Nor did the Democratic Party always vigorously push registration among minorities, Orr says. "It's not that they discouraged it. They just never worked hard to ensure it would happen."
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

[indimuse]

9. the point I was making...

is...He was the ONLY one on the ballot! Thus...inevitable win...

[FrenchieCat]

10. And my point was that he was there legit.....

and that his work in getting voters to the polls speaks larger volumes than the smear piece you posted dealing with politicos who where doing business as usual style politics. Obama challenged them and won. I think that was admirable.

[indimuse]

12. ((((((I find this QUITE curious???)))) Don't you!

((((((I find this QUITE curious???)))) Don't you! And I BET not everyone would agree withyou opinion!


Obama knows his way around a ballot
Some say his ability to play political hardball goes back to his first campaign
By David Jackson and Ray Long | Tribune staff reporters
6:48 PM CDT, April 3, 2007

The day after New Year's 1996, (((operatives))) for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer , the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's (((((four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.)))))

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and ((((((((((head of a voter registration project that Expanded ACCESS to the BALLOT BOX,))))))))))))))))) Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights

[Nailzberg]

18. 2004 he did have tough opponents looking for ammo

Third most expensive Senate race ever, I believe. (After Clinton and Corzine) Obama spent 4.5M in the primary. His two main rivals both outspent him.

There were three candidates backed by powers of Chicago political machine, and they were doing heavy oppo research on Obama - just coming up short. Anyone who paid attention to that race is reading the oppo being put out against Obama now, and getting a sense of deja vu.

[flasoapbox]

13. I'm not for Obama...

...but that was a great comeback.

[rinsd]

14. Yes running unopposed and vs Keyes was a tough battle for the Latino vote.

:rofl:

[Nailzberg]

17. Running against Gery Chico in the primary was a battle for Latino votes.

Obama beat him in the hispanic wards.

[Thrill]

15. I think he scored points with Hispanics with that line too

[Barack_America]

16. ...and they'll vote for you in Nevada too! n/t

[Jai4WKC08]

20. We'll know tomorrow, won't we?

Not much point in arguing about it now.

[NJObamaWoman]

19. Not only that but I think HRC's drop in support from Blacks is due

to her pollster. He offended me and so many others that I know by saying basically the black vote doesn't matter anymore because the Latinos are here. That the Latinos care more for whites than they do blacks. Yeah like thats going to inspire me or any undecided black person to vote for HRC.


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