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motorcity Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:57 AM
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I live in Michigan. I went to a Lieberman/McCain rally. I voted in our primary.
I see a lot of non-Michiganders weighing on the MI results, so I thought I would give you my perspective. I have lived around the Detroit area my entire life, and currently live in Washtenaw County. Most of my family and friends reside in south east Michigan.

Over the weeks, I have seen lots of Ron Paul signs and bumper stickers, a Ron Paul campaign office on Main Street in Ann Arbor, a few Romney bumper stickers and that is it in regards to this primary. No Hillary signs. No Obama signs. No uncommitted signs.

I know a couple of Hillary supporters, but everyone else prefers Obama and/or Edwards. In fact, I would say everyone I know could probably be divided into Hillary and non-Hillary supporters. The people who support Edwards prefer Obama over Hillary, the people who support Obama prefer Edwards over Hillary.

A few weeks ago it became very clear that all of the Obama/Edwards supporters were very, very confused about how to vote in this primary. Some people thought write-ins were valid, some people got robocalls telling them that there was no Democratic primary to vote in, people were debating whether they should vote in the Republican primary, I saw an article with my own eyes that claimed that MI was a closed primary, etc. There was lots of disinformation.

Everyone knew that Hillary was on the ballot, so her supporters were pretty relaxed about the whole thing. It was the Obama and Edwards supporters who didn't know what to do. I know that the posters on this site have a good idea of what is going on politically, but you guys are way outside the norm. I know the good information was out there somewhere, but never underestimate the power of "aunt Sally heard that..." My mom sent me a picture of a ballot that had the candidates and "write in" as an option and said "See? You CAN write in!"

In the end, thanks in part to this website, my Hillary supporting friends voted for Hillary like they knew they would, some of the Edwards and Obama supporters voted uncommitted, many stayed home, and some voted for McCain (don't ask). In the middle of a bunch of Ron Paul signs, there was a lone uncommitted sign outside the polling place, but no real explanation as to why anyone should vote uncommitted. An Obama supporter screwed up her ballot while I was at the polling place, but I never heard the outcome.

I was pretty amazed that uncommitted got 40% of the vote, and I live in one of the few counties that uncommitted won. Anyone who claims there was some massive movement for uncommitted must live in a different part of Michigan than my friends and family, None of us saw it. I did see my governor tell Wolf Blitzer that everyone should vote for Hillary Clinton.

And now my Lieberman experience. I went to a Lieberman/ SOS Cox rally for McCain in downtown Ann Arbor, the day before the election. 150 people there. Every shade of white imaginable. It was pretty uneventful except for a few things. It was very close to the student area, and the college Republicans had some ties in with the event, but maybe 15% of the audience were students. The main thrust of the rally was that McCain would reach across the isle, work with Democrats, unite the country, yadda yadda yadda. People on this site often complain that only Democratic candidates talk about reaching across the aisle, but that was absolutely not the case at this rally. There was even some criticisms of the "far right." No mention of Bush, a few mentions of Hillary Clinton, and not a lot of talk about the war.

If McCain is the nominee, our candidate better be able to really appeal to independents. If this rally is any representation, that is the group McCain is going for.

I don't expect to post here a lot, but I do come here for news. Thanks for the information about the Michigan primary. This site is more helpful than some of you probably realize.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:00 PM
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1. Welcome to DU and thanks for your perspective on the vote
in MI :hi:.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:02 PM
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2. Thanks for taking the time to share what was going on, and welcome! nt
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:06 PM
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3. "Uncommitted" didn't win in "a few" counties.
Where do you live?

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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:09 PM
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5. First paragraph: Washtenaw County.
Re: "Where do you live?"
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:19 PM
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8. Duh. Thanks.
I only saw 2 counties (in yours, uncommitted beat Clinton by 8 votes; and in
Emmet County, where uncommitted won by 48 votes).

Sorry.

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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:25 PM
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12. Not my county. Clinton won my county,
Middle of state - named Clinton County. Mittens took the Repub.
You're welcome.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:00 PM
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19. According to bston.com, "Uncommitted" won your county.
LINK

Washtenaw Clinton: 12,284 Uncommitted: 12,992

Is this result wrong?

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:07 PM
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22. Uncommitted won Washtenaw.
And I didn't see a single piece of material supporting uncommitted. It may exist, but it was well under the radar.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:07 PM
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4. Welcome and thank you for the info.
An inside perspective is always great. Peace, Kim
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:14 PM
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6. I am from Michigan too...
As a result of the DNC disenfranchisement, I nor my wife voted yesterday. We both feel betrayed and will not support the DLC candidate.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:09 PM
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27. I hear you about DNC. I hope you (we) get over it
If enough folks stay pissed off through November, MI may vote "red".

I voted "uncommitted" in the primary. I was pretty pissed to see Clinton do a victory dance, as if she ran a race here. But no matter who's nominated, I'll vote Dem in Nov. Better Clinton than McCain. And if that sounds half-hearted, well, yeah, it is.

Hang in there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:16 PM
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7. "If McCain is the nominee, our candidate better be able to really appeal to independents."
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:16 PM by Kristi1696
And, again, I'd like to remind everyone that Hillary LOST the Independent vote to "Uncommitted" (37%-51%)

Welcome fellow Michigander and thanks for the analysis! I've been at school a lot the past several years, but I'm not surprised to hear that the anti-Hillary sentiment is as strong as I remember. I'm from Oakland County (did you see that she only won 52% in Oakland County (aka L. Brooks Patterson land)--that's not good)

Source:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=MIDEM

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:20 PM
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9. I live in western Wayne county.
Every local news channel, both major newspapers and all the talk radio stations,including all of the stations geared toward African Americans were very good at explaining to voters that uncommitted is the way to vote if your candidate of choice was not on the ballot.The feeling I got from most of the Dems who would not bother voting was anger at being left out of the primaries.
I will agree with you about the weird absence of political signage though.Especially since the republicans were holding a real primary.I think a lot of them are just embarrassed to be republican in public.Ha!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:20 PM
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10. Thank you for the report
And welcome to DU :hi:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:24 PM
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11. We left Michigan* a year ago, right when the tumbleweed started blowing through town.
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:27 PM by goldcanyonaz
Times are so touch there, and jobs are getting more and more scarce. Michigan for me, was one of the only states that mattered this election cycle.

Welcome to DU, and thank you for your well thought out post.

*Oakland County area is where we lived and still own property there. Our property, a few years ago would have brought in almost a million dollars, we just had an offer a few months ago for $225 k.


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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:26 PM
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13. Welcome to DU, Motorcity!
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:28 PM
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14. Too bad you won't be posting much
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:31 PM by zidzi
cause I like the way you write. Thanks for giving us a more intimate detailed account of what's goin' on in the Motor City.

lieman was with mccain, eh? From observing mccain all these years I don't think mccain is going to be reaching across any aisles for compromise.
mccain is being devious about not mentioning the war to students because that's all he and lieman are about.

This site is very helpful..thanks again, motorcity, and Welcome to DU.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:36 PM
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15. Thanks for your report, motorcity, and welcome to DU!
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:46 PM
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16. If they nominate McCain, I believe he can even beat Obama, but I am quite
sure he can beat Hillary. I think that Edwards is the only one that can certainly smash any of the Republican candidates by wide enough margins to protect us against election theft.

The national polls support that theory, since it has Edwards beating all of them by much wider margins than either Obama or Hillary. The polls show Hillary losing to McCain and Romney and quite possibly Huckabee. Obama loses to McCain or wins by such a slim margin that it can be easily stolen. Edwards beats them all.

That is almost certainly why the corporate media is trying to make this a 2-person race on our side--because they know that if Edwards gets the nomination, we will destroy the Republican candidate, and if becomes president, he will go after the huge media conglomerates, which Obama and Hillary probably won't do. (If Murdoch thought for an instant that Hillary would, he would not be cozying up to Hillary the way he has been doing.)

I also think Edwards is the only one who could win even if Bloomberg runs an independent campaign for president.

I doubt Edwards will get nominated, but I desperately hope that he will. I will be donating tomorrow to the $7 million campaign--if only to help him get a smidgen of the media exposure he obviously deserves!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:47 PM
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17. I'm also in Washtenaw, and that sounds like a fair characterization
BTW, welcome to the DU

:hi:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:55 PM
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18. A lot of posts
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 PM by PATRICK
about the uncommitted vote missed the main point that the ballots made that difficult to understand since most people go in thinking they can write in a name or vote for their candidate anyway. A lady phoned Tom Hartmann with exactly that problem saying she botched her absentee ballot and had to send for another. No
one had given advice on how to vote uncommitted. So much for "organized" opposition to the symbolic Hillary vote. An example here or there localized counts for nothing. If it was organized everyone, not just in Michigan would know how the campaigns were blowing their money, even for the mischief against the GOP. The GOP has the money and the people contacts for crap like that, not us very much.

We should elicit and very much appreciate real local reporting such as the above. As good as our guesses might be this is far superior and more relevant than the fictional brouhaha everyone jumps to that can't help but get delusional on one side or both.

On edit: Accidentally, this was my 10,000th post. A lot of posts but not as much as others here. I had meant to make it a grand statement instead of blind irony. Oh well.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:06 PM
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20. I came home last night to a recording by JOmentum endorsing...
McCain on my answering machine--creepy. McCain needs to thread a needle with a very small hole being pro Iraq war and pro immigration--I think that is about ten percent of the country.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:51 PM
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21. I live in MIchigan as well, and your experience is a lot like mine
Supporters of Hillary Inc. are claiming that there was some sort of uncommitted movement, and I saw no evidence of it. NOTHING.
I didn't even see an uncommitted sign at my polling place.
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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:28 PM
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23. There is a thread that contradicts what you are saying.
Have you seen it?
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:19 PM
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24. Care to be more specific?
I'd like to see it.
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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:39 PM
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25. This:
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:20 PM
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26. Thanks. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:37 PM
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28. Kick...n/t
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