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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:28 PM
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Clinton's Position on Outsourcing Draws Political Uproar from Super Tuesday Democrats
A new study released by Brown-Wilson Group, international outsourcing analysts and authors of the business bestseller "The Black Book of Outsourcing", reports that the looming recession is pushing voters to understand the candidate's strategies for improving the US economy, as over 80% of voters admit not knowing the candidates' positions on offshore outsourcing and more than half of American voters don't understand the outsourcing issue.

(PRWEB) January 16, 2008 -- Before the signs of a looming recession last month, barely a quarter(23.0%) of combined Republican, Democrat and Independent voters revealed that offshore outsourcing would be a key decision factor in selecting their 2008 presidential candidate. This week, 90.9% indicate that a weakened US economy is a major concern and offshore outsourcing may be a chief contributor. With Super Tuesday showdowns in big states of high unemployment and foreclosures approaching, Clinton's relations with offshore firms are again coming under fire by Obama and Edwards camps.

"Until this week, offshore outsourcing hasn't been the emotional vote-motivator like it was in 2004",said Doug Brown, managing partner of Brown-Wilson Group and co-author of "The Black Book of Outsourcing" (Wiley Publishers). On average, 7.6% of all US voters reported knowing some one who was affected by job loss or decreased business due to offshoring in the last three years. Brown reported that in the Super Tuesday states, more than 45% of voters say they have been negatively affected by offshoing personally.

The survey that garnered responses from over 5,000 registered voters in all fifty states from January 2-14 via web and telephone surveys indicates that Romney and McCain are the top Republican supporters of offshore outsourcing by record. Democrats Clinton, Obama and Edwards acknowledge the reality of offshoring in addresses but only Edwards and Obama have strong public statements or voting records that indicate cautious opposition to offshore outsourcing.

Of the 3,000 Democrats, more than half (55%) of voters see offshore outsourcing as unpatriotic, a significant decrease from October 2004 when 93.9% of voting Democrats felt offshoring was anti-American. In the Super Tuesday collection of states, 84% of Democrats believe offshore outsourcing is unpatriotic. Less than 7.9% of Republicans viewed offshoring as unpatriotic in 2004 and 6.5% in 2008.

In 47 of 50 states, more than half of all registered voters in each state incorrectly assumed that the US President could unilaterally ban offshore outsourcing. Among Democrat voters in Super Tuesday states, the percentage dramatically increases to over 85%. This group also confirmed they allow this misconception to guide their candidate selection.

The study identifies nearly three-quarters (76.4% percent) of respondents could not accurately define the difference between outsourcing and offshoring, even with a small selection of definitions to choose from.

"Outsourcing is a reality for US companies to reach their business and financial goals and critical in today's fiscal climate. It's been four years since the heavy negative rhetoric of the presidential election used outsourcing and offshoring interchangeably, and made 'outsourcing' a dirty word. We're seeing a reduced stigma with offshore outsourcing, but voters still aren't separating the economic and emotional differences between outsourcing functions to US service providers and sending low level jobs to cheaper offshore countries like India and China", added Brown.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/1/prweb623851.htm

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:32 PM
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1. It's high time people called Hillary on outsourcing and support for H1-b visa increase
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:33 PM by antigop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:37 PM
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2. Here's Another One.....Thanks.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:58 PM
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12. S.2611 - Hillary and Obama both voted "yea"
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:09 PM
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15. Edwards wasn't in the Senate in 2006. n/t
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 01:13 PM by antigop
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:18 PM
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23. Which is why his vote wasn't listed.
Wow you catch on fast!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:27 PM
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35. Those videos really are worrisome now, aren't they? n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:29 PM
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39. You are a trip!
Why would I be worried about Lou Dobbs videos on DU?



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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:33 PM
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43. I'm sure you can answer that question, now, can't you? n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:47 PM
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45. I know what you think the answer is.
I just find your assessment of DU's reach and influence to be off by quite a bit.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:00 PM
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47. So now you can read minds? Too funny! Hey, be sure to watch those videos! n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:36 PM
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44. Because HRC
Appeared on "his" show to let voters know where she stands? :shrug:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:39 PM
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3. LOL polls shows Obama & Edwards are capitalizing on misinformation!
In 47 of 50 states, more than half of all registered voters in each state incorrectly assumed that the US President could unilaterally ban offshore outsourcing. Among Democrat voters in Super Tuesday states, the percentage dramatically increases to over 85%. This group also confirmed they allow this misconception to guide their candidate selection.

The study identifies nearly three-quarters (76.4% percent) of respondents could not accurately define the difference between outsourcing and offshoring, even with a small selection of definitions to choose from.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:40 PM
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4. Thanks for the kick and the reply...now people can see Hillary's positions. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:42 PM
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:43 PM
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7. You kicked the thread and you replied to the thread. THANK YOU! n/t
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:13 PM
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51. lol1!!!
:rofl:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:41 PM
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5. EVERYBODY WATCH THESE VIDEOS...Hillary on outsourcing/h1-b issue
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:42 PM by antigop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:43 PM
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8. ......
Hillary Clinton Pushes For More H1B Visas and OutSourcing

Right from her lips.....
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:45 PM
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9. Exactly! Thank you OhioChick! n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:49 PM
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10. I Found ONE Issue that HRC is CRYSTAL CLEAR on.
About time.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:51 PM
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11. Absolutely! K&R n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:59 PM
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13. But Obama in 06 voted for S2611 (as did Hillary - and as did Edwards in 2000 on similar bill)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:11 PM
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16. You need to read the link in #2 above n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:13 PM
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18. Same blog says Obama is full of it on change!
We hear much about change these days with Oprah buzzing around Barak Obama casting the magic star power spell. But my question is do you really want star power Oprah Winfrey endorsed with slick campaign ads or do you want policy that is truly going to change America and finally stand up for our real interests?

Could it be behind Obama’s change campaign it’s actually more of the same? A black hole of economic despair behind the shiny lights?

Let’s look at his voting record. On trade he missed the Peru Trade vote but said he would support it. Obama also voted for the Oman Free Trade agreement.

On guest worker Visas, Obama voted for massive increases with no reforms. This bill alone would have decimated professional careers and the middle class.

In responding to a constituent, Obama literally accuses this person who has lost their career to labor arbitrage of blaming immigrants:

"Blaming H1-B visas will not help us rise to meet these challenges….Immigrants with H1-B visas are not the cause of the squeeze on middle class families"

http://blog.noslaves.com/is-obama-for-change-or-just-more-of-the-same/

:rofl:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:16 PM
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21. Nice try. and thanks for the kick...more people can watch those videos of HIllary. n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:17 PM
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22. So a source you referenced is untrustworthy!
:rofl:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:19 PM
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24. Thanks for the kick. HAHAHA!! WATCH THE VIDEOS! n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 PM
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29. Yes I replied.
I do find it amusing that you think having DUers see Lob Dobbs videos will have some type of impact or that this information is somehow censored.

Even more amusing that you discount sources you references that go after non Hillary candidates.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 PM
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26. And it's "untrustworthy" .....because YOU say so. LOL! HAHAHA! n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:27 PM
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36. You're the one who brushed it aside.
BTW, LOL stands for "Laugh Out Loud" so the ha's are redundant.

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:29 PM
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38. Nope, not redundant. Just way too funny. I guess those videos are worrisome, huh? n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:00 PM
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48. thanks for the heads up - the no available Americans is part of current law but not enforced
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:14 PM
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19. You overlook that the president is in a position to ritually shame offshorers as unpatriotic.
Don't underestimate that power.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:19 PM
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25. Obama won't do that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:30 PM
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Wow... the stuff in that blog is pretty bad. (nt)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 PM
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33. Good Point. n/t
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:07 PM
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14. This is the main reason that she won't get my vote. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:12 PM
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17. One of many reasons I won't vote for her.... n/t
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 PM
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27. Main reason for me....
Lose my job and not be able to take care of my family? Sorry, don't have the time/money to take a few community courses like this admin suggests. What kind of job can I get, what's left out there? Voting for her would be like shooting myself in the foot. No thanks, hillary.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:21 PM
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28. Exactly, ChromeFoundry. Voting for her is shooting myself in the foot, too....
None of the tech workers I have spoken to will vote for her.

NONE of them.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 PM
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30. I'm in the Same IT Boat as the Both of You.....
No one at work is a HRC supporter.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 PM
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32. I haven't found one tech worker who will vote for her. NOT ONE! n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:32 PM
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42. Actually, Since You Brought That Up.....
I have a friend from my old company that I keep in touch with. The only Repub that I know in this field. He intends on voting "for" HRC, (primary) as he feels that she'll be the easiest for the Repubs to beat out of all the Dem candidates.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:15 PM
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54. Same here n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:15 PM
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20. This is actually the one thing that put Obama over Clinton for me. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 PM
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31. 7 RECS! WHOOHOO!! WATCH THE VIDEOS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:26 PM
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34. OhioChick-- great thread. Thanks...they must be concerned if they are replying, eh? n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:29 PM
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37. I Only Want Voters to be Well Informed.....
Some of our lives and well-being depend on it.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:30 PM
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40. Absolutely. People need to know. Jobs and livelihoods depend upon it.
And I have seen way too many lives destroyed because of it.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:32 PM
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41. reposting links to videos -- BE SURE TO WATCH THESE FOLKS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:52 PM
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46. Kicking, recommending and bookmarking.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:10 PM
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49.  Hillary and India lots OF MONEY and a building named for her
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 03:13 PM by caligirl
Yesterday I posted an article about Applied Materials lay offs of 1000 jobs. It is a fraction of the size it once was. Much of it due to outsourcing and a decline in chip demand. With the solar business picking up for them I worry that outsourcing will again be the answer for them. They aren't alone in this here in the Sili Valley.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/ITeS/Hillary_Clinton_walking_fine_line_on_outsourcing/articleshow/msid-2350807,curpg-2.cm
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:09 PM
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50. Ever Notice How
US Workers have to find out about American companies outsourcing through Indian media outlets?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:14 PM
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52. Rec'd, bookmarking ..so people
can see the videos. :)
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:33 PM
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53. K&R nt
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:24 PM
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55. kicked n/t
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