January 17 is 10-year anniversary of the explosive Monica Lewinsky scandal

[zulchzulu]

Poll question: January 17 is 10-year anniversary of the explosive Monica Lewinsky scandal

On the evening of Saturday January 17, 1998, the internet gossip merchant Matt Drudge posted
a story that opened the most sensational scandal season in the history of the American presidency.
He reported that Newsweek magazine had killed a story about President Clinton’s sexual
relationship with a former intern. The next day he had her name: Monica Lewinsky.

Since Bill Clinton seems intent on destroying Barack Obama's candidacy, should his or other candidate
surrogates bring up the anniversary that some find a stain on the American Presidency?

[Ken Burch]

1. If it does get brought up, Tim Russert should be required to wear the stained blue dress

while asking inappropriate questions about it.

...just sayin'.

[rinsd]

24. !!!

:spray:

[End Of The Road]

61. You deserve a DUzy nomination!!

[GalleryGod]

66. Old Pumpkin Head? Needs to go to Lane Bryant to get that dress.

"Hillary, I can't believe the size of Russert's waistline"
"It's such a shame...he used to be so svelte...like in 1979 !":rofl:

[Radical Activist]

2. most sensational scandal?

Not by far. Try watergate, teapot dome. This was small time when you subtract the media hype.

[William769]

3. And what was Bill Clinton's approval rating when He left office?

Heres a Hint there is only two other Presidents in our history that rivals it.

[ShortnFiery]

100. Yes, but it's 2008 and the economy's tanking ... Bill's new pissy mood isn't "wowing" many either.

But in some ways, you're right - we were all "taken for a ride." and now the chickens have come home to roost ... I sometimes "wish that I didn't know now, what I didn't know then." :(

[jonnyblitz]

4. Who cares about Bill, he isn't the one running for president.

you Obama groupies are fucking LAME.

[mrdemocrat78]

13. Seriously....jonnyblitz

That's all I'm saying... Seriously?

[zulchzulu]

14. Some may find that Bill is indeed trying to run as co-President

Why is he out talking about Hillary and her experience and why do we get the notion that we get both of them if she is the President?

:shrug:

[GalleryGod]

52. Boy is HE in for a shock !

Sen. Clinton gets her shot at the Big Chair, fair & square...Bill(hopefully) gets to pick the menus for State Dinners...and the musical entertainment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Some Of Them Are Cult Like

It's almost like a cult... They remind me of the cult whose members literally cut their own nuts off...

[durrrty libby]

29. Ooooh. They should definitely give that nut-chopping thing a go.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Heaven's Gate-Have We Forgotten Them?

The structure of Heaven's Gate resembled that of a medieval monastic order. Group members gave up their material possessions and lived a highly ascetic life devoid of many indulgences. The group was tightly knit and everything was shared communally. Six of the male members of the group voluntarily underwent castration as an extreme means of maintaining the ascetic lifestyle.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)

[GalleryGod]

72. OOOOOOooo I just scraped-by Religion 101. But...here's Huckabee's Precinct Captains:

[zulchzulu]

34. Ignore history at your peril

I love the abject anger at something that actually happened. Yes, it's embarrassing. Yes, we all have to watch it. Yes, it disappointed many of us who trusted Clinton. Yes, it distracted us from getting what we needed to get done.

Should an Obama surrogate or an Edwards surrogate mention it like the Clinton surrogates have done mentioning shit about Obama that had far, far less repercussions to the Democratic Party at large?

No. Obama and Edwards surrogates have a lot more class than ham-headed Clinton surrogates.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Agree

I hope Senator Obama mentions...We're on the same team...

[sufrommich]

35. I expect we'll see a Vince Foster anniversery thread at the

appropriate time.

[GalleryGod]

30. It's Old News,Jonny. But I'm not LAME.

Just supporting Obama. Over & Out.
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*Peter Arnett photo

[Cha]

75. Then you're fucking lame..cause

what's his ass isn't running but he's out there throwing insults at Obama like he was fucking pure as gandhi.

[dugggy]

101. But Bill will be living in the WH where the young interns roam

so it is an issue Obama needs to bring out.

[zulchzulu]

112. It makes you wonder why Bill wants to return to the White House so badly

[wyldwolf]

5. working with Sean Hannity again, I see.

[zulchzulu]

16. Ignoring an obvious Achilles Heel again, I see

It's a fact. Did it not happen?

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

40. How can I ignore something Rightwing nut jobs (and some Obama supporters) harp on constantly?

[zulchzulu]

54. Your anger about Clinton's past is very revealing

I mentioned that the issue is about surrogates for any of the other candidates bringing up the anniversary as an issue.

Bill Clinton DID have a relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Correct? Bill Clinton DID lie about the relationship. Correct? Bill Clinton is attacking Obama with distortions and lies.

Should surrogates slam back at him just to see what he would do, which would in all probability be "news"? We'll see.

The funny thing is that you are perfectly comfortable with Hillary surrogates bringing up Obama's admitted drug use, the questions about his "Muslim" background, the distortions on his stated opinions on the Iraq War and even what video was taken down off a campaign web site five years ago.

But if even the obvious history that Bill Clinton has with his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and it being the ten year anniversary, it's to be framed as something Hannity would do. The problem is Bill Clinton. The problem with Hillary's campaign is that she has him on the trail as a surrogate trashing other candidates and wanting a free pass on an obvious Achilles Heel issue that people don't want to have to walk through again.

I think Obama and Edwards surrogates are a lot classier than Hillary surrogates, so you can rest assured that the Monica story will only be an issue for the Republicans to exploit if she gets the nomination...which she won't.

[wyldwolf]

56. your obsession with right wing talking points is very revealing

[GalleryGod]

44. OLD NEWS.

Just like Ms. Harris !

[redqueen]

6. Wow.

[GalleryGod]

58. Not to worry,RQ. JAFO

:rofl:


Skipper Dennis Conner, a REAL helmsman.

[redqueen]

67. JAFO?

What's that mean?

I can't wait till the primaries are over. :)

[shaniqua6392]

7. That would completely backfire on Barack.

Despite what happened back then, Bill Clinton still has high approval ratings. His approval rating was higher at the height of this "so called" scandal than Bush's are now. Many people really like Bill and thought that he was railroaded for something that was between a man and his wife. Barack would look completely weak and vindictive. This is political competition and they are all out to destroy each other to a certain extent. I think we should lighten up on all of our Dems.

[The Magistrate]

8. If Sen. Obama Did So, Sir, It Would Be Evidence Of A Death Wish

No surer means to rally angry support for Sen. Clinton among registered Democrats, the kind who dominate in primary elections. could be contrived.

[zulchzulu]

19. You know how surrogates say what candidates dare not mention

Look at the way the Clinton surrogates bring up "issues" that Hillary would never mention.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I Think You Should Go Out And Give Or Get A Blow Job To Commemorate It

~

[The Magistrate]

And How Much Distance Does It Seem To Actually Provide, Sir?

"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"

[zulchzulu]

64. Is Bill Clinton King Henry? Is Obama Thomas Becket?

:rofl:

[GalleryGod]

73. Lemme see now ...

[GalleryGod]

45. Must AGREE 110%. OLD,OLD,News !

[The Magistrate]

48. Excellent Graphic, Sir

As the song says: "If ya don't start drinking, I'm gonna leave!"

[GalleryGod]

55. Thanks,TM..we got to lighten up on the PAST indiscretions of spouses.

She deserves her shot at the "Big Chair" fair & square..if she brings home the bacon.

Bush Foreign Policy-"adrift" as usual.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. It's part of Clinton's legacy, but only becaue he lied about it.

Had Clinton looked the reporters in the eye and said "None of your business" and left it at that, instead if saying he didn't have sexual relations with her, it'd have blown over.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. I doubt it. Not with the well funded Arkansas Project going on. And is a 'blow job' the same as

sexual relations?

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Yes, it probably is.

Since a blow job is generally sexual.

But he could've just kept telling them to buzz off, instead of LYING about it. The LYING part is what pisses many Republicans off, not the whole sexual part.

But I don't fault him, I guess. You've seen Lewinsky, no man alive would admit to doing anything with that. ;)

[Thothmes]

114. In my opinion

I agree with you. If he would have stood up and said " Yes I got a BJ from Ms. Lewinsky". The whole thing would have disappeared from the news within a week or so. A sizable chunk of American males secretly were thinking "go Bill go"

[GalleryGod]

46. OLD NEWS,Folks. let us move on.

[mrdemocrat78]

15. Yeah, but he lied.... Under Oath!

Don't forget that.

He lied under oath.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. He Lied About A Consensual Blow Job

~

[GalleryGod]

57. I'd have lied to Paula Jones' shysters, too.

My heart went out to Senator then and still does,today.
What a waste of 2nd term potential...sheesh!

My Gal after the Show.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. What He Did Was Immoral And Showed Exquisitely Poor Judgment Or Self Control

But just as I wouldn't want to be judged by my worst moment I won't judge others by their worst moment...

[GalleryGod]

74. Indeed.

We're fightin' for this guy...born 2/3/07

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. "None of your business" Would Have Been Tantamount To A Confession

He had to lie about it to buy some time... If this was any country but America it would have been laughed off...

[ShortnFiery]

109. Bull. The FRENCH, those socialists are angry at their President for marrying soon after a divorce.

At least he and his ex- had the honesty to DIVORCE.

Bill Clinton is morally depraved and I almost didn't vote for him in 1996 for that very reason. But they both went on TV and LIED. Bill is still as sex addict who put our beloved country through Impeachment Proceedings because he didn't give a damn about anyone but himself.

Wake up from partisanship and realize the ARROGANCE that runs rampant throughout the Clintonian DLC. Yes, it is important when you cheat on a spouse and then lie about it. It makes you a piss poor NATIONAL Security Risk. What will HRC's minions do in the future to cover up Bill's indiscretions? Because we all know that Bill is not cured of his sex addiction. No, "a blow job" is not an illegal invasion, but it's morally depraved of a married President. He's an embarrassment to our country. :thumbsdown:

Yeah, it's something that he should have resigned for and handed the reins over to Al Gore. We just want to remember "the booming economy" and forget about his disastrous NAFTA and Welfare Reforms. That's just selective memory, not the truth of all the DLC's deception of being "progressive." :(

[Reciprocity]

10. Why don't you go and post this over at Freeperville.

It's more befitting of their members than ours.

[calico1]

12. Is Bill Clinton running for office? n/t

[Colobo]

17. It's part of his legacy. There is nothing anybody can do to erase it.

It was an embarrassing moment in American politics.

[hayu_lol]

27. We ought to be happy that our candidates are hetero and not like the ...

closeted perverts on the right. This is not a slam at gays, but at those who preach one way and then hide in public restrooms to get their kicks.

Gingrich, Lott, Hyde, Burton, Livingston, Vitter, Craig and a cast of thousands...its a wonder the Repugnants have managed to reproduce themselves. Ya dont suppose they clone themselves do ya?

Last I heard, the Clinton in this election is Hillary. So why bring up the little Bimbo's great adventure: Monica does Beverly Hills High School and then the sequel: Monica does DC.

Someone on this thread mentioned Freeperville vis-a-vis this thread... thats where it belongs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Please Get Obama To Post This On His Website

PLEASE

[William769]

31. I'll even do the wed design for him!

I just want to be helpful.

[GalleryGod]

41. You meant "web" I'm sure. Anyway: OLD NEWS.

FUHGEDDABOUTIT!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Can We E-mail to this to the Obama Campaign?

The OP claims to be intimately connected with it...

[GalleryGod]

59. Facetious? Correct?

Here's one for you...

41 years,3 months ago.

[MH1]

BAD idea for a Democrat to bring it up directly.

However, what they should do if asked about it.... :shrug:

I think high road would be the best choice for the candidate.

(btw I was and am thoroughly disgusted by Clinton's behavior with Lewinsky, and wish he would've resigned...but I'm more disgusted by the republican witchhunt.)

[Mass]

23. If Hillary Clinton did not bring it from time to time, I would say: forget it.

But she is the one bringing it without being asked.

This said, I do not think the Obama campaign should bring it, but my guess is that they are going to be asked at some point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Should Other Presidents Have Resigned For Their Affairs

That would mean no FDR , JFK, and LBJ but Richard Nixon and George Bush* never messed around...

[Mass]

32. I never thought he should have resigned. Obviously, the outrage was way too strong.

Unfortunately, it also had impact on what Clinton was able to do or not at the end of his mandate, and who knows what he would have been able to do if he did not have had to be busy with that.

My only point is that, to my knowledge, the only Democratic candidate who talked about it until now was her, and nobody else.

[GalleryGod]

33. Me too. Fuhgeddaboutit !

[GalleryGod]

26. Nope. Old News. Bill's problem. Not Senator Clinton's

:hide: We got to let it go,folks.

[Cameron27]

36. I'll kick this up,

since I doubt this kind of thing helps Obama. I'll even recommend for you.

[BootinUp]

70. lol nt

[DutchLiberal]

37. For a community that always criticizes the MSM for only talking about trivial issues...

...DU seems to be very eager to discuss this non-issue. It's the right-wing that constantly brings this up; why should Democrats keep bringing it up? I thought we agreed it's none of our business what goes on in the president's bedroom? (or where-ever it happened.)

[William769]

42. Desperation is setting in, again.

[GalleryGod]

50. Nah, just an over-zealous OP. Let's Move on...like in to the 21st Century

[zulchzulu]

68. So...let's ignore history? Oh...OK...

:shrug:

[GalleryGod]

77. Since I'm a History Prof...of course not.

Let us just ENJOY the ass kicking our Big 3 gave the War Party last night. That's all.

[durrrty libby]

38. I guess Obama did a lot worse in the debate than I thought he did

:rofl:

[GalleryGod]

51. It was a GREAT Night for DEMOCRATS. Let this pass,d.l.

[Bluebear]

53. Someone who shook Obama's hand needs to touch Bill so he will get the BAM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4057783

[GalleryGod]

62. The Big 3 kicked major butt last night. Let's Enjoy it!

Bobby would not be pleased.

[sufrommich]

65. I admire your spirit, GalleryGod. nt

[GalleryGod]

69. Back at you! That was like a Presidential Decision Making Seminar last night!

In Vegas! of ALL places!

"Honey, If I get Russert's size,lock the 'frig!"
"Oh,you bet, Slim!" :rofl: :spray:

[BootinUp]

76. thanks for your

efforts at raising the level of discourse. :thumbsup:

[GalleryGod]

79. I know what you mean,Jim.

SHEESH!

[BootinUp]

81. nice pic.

I was too young to enjoy them in their heyday. But I always had a particular fondness for Sammy Davis Jr.

[AngryAmish]

60. It sucked the life out of his Presidency

[GalleryGod]

71. Hey,Hey! Thanks for loading me up with that image!

Over there! "Harry" Hayes !

[AngryAmish]

83. Those times really blew

[zulchzulu]

84. It sucked how it all played out

[AngryAmish]

85. We all had to swallow a lot of pride...

[zulchzulu]

87. Who knew it would have come to this

[AngryAmish]

88. We had to lick the impeachment attempt

[zulchzulu]

96. Spot on!!!

[AtomicKitten]

78. right you are (pun included)

[Reciprocity]

80. The only blow they can brag about went up Obama's nose.

[zulchzulu]

82. Funny, that. Obama wrote about his teen years doing drugs openly and honestly

Did Bill?

:rofl:

[loveangelc]

86. that's pretty much all that I remember from the Clinton presidency tbh.

[Zynx]

89. That's sleazy even bringing it up.

It should have never become a scandal.

[ShortnFiery]

104. But when it did "come up" Clinton should have resigned - we'd now have President Gore.

The arrogance and sense of entitlement of the Clintonian DLC and it's surrogates rivals only the RNC on the scale for *shamelessness.*

Here's a scary thought: TO WHAT EXTENT will HRC and her surrogates *sink to* in order to cover up Bill Clinton's future affairs?

Do you honestly think he's capable of being physically faithful to HRC? ... after Gennifer Flowers ... then after Monica Lewinsky? :shrug:

Having worked within the Intelligence field, I can attest to the fact that those who grant high level security clearances don't care if you're homosexual as long as you can't be blackmailed. However, being unfaithful to one's spouse is a TRUE SECURITY ISSUE.

If HRC snags the WH, Bill Clinton is a valid "security risk." If he were SGT Jones instead of Bill Clinton, his marital infidelities would disqualify him for high level security clearances.

But what the hell! Anything for political royalty, right?

[no name no slogan]

90. Behold the power of the CLENIS...

ten years later, and they're still talking about it.

Unreal. And sad.

[varelse]

91. Voted "Other" - I'm still trying to figure out why this was 'big news' even right after it happened

aren't there more important things we need to worry about?

[AwakeAtLast]

92. Only if we dig up all of the crap buried by past Presidents that was never brought to light

Let it go. Please.

[SIMPLYB1980]

93. K&R!

LOL!

[cascadiance]

94. You think Bill might visit her in Portland on this anniversary?

:evilgrin:

[Catherine Vincent]

95. Only an Obama supporter would figure out the anniversary of a blowjob. nt

[zulchzulu]

97. Yeah....um...it never happened...did it...

[Catherine Vincent]

103. No one said it didn't happened.

But do go on. Enjoy yourself talking about blow jobs and Clinton's penis. :eyes:

[zulchzulu]

116. I know the Hillaryworlders would love this anniversary to just go away, but...

...it isn't.

Hillary has been busy rewriting history, but this event and anniversary is certainly not going away no matter how hard she cackles or cries.

Bill cheated on her. She stayed with him because she would be a nobody/footnote now.

Bill stretched the whole episode for a year when he could have been a man and admitted he did what he did at the start. Should we just expect more of this if he's back in the White House? My betting money says yes.

Just to flash back at this story:

Clinton, according to these people, has acknowledged that having a friendship with the 24-year-old Lewinsky looks odd, and in retrospect was unwise. But Clinton supposedly told friends the two became close in part because they shared stories about their turbulent family upbringings, the sources said. Lewinsky is the child of divorced parents, and Clinton grew up with an adoptive father who was an alcoholic and sometimes physically abusive.

Clinton has publicly denied having a sexual relationship with Lewinsky or encouraging her to lie about it. But he has repeatedly refused to describe in detail what kind of relationship they did have and has not addressed such issues as why he gave her a dress and other gifts, as Lewinsky said on the tapes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/president012598.htm

[HughMoran]

98. DU is now Fox news?

Yikes!

[AtomicKitten]

99. Memories.

Ugh.

[Withywindle]

102. Other...

because it's really ultimately trivial and unspeakably boring?

Because it was a moment when the US became the laughingstock of the world--not because the President had an affair, who gives a shit? Not even because he lied about it --first off, who wouldn't, and second, why was this even something he had to testify over? (Although, if you look up the etymology of the world "testify" it's pretty amusing.) What he did was sleazy, but not illegal.

We were the laughingstock of the world because a bunch of hypocritical prudes and right-wing grandstanders out for blood forced the government to shut down over it. Because all our "best political minds" instead of concentrating on real problems, were obsessed with stains on dresses and cigars.

As fads go, it had about as much substance as Pet Rocks and the Macarena--and did a hell of a lot more damage to the level of our political discourse.

And I don't blame Bill or Monica for that.

[OneBlueSky]

105. amazing, isn't it? . . . Bill Clinton gets impeached for a blow job, and . . .

Congress can't find the balls to impeach a president who has essentially diregarded the Constitution as "just a piece of paper," and violated it more times than we can count . . .

I'd suggest that someone give Bush a blow job so we can impeach him -- but there's a limit to "taking one for the team" . . .

[ShortnFiery]

106. France's President is getting fried in the polls for marrying soon after a divorce.

But our "beloved" Bill Clinton couldn't "come clean" (LIED) because of this INSANE machismo that "Presidents never admit faults" ESPECIALLY those revealing infidelity to one's beloved spouse. That makes Bill one hell of a security risk.

No, Bill Clinton didn't commit war crimes or start a pre-emptive war, but if he wasn't such a self-important, pompous ASS, he would have resigned for the sake of "OUR PARTY." It's no surprise that The Clintons screwed over both Al Gore and John Kerry. They couldn't give a damn because it's all about THEM. If Bill Clinton would have loved "the American People" as much as he boasts, he would have RESIGNED rather than dragging us through Impeachment Proceedings - but it's all about him, Hill and their buds in the DLC. :thumbsdown:

NOW, no politician is held to ANY STANDARD WHAT SO EVER. I suggest that Bill Clinton cracked the door open (infidelity) so the BushBotBorg could storm through it with moral depravity galore. NO Politician is held to ANY STANDARD today - whether it be moral unfaithfulness to one's spouse, voting for an illegal invasion OR the commission of War Crimes. :grr:

We truly, as a party, MUST "get over" kissing The Clintons' political asses. They have pushed our party so damn far right, those who joke about The Democratic Party morphing into "republican lite" via the DLC Clinton Executive Branch rule, well, they're not that far off the mark. :thumbsdown:

[OneBlueSky]

115. can't disagree with that . . . I'm no Clinton fan either . . . n/t

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[donheld]

107. What a stupid idiotic idea.

Bill Clintons approval ratings at that time were very high. If Obama brings up that shit it will only serve to harm him.

[ShortnFiery]

108. The economy was on a roll which is directly linked to Presidential Approval Ratings.

Bill Clinton's mask has been ripped off a decade later to reveal the persona of an intimidating used car salesmen. No, the American People have seen all the subsequent DLC models and we're not buying it ... not even another "Clinton" model. It's the same old right-wing, triangulating DLC Executive Branch that we'll be ushering in for the 3rd time. Now that, IMO, is true insanity for anyone other than those representing the Investor Classes. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

113. Read again. It would be either one of Obama's or Edwards' surrogates

It's based on how cheapshot tacky the Hillaryworld surrogates have been.

[donheld]

117. It's still a stupid idea.

[Perry Logan]

110. Oh well. Jefferson liked to fuck his female slaves. George W. Bush used to give blowjobs.

Eisenhower was bending his secretary over his desk while World War II raged, etc.

See? If we talk about Bill Clinton in the language of a softcore porn movie, we should talk about all of them that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Praising Reagan...Dissing Clinton

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