I regret to inform you that the truce has been broken.

[Barack_America]

Bill Clinton says that in the choice between race and gender, voters should select gender in deciding their votes.

This is, unfortunately, was printed yesterday or today, after both campaigns promised the American people that they would leave gender and race out of the election and instead focus on the issues.

"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks. There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president," Clinton said. "And there's a lot of women who are voting for Hillary, even though they like Sen. Obama, because they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling."

That's right Bill, it's a black man vs. a woman. Why bother selecting a candidate based upon their plans for our country? Americans are obviously too dumb to decide between candidates based on the strength of their proposals. Oh no, it must be broken down into simple terms for us...

Why do they keep bringing this up? I wish they wouldn't, but as long as they do, I'm going to call them on it.

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-15-bill-clinton-nevada_N.htm

-------------
As an aside: I'd really appreciate it if somebody finds audio to this event that they post the link here. I'm really hoping this statement wasn't as bad as it sounds. Thanks.

[mrdemocrat78]

1. SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!

I knew she'd take the first shot

That's it. I can't take it any more.

I keep saying that I'll support any Dem who wins the nomination. That's it. I'll vote for freaking Nader before I cast a vote for her. I've had it.

I am sick of the dirty politics. I am sick of it. She doesn't deserve it.

And with a dem led senate and congress, I don't care if a repug wins now. As long as we got a veto-proof majority, I don't give a shit. I am so disgusted right now.

...DON'T GET ME WRONG! I will NOT vote for McCain...Rudy...or any of them, but If this is ture, I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary any more.

[Avalux]

She didn't though; she had Bill do it. Can she fire him from her campaign?

He needs to shut the hell up because even though I really, really loved him as president, he's starting get on my last nerve. x(

[jasmine621]

71. I must be missing something here. Just what did Bill do?

Are Hillary campaigners not supposed opinions about anything, including Obama?

[mzmolly]

76. Nothin'

I'm with you Jasmine

"The Truce Has Been Broken!?" :eyes:

[global1]

85. I Mentioned This Before - A Friend Of Mine Told Me That Bill Doesn't Really Want Hillary To Win.....

so she doesn't overshadow his accomplishments. So when he is out on the campaign trail - either unconsciously or consciously he is doing and saying things that subvert her campaign.

I was told that this could be another reason that Gore kept an arms length from Bill when he ran in 2000.

[rodeodance]

91. nothing-absolutely nothing. It is IP that is firing the shots

[Essene]

86. "There's STILL some African Americans who support Barack" - Bill Clinton

I see all the usual suspects are pretending the Clinton's poo don't stink and that they never engage in questionable political tactics. Race bait? Gender bait? NEVER.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack."

That's such an insulting thing to say on a day of a truce... after all the tensions of the last 11 days... it's mind-bobbling that people would believe somebody as smart and shrewed as Bill Clinton accidentally says such things.

Get real folks.

This is an indication of a very nasty approach to political power.

And then him trying to suggest Obama is the establishment? GETTING DESPERATE BILL...

[Muttocracy]

2. I think Hillary's folks should send Bill on vacation for a while n/t

[Essene]

48. Amen. He's getting impeaced as the first Black President at this rate.

The Obama signs here in Harlem are showing up... a lot.

[redqueen]

3. When was the truce made?

And IMO the statement was honest.

I don't get why people are vilified for making valid observations about the electorate.

[mrdemocrat78]

4. the day before the debate

[Essene]

I think it was moreso the DAY of the debate... the same day he said this race/gender baiting stuff

And yes... it's baiting.

This man is a political genius and doesn't accidentally talk about race and gender without intending to push the dialog in that direction. He either didn't get the memo or didn't care. Take your pick, it's pathetic either way.

[rodeodance]

123. YOU ARE WRONG-IT WAS MONDAY EVENING

[rodeodance]

125. BTW--YOU ARE WRONG TWICE--IT IS not RACE-BATING

[Essene]

143. The AP disagrees with you... cuz his speech was Tuesday, yesterday, same say as debate

[moriah]

124. That statement by Bill was on Monday...

Depends on when the truce was called if it is considered breaking the truce.

[Essene]

142. The Associated Press disagrees with you

Look at the article: "SPARKS, Nev. (AP) — Bill Clinton, who carried Nevada in two general elections, urged voters Tuesday..."

[Clovis Sangrail]

17. I agree with you

I didn't hear the whole speech, but that quote isn't upsetting to me.
He pointed something out that is true... so what?

I think the people getting their knickers in a knot are just spoiling for a fight.

[Essene]

55. The point is that they need to back down their stirring of racial/gender tensions as promised.

It's that simple.

He broke the truce becase the Clintons honestly dont care about much if it goes against their desire for power. It's become very obvious to me that this, in the end, is really the truth.

Diss MLK as a race bait tactic? No problem.

Play the gender card? No problem.

Repress voters? No problem.

Break your word and go negative minutes after a truce? No problem.

[redqueen]

60. So by making ANY observation of race or gender...

that means you're stirring tensions? I don't buy it.

He didn't stir anything up, he made observations.

How does what he said qualify as going negative? I want to understand where you get that from.

[Essene]

65. On the day of a truce... absolutely. The primaries have turned into a chorus of animosity...

...and he knows he cannot speak objectively, just like he knows his nasty comments about Obama previously stirred up the pot.

What folks confuse are the following:

1. directly being negative on race or gender (i.e. being racist or sexist)

2. baiting animosity through heated, emotionally charged language that causes folks to react (i.e. baiting)

What the Clintons are doing is BAITING the public dialog into focusing on gender and race issues, because they know that a public buzzing on these topics will likely benefit their campaign. It's that simple.

What he said by itself... in another context... wouldn't have much importance.

[redqueen]

72. That's not baiting. You're seeing what you want to see. (nt)

[Essene]

79. BS. Those of you denying the Clinton race/gender baiting are delusional or insincere

...which is it?

On a day of a TRUCE, you dont go out there babbling about this stuff. If Bill Clinton intended to merely say this is a historic time without stirring the pot... he's MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack."

Do you not comprehend how insulting that is to say on a day of a truce? Get real...

[mzmolly]

134. Oh puleeze, serve it on some toast huh?

:puke:

[polichick]

5. The more this guy stumps for his wife, the more I dislike him...

Wish he'd just carry her bags and SHUT UP!

[rinsd]

6. And you're just "helping" the situation with creative editing

Bill Clinton continued the theme of "change" in a speech later Tuesday to about 500 people at a fire station in Carson City. Suggesting the Democratic race is down to his wife and Obama, he said the party appears to be ready to make history by nominating either its first African American or first woman.

"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks."

Why not include that?

Oh yeah, kinds of puts a damper on your bullshit.

[redqueen]

7. Thanks for posting it in the thread. (nt)

[Barack_America]

12. Thanks! I added it, although I'm not sure how it makes it sound better?...

But I'd rather just post Bill's quote and not the reporters interpretation of them, if you don't mind. I think it's better for everyone to interpret them for themselves, either positively or negatively.

[BootinUp]

8. Is that all there is

to make the case you have in your thread title?

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

14. Reminding people that they're voting for either a black or a woman...

(or an Edwards ;) )

Is in pretty obvious violation to the pledge that they're no longer going to make this election about race and gender. If you can't see that, I'm sorry.

[creeksneakers2]

29. Voters cannot be reminded that Hillary is a white

woman and Obama is a black man because the voters never forgot that in the first place.

[Barack_America]

34. Really? I don't see Obama as a black CANDIDATE....

even though I know he is a black man. The fact he is black doesn't affect whether I'll vote for him or not.

But Bill Clinton seems hell-bent on making us feel that we are either voting for a black candidate or a woman candidate. I think that does a disservice to this election.

[mrdemocrat78]

40. It's called giving us a history lesson

If This sounds crude I'm sorry... just tyring to illustrate a point.

Clinton did this because in the minds of America, especially in the south, when a White Woman screams RAPE! The Black Man always has to be guilty.

Like it or not, it's how it's always been. And he's betting it works agian.

[Barack_America]

61. Oh god, I hope that's not what he's getting at.

At the very WORST I thought he might be insinuating that maybe a woman deserves to be President before a black man.

I hope it's not as bad as all that.

I'm just so disappointed in him.

[Glorfindel]

9. Where in that statement does he say "voters should select gender?"

Just curious. Or is there more text that you didn't post? And I really hope we're not all "two dumb." That would just be tragic. :evilgrin:

[Barack_America]

18. "they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling"

What about the choices of:

"they think it would be better if an African American man broke the racial barrier"

"they don't give a shit about race or gender and will be voting for a candidate based on the strength of their policies"

Were these options also presented? That's why I'm looking for audio. I'm hoping that the reporter cut him off to stir shit up. But, I would still argue that bringing race and gender up is pretty disrespectful, considering the "truce".

[VotesForWomen]

146. yes - "they," refering to people who think this. he did not endorse it. nt

[mzmolly]

33. No where. Much ado about "not a damn thing"

again. :hi:

[Bluebear]

10. Yes, we are all "two dumb"

:silly:

[Barack_America]

13. Thanks. My typing is horrible lately.

I need to edit better.

[mzmolly]

35. Indeed, considering the number of recs.

;)

[Turbineguy]

11. It sounds like one of the DU polls

where one is given two unappetizing choices.

[polichick]

15. The Good Cop, Bad Cop Clinton Show continues...nt

[Vinca]

16. As a person who is not a fan of Senator Clinton, I was surprised

when my attitude about her became a bit more positive during the debate last night. After the "Bush pathetic" comment I began to think maybe I could vote for her after all. So what happens? First John Lewis comes out and plays the race card and now Bill is at it again. She ought to lock them both in a room, along with the BET guy, until after the election.

[grantcart]

20. lock them in a room?

This is all going on as scripted and they can't perform their roles locked up.

Up next an ironic statement by Obama followed by 7 Clinton surrogates remarking how Obama broke the truce followed by Obama surrogates pointing out how ridiculous this is. Obama apologizes for absolutely nothing in order to try and show he is above it all and get back on message. Unfortunately Brittney Spears burbs and his comeback is lost in the uproar.

In the meantime Edwards releases another major policy initiative and quietly moves up in NV.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

26. There's got to be a better way to choose a candidate than this puppet theater

I'm not sure what system to implement, but this craziness is really turning me off to everyone and I'm even starting to question whether I want to stay in this party.

[grantcart]

44. I understand and having lived outside of the country for 20 years

you begin to realize that it is such a huge country with such huge cultural divides that it is a wonder that it works at all. But I think being an independent is in fact a cop out. I hope you stay and fight.

[2rth2pwr]

19. Bill speaks the truth. Why do you want him to censor this? nt

[rodeodance]

97. Most anything involving the clintons is bashed on this board. WHY? We seldom

get the why--just the ugly bash!!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. You are a loathsome sower of discord

There is nothing even remotley objectionable here, but you have shown a pattern of wanting to stir up racial tensions.

That is disgusting behavior.


"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks. There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president," Clinton said. "And there's a lot of women who are voting for Hillary, even though they like Sen. Obama, because they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling."

[HughMoran]

25. .

good observation

[Cameron27]

31. Thank you K&H

:thumbsup:

[Barack_America]

36. "they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling"

Really? There's nothing questionable about that? There's nothing questionable about continually reminded voters that there is a black candidate and a woman candidate? Nothing questionable about implicating that a woman should be in the White House before an African-American?

Wow. You are much more clueless than I thought.

[Barack_America]

37. By the way, thanks for the personal attack.

Coming from someone so high and mighty as you are, I'll take it as a compliment.

You certainly do think highly of yourself.

[HughMoran]

58. "Wow. You are much more clueless than I thought." huh?

You have proved yourself a hypocrite in consecutive posts twice in the last 2 days as I have pointed out.

Why?

[Barack_America]

64. Please do.

I would like to hear where I am a hypocrite in "two consecutive posts" as you say. Where did you point this out, exactly.

Hey man, I just think that I have the right to be disappointed that these issues are being brought back up when we were promised they would go away. And I didn't print it, USA Today did, maybe to just try to stir things up again? I don't know. But they promised they would stop trying to paint Obama as the "black candidate" and they didn't. I have every right to be disappointed and angered by that.

[HughMoran]

82. Look, Obama IS black, Hillary IS a woman

We need to be able to say this without having a freak out. Are you helping or hurting by implying that the "truce" was broken?

Did you expect Bill to want the black man to win? That would be absurd don't you think?

[Barack_America]

96. So here's my issue, Hugh.

There is general agreement that interjecting race into this issue only hurts Obama. That white voters, sooner or later will get sick of hearing about "that black man" and won't vote for him. In my opinion, what Bill has done here is to frame Obama as "the black candidate" (I don't see how there can be much argument about this). And, considering Bill obviously knows that interjecting race into elections hurts black candidates, why is he doing this?

That's what made me so upset.

It's not that we don't know that one is a woman and the other is black, the question is whether or not it is proper for either of the campaigns to remind us of that. The truce promised that the campaigns weren't going to interject race into the election. IMO, Bill Clinton has done this here.

[HughMoran]

102. I suppose he could stop drawing that distinction

OTOH, I think repeatedly mentioning it is good in the end as the more people hear something, the more comfortable they are with it. We need to, as a country, not be "nervous" that a black man is running for President. There's also a possibility of a backlash if Bill's remarks are though of as piling on or breaking the truce as it were. It's a double-edge sword - I'm not sure if his reminding us that Barak is black is good or bad for Hillary. Time will tell I guess - glad I like both Hillary and Obama and donated to both of their campaigns this week. Either would be a good, fair leader IMHO.

[Barack_America]

110. Fair enough.

It was the timing of these remarks that were worse than the remarks themselves, IMO.

If you want to call a truce, I promise I won't break it. ;)

[HughMoran]

114. Truce

;)

[Bread and Circus]

81. you are going on ignore, I think that makes about 24

... DU just keeps getting better and better all the time.

[mzmolly]

108. Agreed.

:hi:

[rodeodance]

111. Bill spoke truthfully--Can not people utter the words black, which wemon ect without

getting crapped on?

[Thrill]

22. No surprise. This is just their pathetic way. Of reminding people Barack is black

Its going to backfire in the end

[creeksneakers2]

30. Did people forget that Barack is black? n/t

[Bonobo]

23. *Boo hiss Boo hiss*

[fletcherwalker]

24. These cool-aid drinkers are like rabid dogs.

Bill Clinton is not allowed to even make an observation regarding how or why people may vote. In fact, no one should even say Obama's sacred name unless you are on your knees.
Otherwise you are obviously a racist and a sexist.

You can't keep looking like a fool in the debates and blame it on racism. Instead of attacking the Clintons all day maybe this guy should cramming. He's barely verbal without one of his boring "hope for change" speeches.

[progressoid]

27. Umm...so?

"...it's a black man vs. a woman...Americans are obviously too dumb to decide between candidates based on the strength of their proposals..." YOU SAID IT!

Sorry, but for a lot of Americans it IS about gender and/or race. For some it might be about which candidate gives them a good feeling. Or which one they detest the least. Or which one is the most Christian. Etc.

Some people actually vote on the issues. A lot don't.

[Bread and Circus]

28. Didn't Hillary explicitly say just last night she didn't want gender or

race to be part of the campaign?

And when I say explicitly, I mean nearly word for word.

Maybe Bill is out of the loop.

But I'm sure Obama made all this up.

[Essene]

49. Yes. After playing the gender and race cards for 10 days, she claimed it was below them as a party

I've lost all respect for her, personally.

[mzmolly]

32. What GARBAGE! The statement doesn't sound "bad" to me? This sounds like a sorry

attempt by Republicans and/or the media to stir the pot again. I do question the motive of those perpetuating this non-sense.

[Barack_America]

41. Wow. I'm surprised that some people just don't get this.

Here they are, swearing that they are no longer going to interject race or gender into this debate and we now have Bill reminding everyone that they are either voting for a black or a woman and, by the way, "they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling".

Hey man, I don't want race and gender in this election and more than you do. That's why I was asking for audio of this to see if we could disprove it.

And, by the way, I didn't put this out there, USA TODAY did.

And to answer your implication, no I'm not a troll. Just a voter who's sick of being manipulated to choose between race and gender.

[mzmolly]

50. Oh, I "get it." I expect that's the problem?

"The former president told Sharpton that, with a black man and a woman at the forefront of the contest, it was "a happy moment" for everyone in the party. He predicted that, by the time of the nominating convention in Denver in late August, Democrats would be presenting a united front." ~ Bill Clinton

"We share the same goals, we are all Democrats, we all believe in civil rights, we all believe in equal rights," he told reporters in Reno, Nevada, according to Reuters. He added that "Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically and consistently been on the right side of civil rights issues." ~ Barack Obama

Civil Rights, Equal Rights = Race, Gender.

I don't mind discussing race or gender, don't attempt to speak for me. The campaigns have called a 'truce' they have not said we should pretend that a woman/black man are not the two front runners.

[Barack_America]

75. I respect your comments, but I thought that implied in that "truce" was that...

They also would not try to marginalize either candidate as "the black candidate" or "the woman candidate". This statement, to me, is a direct violation of that. I'm curious, but surprised, that so many others don't see it that way.

[mzmolly]

83. I don't think it's marginalizing the candidates to discuss race/gender.

I expect it will come up again?

The truce involves dialing down the implication that either Hillary/Bill/their supporters are racists, and/or that Obama/his supporters are sexist. It's not about pretending that race/gender will not play a role in the election or motivate supporters in one way or another.

For example, I support Edwards but would he happy to vote for "The First Black President" or "The First Woman President" because either would make an excellent President and would represent ALL Americans well.

[Barack_America]

93. But there is general agreement amongst the "analysts"...

However good they are, that even reminding everyone that Obama is "the black candidate", as Bill has most decidedly done here, can only hurt Obama's candidacy because people don't want race in this election. And Bill knows this...he knows it. And, if he knows it, why would he do it, unless he wants to hurt Obama? That's what is at issue here and what made me so angry.

[mzmolly]

100. Not sure what "analysts" suggest that nonsense, but the same could be said for reminding

voters that Hillary is a woman. I think it's bullcrap regardless.

[incapsulated]

38. What's the problem?

It's true, some people want either to elect the first female or black President, nothing wrong with that, never was.

This wasn't a divisive statement at all, he was acknowledging the positive aspects of race and gender in this race. If either one wins the White House it will be historic and something to be proud of as a Party.

[mzmolly]

39. Exactly, thanks for actually reading the article.

Seems to few of us have done so? :hi:

[rinsd]

42. Perhaps the dishonest framing by the OP had something to do with that?

[mzmolly]

43. Indeed.

Tis why reading for ourselves when we smell an attempt at division is good? ;)

[Barack_America]

80. I'm sorry, but I printed the quote as USA Today published it.

What I didn't print was the way that USA Today framed it, that's all. I'm of the opinion that you should look at the quote and decide what you think of it.

It's really interesting to me that Clinton supporters see nothing there while Obama supporters do.

[mzmolly]

87. Did USA today say "The truce has been broken?"

Cause if so, they've changed their headline.

[Barack_America]

115. No, but I don't need their help in interpreting statements...

I can decide for myself. What I would really appreciate is if I could find audio so I can hear what he said AFTER this statement. To hear whether he qualified it at all. Because, taken alone, it doesn't look very good, IMO.

[mzmolly]

120. Piff!

You wanted to stir the pot, and some have called you on it. His statements don't need 'clarification.'

[Barack_America]

132. It wasn't my intent to stir the pot.

But I did and I take responsibility for that. I'm not proud of what this discussion has become. But I still maintain that Bill was in the wrong here.

I guess that we'll just never read it the same way. So I offer a truce so that we can let this thread sink.

[mzmolly]

136. I'm fine with that Kristi.

Don't mean to be hard on you. :hi:

[Barack_America]

46. Umm, I did read it, just like you did. Would you prefer that I post the rest...

of the quotes, which highlight the importance of working with Republicans in congress and voting against your union??

Okay, fine I'll edit.

[mzmolly]

52. Please do. it will further reveal your agenda.

:hi:

[Barack_America]

56. You'll find that below. And my agenda is to take race and gender out of...

...this election, as the campaigns promised they would do.

[mzmolly]

59. That's not what the campaigns promised.

So, good luck with that! :hi:

[goodgd_yall]

47. That's what I got out of the article too.

The truce is still on, although we sure seem to have some DUers itching to fire the first shot to end it.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

45. totally bogus BS.

[Essene]

51. This was on the same day as the debate. He thus broke it...

Those of us who respect him... respect him for his ideas and vision, not because of his BULLSHIT.

They need to lock him away.

[Barack_America]

57. Oddly, many of the posters here see no problem with these remarks...

I don't get that.

[Essene]

62. To be blunt...

DU is filled with rabid Hillary defenders who flame anybody who dares criticize her. They will deny facts and points, and attack you in the process.

It's sad.

I've lost all respect for Hillary, but i still have some for Bill Clinton. I believe he really did break into tears after the NH victory, and i think his rant about the "fairy tale" stuff was very sincere. I think he's so deeply emotionally invested in Hillary's campaign that he's kinda lost his senses.

It's narcissism.

That said, clearly many still will defend him almost no matter what he says...

[mzmolly]

69. Hillary is my third choice, after Edwards and Obama.

When there is nothing wrong with the comments, there is nothing wrong with the comments.

[Essene]

92. For those who dont see the race baiting... perhaps the nuances arent clear

10+ days of race and gender baiting. 8 of which were before Obama even said a word about the MLK comments.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president." - bill clinton

:wtf:

1. gosh, some blacks still support obama for some reason. wanna know why?
2. well, they like hillary. yep. ALL of them do.
3. but yet SOME blacks still support obama just cuz they want a black president

He says this as part of a slick set of race and gender baiting comments ON THE DAY OF THE TRUCE??? He's flat out saying that all blacks like hillary but that SOME still like obama just cuz he's black.

Are you really having a hard time seeing that simple truth?

Sure, it's not racist. It's not sexist. It's not an outward attack.

But it's blatantly baiting and stirring up the pot...

[mzmolly]

104. Again - much ado about NOTHING. i.e. BULLSH*T.

Newly bundled turds are still turds. You're stretch is still a stretch and feigned outrage is still feigned outrage.

"it's blatantly baiting and stirring up the pot..."

Agreed, but it's not Clinton that is baiting and stirring the pot.

[Barack_America]

107. It's so clear to me...

And it's so disappointing that so many others around here don't recognize baiting when they see it. That spells big problems for Obama getting elected, I'm afraid. They don't even recognized when they're being manipulated to look at him as "the black candidate".

This is really, really sad.

Can we just let this thread die and maybe move the discussion over to the "What has Obama done wrong" thread? I'll bump it. It doesn't seem like any of the Clinton supporters are interested in looking at that thread, so it's kind of a haven.

[mzmolly]

113. Perhaps it's because most of us don't see "Black Candidate" as a disparaging term?

Or "Female Candidate" for that matter.

[Barack_America]

117. But many do...

It's not our votes we're worried about here, but the many voters in this country who have prejudices against either blacks OR women.

Shit, if Barack or his surrogates started highlighting Hillary's gender, I'd be equally pissed.

[mzmolly]

122. So you think that those voters will "forget" that Barack Obama is black or that Hillary is a woman

if they are not reminded?

Hilarious! :rofl:

It's clear to me that some wish to divide Democrats here on DU. I'm glad some of us see through it.

[Essene]

119. Bill said blacks are only voting for him cuz he's black. What's hard to understand here?

[mzmolly]

121. The hell he did. You're trying to stir up shit. That's "what's to understand" here.

:hi:

"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks. There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president," Clinton said. "And there's a lot of women who are voting for Hillary, even though they like Sen. Obama, because they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling."

The entire "issue" is a complete crock.

[Essene]

130. yea... right.

you insincere people scare me.

[mzmolly]

137. You are quite humorous.

[NashVegas]

139. I Assure You, We Recognize Baiting When We See It

..

[rodeodance]

116. give it a break--Bill did not break anything--In fact the IP made an issue out

observations. good gawd!!

[avrdream]

53. You are reaching on this one (why, I don't know)

so, as promised several days ago, this thread goes over into the hidden thread box.

[Barack_America]

54. THE REST OF THE QUOTES FROM THE ARTICLE:

I can no longer edit the original post, so I'll post them here (at the request of Hillary supporters). But it should be noted that the article states that these remarks came from a separate speech, earlier in the day.

"One candidate says you should vote for me because I've not been involved at all in the struggles of the past and therefore we need to turn over a new leaf and (try) something absolutely new. And if you want the feeling of change, then that is the person you should support,"

"The other candidate says vote for me because I spent a lifetime making change, raising hopes and fulfilling dreams for other people,"

"In this case the establishment organization is with him and the insurgents are with her,"

"They think they're better than you are at identifying and physically getting people to their caucus sites. And I bet they're wrong,"

We cannot pass health care reform and we cannot pass energy reform without some Republican votes in the Senate," he said. "When she was in the White House, she worked with Republicans to double the number of kids moving out of foster homes. She has always been able to do this."

[goodgd_yall]

67. So what---it's a campaign speech.

What do you expect? I see nothing divisive, if that is what you are implying.

[Essene]

68. Bill Clinton arguing that Obama represents the establishment = comedy

[HERVEPA]

63. HorseHockey

The man made a true, balanced observation, nothing more.
Sorry he's intelligent.
I don't hold it against Edwards or his wife or Obama or his wife or
Kucinich or his wife that they're intelligent.

This rabid hatred of the Clintons is unbelievable.
(My first choice is Dennis, by the way, 2nd choice Edwards)

[Samurai_Writer]

66. Shirley Chisholm most be rolling in her grave.

Being that she was the first major party African American candidate for President of the United States. She won 162 delegates. And this was back in 1972, people!

I'm really tired of the Clinton/Obama dirty political fighting. Especially how dirty the Clintons have been campaigning, although Obama's not that much better. Just think how much worse it will be when the Republicans go after our candidate in the general election.

[AtomicKitten]

70. Hey Bill: Why is the Clinton camp suing to disenfranchise voters?

edited for link: http://www.alternet.org/story/73782

[Essene]

74. the clintons are narcissistic, yes, but i dont think this is accurate

i think bill clinton would be out there arguing for obama IF anybody but his wife was opposed to him.

i suspect clinton identifies a lot with young obama... but he's so wedded to the rise of another clinton to the white house that he's ready to drown grandmothers to do so.

[AtomicKitten]

88. The Clintons made their intentions clear when they resorted to the courts to disenfranchise voters.

They apparently subscribe to the 'by an means necessary' school of thought, but that toxic tactical course will make it impossible for intraparty reconciliation post-nomination.

[Essene]

95. Sad but true. The question is if the Democratic party goes this route with them...

It's a formula for disaster.

[Skip Intro]

73. BS. The paragraph right before the snip you posted provides the necessary context.

Bill Clinton continued the theme of \"change\" in a speech later Tuesday to about 500 people at a fire station in Carson City. Suggesting the Democratic race is down to his wife and Obama, he said the party appears to be ready to make history by nominating either its first African American or first woman.

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So he\'s talking about making history, if the race is truly down to Hillary and Obama, history will be made.

I see nothing offensive here at all.


Not saying you in particular, but I think some people should have a drink or a xanax or take a deep breath or something...

[Barack_America]

84. That's context inferred from the author. That paragraph was the author's

interpretation of the quote. It wasn't a direct quote from Clinton. Are we unable to interpret for ourselves? The people in the audience didn't have the author there telling them what Clinton "meant".

[Skip Intro]

128. Is that not what you did in the OP?

There is nothing wrong or inaccurate in the quote you chose to exemplify the truce being broken. In fact, it echoes the message Hillary has been saying recently - barring some surprise surge to Edwards, history will be made.


proofread proofread proofread, doh

[Barack_America]

133. Yes, you are correct. I should have presented the quote and left...

...my editorial for a second post. Apologies.

[Imagevision]

77. It seems Bill is still seeking revenge for the Jennifer Flowers beat up, I never knew

how desperate and pathetic Bil could be, he never defended himself when all the chicki-poo's came out of the wood work on him, NO! he left that up to Hillary!

[styersc]

78. This might be the most important reason to reconsider voting

for Obama. Can this country and this party really take 4, maybe 8 years of the "Kristi1696's" of the world trying so hard to make themselves out to be victims of racism every time there is an honest debate underway?

[BootinUp]

89. I've got Sen. Obama on the phone

its for you:

Statement from Senator Obama:

You have seen a tone on the Democrat side of the campaign that has been unfortunate. I want to stipulate a couple of things. I may disagree with Senator Clinton and Senator Edwards on how to get there, but we share the same goals. We all believe in civil rights. We all believe in equal rights. They are good people. They are patriots....

I don't want the campaign at this stage to degenerate to so much tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, that we lose sight of why we are doing this.

Obama said he wants to send "a strong signal to my own supporters that let’s try to focus on the work that needs to get done. If I hear my own supporters engaging in talk that I think is ungenerous or misleading or unfair, I will speak out forcefully against it...

Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.... That is something I am convinced of. I want Americans to know that is my assessment.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Obama_putting_out_the_fire.html

[redqueen]

90. Nice try.

But the person who posted the OP and another DUer who's all over this thread obviously don't care, and are sowing as much racial discord as possible around here.

[Barack_America]

98. Not my intent.

I'm sorry if it looks that way. I saw Bill talking about race after Hillary had promised that nobody in her campaign would and it pissed me off. That's all.

[mzmolly]

118. OMG, he mentioned the 'African American community'

how dare he envoke race! :sarcasm:

Thanks WD :hi:

[Essene]

94. Blacks like Hillary, but some still like Obama... cuz he's black. FACT AMIRITE?

That's basically what Bill Clinton said on the day of the truce, folks.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president." - bill clinton


Bill Clinton is smart enough to know precisely what he's saying and that this is baiting outrage, again.

[ecstatic]

101. truth be told, he is right. But he still needs to shut up

the more he opens his mouth, the more he hurts his wife's chances.

[Essene]

109. blacks only support obama cuz he's black? they all like hillary?

Can you people PLEASE be a tad more critical about what comes out of the Clinton Campaign? MY GOD.

"Hillary has an enormous amount of African American support and Barack Obama has a lot of white people for him," he said in Sparks. There's still some African Americans who support Barack, even though they like Hillary, because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president," Clinton said. "And there's a lot of women who are voting for Hillary, even though they like Sen. Obama, because they think it would be better if a woman broke the glass ceiling."

Re-read that a few times...

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack (even though they like Hillary)
because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

Blacks support Hillary, but SOME still feel the need to support Obama just cuz he's black.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack (even though they like Hillary)
because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

Blacks support Hillary, but SOME still feel the need to support Obama just cuz he's black.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack (even though they like Hillary)
because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

Blacks support Hillary, but SOME still feel the need to support Obama just cuz he's black.

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack (even though they like Hillary)
because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

Do you not see what he's actually saying?

[ecstatic]

135. Yes, and he is right. Or at least would have been right, had he not

made certain offensive comments. Why is it surprising to you? Is it not possible to like two candidates equally, but give the edge to one over the other for various superficial reasons?

[Essene]

141. Go vote Republican... we dont need bigots

or anybody who has such insulting views of entire groups of people like african-americans

[ecstatic]

144. your concern is duly noted nt

[BootinUp]

99. tip for new DU'ers

you can alert on objectionable threads
you can hide threads
you can ignore posters
or you can continue to read ridiculous shit.

a wealth of choices

[mzmolly]

126. "you can call people out"

Another 'choice' I personally engage in. :hi:

[2rth2pwr]

103. This is a perfect example of the way Obama supporters handle criticism or

disagreement.

RACIST!
YOU ARE A RACIST!
WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP RACE?

Obama supporters are like the guy who had to be dragged out of the debate last night babbling on about RACE!

I wonder if he got tased?

[rodeodance]

129. Bingo----

[ieoeja]

105. I'm with all those who say this is hogwash.

There is nothing remotely racist or sexist about this.

Even if you were correct then it would be both racist AND sexist since he said the exact same things about both Hillary and Obama from a gender/race perspective respectively.

[Essene]

112. and to you... i say read his comments a tad more critically

"There's still some African Americans who support Barack (even though they like Hillary)
because they think he is the first African American to have a chance to be president."

i.e. Blacks support Hillary, but SOME still feel the need to support Obama just cuz he's black.

You dont consider that baiting and obnoxious? Seriously?

[rodeodance]

131. and he said some women will vote for Hil cause she is women. GET IT!!

[Essene]

140. some

[mzmolly]

127. Thank you ieoeja!

:toast:

[Imagevision]

106. Truce? Hillary hasn't a chance at all without her and Bill using the race card, umm.it is obvious

[notundecided]

138. Reading comprehension anyone?

Bill said some blacks will vote for Barack because he's black, and some women will vote for Hillary because she's a woman. How is that breaking the
truce?

[Justpat]

149. It isn't.

The OP has displayed the reading comprehension skills of a gnat and too many people
react as if there were legitimate discussion points involved.

I don't think any discussion, especially with trolls, benefits from answering
fake outrage and misinterpretation of the facts.

But that is just me..

And I'm old and cranky as hell when it comes to useless disruptions like this.

[VotesForWomen]

145. O.M.G. misrepresent much? Bill said SOME PEOPLE think that, he didn't reccommend it. nt

[Bread and Circus]

147. "some people say" Al Gore said he invented the internet...

do you see how it works now?

You just get the notion out there without being responsible for it by using the "some people say" trick...

[BenDavid]

148. Well, when Charlie Rangel goes after yo ass and says obama

is stupid, and now you have the most honorable john lewis telling obama he is no martin luther king. he is no jfk, and he is no bobby kennedy, now maybe obama can go find his ass cause he just got it chewed......