Clarkies (only) - Who do you support now?

[Auntie Bush]

Poll question: Clarkies (only) - Who do you support now?

All us Clarkies seem to have split up in all directions. Who do you support now days.

[Adelante]

1. Obama firm nt

[Renew Deal]

2. A lot of Clark people are now supporting the opposite of what they supported 4 years ago.

And it's disappointing to see that.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Huh? On what basis do you make that statement? nt

[Bucky]

10. Do the math, dude. What is the polar opposite of "someone who is not Wes Clark"?

Geeze, don't they teach you kids logic anymore?

[Captain Hilts]

27. I guess they didn't teach that when I got my phd in Poli Sci or worked at a polling firm. nt

[DJ13]

8. A lot of Clark people are now supporting the opposite of what they supported 4 years ago.

4 years ago we were looking for a candidate to take on "The Commander in Thief", and Clark was the best qualified in the Democratic field to do that.

Now thats not an issue, so were free to vote based on what direction we want America to go.

[Auntie Bush]

12. Good point. I guess that about sums it up. Thanks for your insight.

Glad I asked.

[Kucinich4America]

31. Maybe because some of the "Clarkies" here in 2004 never really supported the General at all

Some of them were DLC trolls sent here to disrupt the Dean supporters. You could tell by reading their posts which ones really liked the General, and which were really from the Will Marshall boiler room.

[Crunchy Frog]

50. Damn! Ya busted me.

Well, it's good work if you can get it. ;)

BTW, what name were you posting under back then? Just for old time's sake. :)

[Adelante]

11. Did you see this, Bleach?

This regression produces a number of coefficients that represent how much support was transferred from one candidate to another. For example, if the coefficient between John Kerry and Hillary Clinton is .73, that means that for every percentage point that Kerry had in a district in 2004, Hillary tended to pick up .73 percentage points in 2008. (…)

Clinton
.73 Kerry
.66 Lieberman
.18 Clark
.12 Edwards '04
-.05 Dean

Obama
.93 Dean
.45 Clark
.38 Edwards '04
.15 Lieberman
.09 Kerry

Edwards (2008)
.37 Edwards '04
.37 Clark
.24 Kerry
.15 Lieberman
.00 Dean

This was from a kos thread of an analysis of the New Hampshire vote and how it moved from one candidate in 2004 to another in 2008. I don't know how reliable any of it is, but it was interesting to see.

[Renew Deal]

14. Actually, yes

I was going more by what I saw on DU.

[Bread and Circus]

23. This means Hillary voters and Lieberman voters share a lot of the same genetics LOL!!

and the Deaniacs/Clarkies went for Obama!!!!

man I feel better reading that.

[earthlover]

13. Sad also to see CLARK supporting something he wouldn't have 4 years ago

Kyl-Lieberman. Clinton.

[Renew Deal]

15. Good point

:applause:

[BeyondGeography]

3. Another ex-Clarkie for Obama here

[Raine]

4. Edwards...firm nt

[cloudbase]

9. Same here. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

6. Gone Bama!

and for good reasons! :)

[Bucky]

Obama, but I wasn't troubled by his Clinton endorsement.

I was momentarily disappointed, of course. But one thing I always liked about Clark is that he's got a winner's attitude. It make sense for him to go with the heavily favored winner. He wants to win because he wants to effect change. How can you not respect that?

Being pisspoor from a state that doesn't hold its primary till March, my opinion in the race is basically a vanity anyway.

[Cha]

19. So why do you like

Obama, Bucky? I mean what's the "vanity"? If I may be so bold to ask?:)

[Bucky]

24. It's a vanity because by the time the election gets to my state, the winner will be clear

I was originally for Biden. I thought he was the candidate most likely to produce the biggest win and carry the longest coattails. He also consistantly spoke from the heart (a big change from Clark, who consistantly spoke from the head).

What I like about Obama is what I liked in Clark; he speaks to voters like their intelligent. He doesn't seem to pander. I find him a little vague on particular issues, but he shows a wide ranging intellect when he speaks. Also, he's new and fresh and will have fewer cronies to reward than the others. He carries, like Clark, the promise of delivering a transformative election victory.

Clark was once in a generation--he could have realigned the parties on a Lincolnesque scale. Neither Biden nor Obama can do that.

Mostly tho, I'm for Obama for "gut" reasons; he's got the strongest ethos in the field. Edwards leaves me wondering how sincere he is sometimes. Clinton makes me cringe. In my heart I do not trust her. I'll vote for her in a New York minute, of course. But I think she's the least likely to win in November of the three left standing and the one who's been the least convincing in explaining how she got snookered by Bush into voting for the IRW.

[Cha]

26. Glad I asked, Bucky!

I liked Clark okay and was really starting to like him and then the h bomb(I know it's loyalty) and he lost me, but, I'm feeling good about Obama although I do think Edwards is very sincere and would make a good president, I don't think the m$$$m is going to let him be heard enough because their agenda is different than ours.

Wouldn't it be something if we still didn't know our candidate by mid-March?

[Adelante]

29. I'm with you, Bucky

I see a lot of similarities with Clark in Obama. They each made me feel good about my choice of them, too.

[BootinUp]

7. Hillary all the way. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

16. I was a HUGE fan of Clark, he was the only politican....

who's concession made me cry. I am now a firm Obama supporter.

[Auntie Bush]

22. Well I really hope he doesn't make you cry. I'm a softy with empathy!

And I remember how I felt when Clark conceded and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[featherman]

17. Me: Clark '04 - now Obama '08

Seems a logical progression to me

[The Traveler]

18. Edwards -- rock solid

I must respectfully disagree with the General's position.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Obama, firm.

Not nearly as passionate as I was for Clark, but I doubt that I ever will be again.

[FrenchieCat]

25. I think that this will change, the passion, I mean.....

See this yet, Crunchy?

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[faithfulcitizen]

36. was leaning Obama, but now completely undecided.

[Bread and Circus]

21. Obama, firm.

[Donna Zen]

28. Firm Obama

Believe me, I've thought long and hard before I could write those words...firm Obama.

My reasoning is very different than it was for supporting Wes Clark with one exception: I can never vote for a supporter of this war. I did it once with money and energy when the Dems. nominated Kerry. Also, Wes having to rationalize Clinton's K-L vote made me feel ill.

I completely expected Wes to endorse Clinton. I doubt that she appreciates the value of the man.

[Adelante]

35. Hey, I wasn't sure if you were on for Obama

That's great :pals:

[Donna Zen]

39. I love staying out of the fights

Watching this go by without having to stay up too late and banging the keys has given me time to think. It was when I came to understand fully Obama's appreciation of community organizing that I made up my mind. He sees very clearly that only a clear majority of Americans have any hope of changing the direction of our country. Obama is a very interesting person, and very smart. Both Clark and Obama would seize the power of the bully pulpit to rally Americans. I believe in that concept.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with members of Clark's community, and I will never agree with them about Hillary or their Obama bashing, so I stay quiet.

[Adelante]

41. I've managed so far to stay out of fights with Clarkies

I couldn't stand it. It's getting harder for me not to fight with others, though, which is something I've mostly avoided doing. I hide a lot of threads.

[Donna Zen]

43. Oh my darling WesDem

There's some very dumb shit being said. It is better that I hold still rather than write....WTF are you talking about?

[Adelante]

44. I mean just ordinary back and forth of opposing supporter groups here on DU

Nothing huge. Just the difficulties of defending a candidate when your best friends are battling from the other side. I almost entirely don't interact with DUCs who support Clinton, because I want to retain those friendships once this is over. As far as other sites, I'm staying away.

[BootinUp]

47. to be honest

I do not believe that debating a primary would cause anymore of a rift than the cone of silence.

:pals:

[BootinUp]

46. bawk! bawk!

chicken.

<G>

[windbreeze]

51. watching them all...supporting none of them....

may even write in Kuchinic.....Clark really threw me for a loop...I can't seem to get that way about anyone else...hell, I traveled cross country to NH in January of 04, into temps of -16 and up...just to meet the man on the Draft Clark week-end...wb

[GainesT1958]

30. The General's still the best...

But since he "did not chose to run" this time, I'm leaning to Obama, though I still have some partiality to Edwards, which emminates not only from his populist stands, but because he was my senator.

Of course, I very much respect Gen. Clark's decision to go with Hillary, and understand it; after all, he knew both of them from Arkansas, and her husband sponsored him to be appointed as SACEUR. So some loyalty/thanks on his part would be very much in character for him.

Now if both Edwards and Obama ran together.....LANDSLIDE!!!:D

B-)

[renate]

my vote in the primary won't matter, so...

... I'm going to vote for Kucinich. Just my little way of urging the Democratic party not to forget about its more progressive members.

[Crunchy Frog]

That's what I did in '04. Got to be a Kucinich delegate at my state convention.

Good choice. :thumbsup:

[jenmito]

32. Obama-SOLID!

[Guava Jelly]

33. I was Wes all the way

This time around I am backing Edwards since Walken is getting snubbed :mad:

[BOSSHOG]

34. Still for Clark, hope he's lurking at a brokered convention

I will support with gusto the Dem nominee.

[mcscajun]

37. At present, I am still undecided/uncommitted to any candidate.

I will support the nominee, but have made no decision for the primary as yet. I was leaning towards Kucinich, but am wavering on that.

[David Zephyr]

38. Waited for Gore, Waited for Clark, now with Obama

I still think Wes would have done well, but then again, raising money is tough.

[annabanana]

40. Clark was my response to 9/11.

I doubt I would have supported a General otherwise..
(Edwards now)

[Nimrod2005]

42. Hope for change!

[ginchinchili]

45. No one.

I was supporting Joe Biden, the logical successor, but now I figure it doesn't matter. Democrats are just too fucking stupid.

[calteacherguy]

48. Obama - firm. nt

[kevsand]

49. Obama, firm.

Saying it that way sounds like ordering a drink in a movie or tv show:
"Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."
"Gin and tonic, tall, with a twist."
"Vodka martini, shaken, not stirred."
"Obama, firm, stirring, unshakable."

[Norrin Radd]

52. Kucinich

[Kat45]

53. I'm still undecided as to who I'll support.

I truly believe Clark could have and would have gotten our country back on the right track and I'm very sad that he's not running. When the primary season started, I was really liking Joe Biden, for some of the same reasons I liked Clark. Unfortunately, he's no longer running.

I'm not especially happy with the remaining field. Yes, I think any one of them would make a good President but at this point in time, we need a great President. I don't see one just yet. I'm going to have to do some serious studying of each candidate's views on every issue, as well as their plans as to what they'd do once in office.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe Hillary can win the general election, and I'm also not certain if Obama can. And I hope the Democratic Party does not snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.