In 25 years, Republicans are going to be begging for "Obama Republicans" to come back home..

[Joe the Revelator]

What the man is doing is genius.

[Kittycat]

1. Stop confusing them with logic. It's much easier to support a DLC Divider.

Say it with me... We want a divider, not a uniter. We want a divider, not a uniter.

[WCGreen]

8. Clinton tried to win over republican votes and look where it got him...

Do you really think that Obama will be able to work with republicans in congress if he is elected...

Do you really think they won't start in on him right from the start...

[Joe the Revelator]

9. If we hold the house, the senate, and the white house, they aren't going to have much choice.

[BringBigDogBack]

19. Bingo. Bango.

[Recursion]

11. Yes

Do you really think that Obama will be able to work with republicans in congress if he is elected...


Yes, I do. Nothing personal if you don't, but I do.

[Horse with no Name]

25. I don't what it got him, but it got us NAFTA. n/t

[WCGreen]

33. Yep, that's what I mean...

[FrenchieCat]

34. Have you read his book? Did you really listen to the 50 minute interview at all?

Don't you know that he knows what they will do.

Read his book, not just a choice excerpts.

[annie1]

10. lol.... here ya go then...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/05/06/bush/

[RufusTFirefly]

24. Thank God there are only two Democrats running in the primaries.

It follows that if you aren't supporting Obama, you must be supporting Clinton.

:sarcasm:

[postulater]

2. I don't really want to vote for someone

who will be campaigning to attract Republican voters. I wouldn't know that I could trust him/her to not wimp out on major progressive issues.

[Joe the Revelator]

3. Then you'll never vote for a winner with a mandate

I'd rather be the big tent that brings people along to our point of view, then to keep losing elections because we cut people off from the party.

[postulater]

5. My vote will go to whoever represents ME.

I am not going to try to figure out who will represent SOMEONE ELSE.

So I may never voter for the winner, at least I expressed my opinion the way I thought I should.

If I never vote more progressive than the centrist candidate, they will never have any reason to move in that direction.

Sometimes the herd is just too safe.

[BringBigDogBack]

18. If Obama

is not 'progressive', I'll eat my shorts.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

38. My advice would be to look closely on the records

of the different candidates, they will tell the most true story on how a candidate is likely to act(rhetoric while useful is less accurate as it will change to attract different groups), what the candidates did before they entered office might also show some insight in the candidates

Also keep in mind that Obama is aiming for the independents and the moderate/disillusioned republicans, the less republicans around the weaker the power base of the republicans which again will force atleast a few republicans to start voting in a more progressive way if they wish to keep their seats or risk loosing it

[postulater]

42. Thanks,

As my primary draws near I will look more at the records. Right now I have been just watching the circus.

[Horse with no Name]

41. The problem is the republicans don't come along to our point of view

they hijack the fucking bus.

[BringBigDogBack]

14. perhaps you should educate yourself about the candidate

and his record, and senate rating (about 10th or so most liberal), instead of listening to second-hand campaign talking points and misunderstanding a campaign strategy. Just an idea.

[postulater]

43. I will to that.

Can you give me a good link?

As my primary draws near I will be considering their records more closely.

[Recursion]

16. Yeah, because ignoring them and belittling them has been a great strategy

I mean, look at how much power we've gained in the past 30 years :sarcasm:

[Catherine Vincent]

4. You're losing it, Wolsh. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Book mark the thread and top it in 25 years...

You'll see how right I was ;).

[FrenchieCat]

35. No, this country is losing everything, and Democrats' been losing.....

if you haven't noticed.

[mckeown1128]

7. kick and rec nt

[maddiejoan]

12. But they'll be doing it in Chinese.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. I don't get this one

[maddiejoan]

15. Think about it.

[Recursion]

17. Trade policy

Ironic coming from someone with a Hillary icon, but hey...

[BringBigDogBack]

20. lol, kind of what I was thinking...

some will spew just to spew tho.

[Recursion]

21. Hmm... but you share Amelie icons...

Coincidence?

(hey, she's hot; icon her all you want...)

[Essene]

39. hahaha so true

[FredScuttle]

22. Yeah, because Democratic candidates haven't been pandering to those craven ex-Dems who left

because Saint Ronnie promised them a nice neighborhood with no darkies, fags, crazy people, adequately funded public schools, safe drinking water, clean skies, etc.

yeah, that's worked out like a charm.

[Recursion]

31. Yeah, that was it

Moral superiority feels great, doesn't it?

Now try to actually look at these people's choices and give them something they can choose.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Read Obama's book, watch the entire interview, instead of pretending to know

what you don't know.

[Duncan Grant]

23. How do I recognize an "Obama Republican" when I see one?

That's not snark, it's a serious question.

[Recursion]

26. They can be corralled into voting for decent legislation

They're out there. Hell, just talk to people.

[Duncan Grant]

27. We're talking about the electorate, right?

What "legislation" do you believe "Obama Republicans" will support? Where's the leverage?

As a gay American, I'm confident that "Obama Republicans" won't be supporting the issues (or any legislation) I care about. So, I'd like to be persuaded that this is a genius move on the part of the potential Democratic nominee.

[Recursion]

28. No, we're mostly talking about legislators

As a gay American, I'm confident that "Obama Republicans" won't be supporting the issues (or any legislation) I care about.

Really? You don't think Huckabites would trade off full legal "marriage-ish" protections for same-sex couples in return for keeping the word "marriage" meaning what it means to them?

Actually Huckabee is exactly who we need to be looking at: his supporters are mostly the "Obama Republicans" we're talking about. They never really bought into the "government is the problem" mantra, and they can definitely be co-opted on a lot of issues, particularly regarding economics.

[Duncan Grant]

29. But didn't the DLC and the Clintons originate this strategy in the 90s?

Regardless of its origins (or rationale), I'm not as optimistic as you that Republicans of the Obama, Clinton or DLC variety will support the principles of the Democratic Party - as I understand them. I see this election as an opportunity to repudiate the corruption and radical governance forced upon this country. I would prefer the Democratic candidates to aggressive dismantle the Republican ideology of the last 7 (hell, 20) years -- I'd see that as real leadership; one that Democrats could be proud of.

[Recursion]

30. No, Reagan originated it in the 1960's

It was specifically not triangulation (which, in case you've forgotten, Clinton didn't invent: Nixon did. That's why Nixon created the EPA. And NEA.)

I would prefer the Democratic candidates to aggressive dismantle the Republican ideology of the last 7 (hell, 20) years

Reagan essentially undid LBJ's Great Society in his first 100 days.

And he didn't do it by going it alone. He got cross-aisle approval.

If you and an alignment-changing administration (and I do), you have to do that.

[depakid]

32. Wow. Just -wow.

I'd never considered that naivity could be contageous.

[Perry Logan]

37. Instant DUzy!

[Horse with no Name]

40. Spare them the grief

Let their ignorant racist asses stay where they are!