Hillary worked for Goldwater....Obama never worked for Reagan

[Perky]

:shrug:

I could never support anyone who supported either one one them.

Byt Clintos supportere apparently would and will.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. LOL

Apparently they can't take it as well as they dish it out.

[Renew Deal]

2. Hillary was once a republican. Obama has always been a Democrat.

[redqueen]

3. How long ago did Clinton work for Goldwater? How long ago did Obama praise Reagan's talents*?

*without qualifying the statement at all, I should add.



Also, how long ago did he say that the Republican party has been the "party of ideas" since Clinton's first term started?

[rinsd]

4. "I come to DU for lively debates not shouting matches."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4105940

12 minutes. That has to be a new record for hypocrisy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Good Catch

More importantly it gives you a great insight into his character...

[Perky]

58. That is a fair criticism. I am typically not that way

I should not have posted this I apologize.

I like debate... I like substance......I happen to think that this Reagan Obama thing is just vile because it is a non-substantive attack. and I responded in kind. I should not have posted this. I apologize.I should not have.

I wish we would all have a more civil and substantive demeanor.

[Barack_America]

5. That is a valid point...n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Are Obama's Actions At Seventeen Relevant Today Too?

I thought we decided they weren't...

[redqueen]

14. Oooh. Well played. (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Didn't We Just Roast A Billionaire For Suggesting Just That?

~

[TwilightZone]

22. Impressive.

Most impressive.

[Barack_America]

41. Those actions didn't represent a political leaning...

They weren't in the political sphere. Hillary's affiliation with Goldwater is.

And that's all I'm going to say about it, because I really think that it's a non-issue, lest I be held accountable for the stupid shit I did when I was seventeen.

[William769]

6. Hillary was a teenager at the time

She has since been a Democratic first Lady of a State and a Democratic First lady of the U.S. and a current Democratic Senator.

Obama on the other hand is a Democrat running for President in the here and now invoking reagans name and shaming Democrats. In Case You Missed It: In the same interview in which he praised Ronald Reagan, Sen. Obama criticized a generation of Democrats nationwide: "I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

See the difference?

[Benhurst]

10. But the Republicans were the party of ideas --

BAD ideas.

And they still are.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. No.

I don't see any difference. You?

[William769]

I see a big difference.

The quote is right there for you to read.

and here is another one for you to read.

"Good for Clinton for being a "Goldwater Girl"

"I am not being snarky. Good for her for being a politically engaged kid. She was all of 16 at the time she supported him and had grown up in a Republican household. It's just absurd to knock her for this. At the time she was politically active, far fewer kids got involved in politics then a few year later. She wasn't even eligible to vote for another 5 years.

Anyone thinking this is a reason to be suspicious of her, or not vote for her, has completely jumped the shark of reason."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4106138

[truedelphi]

55. I'm no Clinton fan, but she was only sixteen!

When I was twelve, I wanted to be a Green Beret and go to Nam and keep the North Vietnamese from taking control of the whole country.

Four years later, I was anti-war and pro-Eugene McCarthy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. You Don't See Any Difference Between Contemporaneous Actions And Actions Taken Forty Four Years Ago?

Shall we judge Obama too on his actions at seventeen years old?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. No, I think you should just Obama's actions today.

And you should judge fairly. Because if you think him mentioning something favorable about Reagan is bad, no matter how vague, somebody's probably going to bring up this:

“He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York... He’s been affable. He’s been good company.”

-Hillary Clinton (not 17), on George W. Bush

And then you're going to look very dumb.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Fluff

" charm and charisma" , "very affable" "good company"

She could be describing an "escort"...

Obama said Reagan was a transformational president who rid the nation of the excesses of the sixties and seventies....

What excesses? The Civil Rights Act? The Voting Rights Act? The Fair Housing Act, Medicaid?, Medicare, Food Stamps? Affirmative Action? Women's Liberation?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Bush has slaughtered 1.2 million Iraqis.

I'm sorry if you think that's charming.

[William769]

27. Self delete.

Not worth the trouble.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Just to buy body armor.

Because Hillary sent them off to die with out adequate protection.

:rofl:

[William769]

30. Hillary sent them off?

She became President and I wasn't informed?

ON EDIT: did you forget to answer here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4106065&mesg_id=4106171

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. No, she's a Senator.

Who voted in support of invading Iraq. She thought the whole thing was a good idea, apparently.

Personally, I think that makes her unfit to be President.

But then again I, like Obama, have always been against the war in Iraq.

[William769]

34. But still no answer eh?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. What's the question?

[William769]

38. So we are going to play this game again. OK.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. Which question do you want me to answer?

Because all I saw were rhetorical ones.

Do you know what rhetorical means?

[William769]

43. As a matter of fact i do.

Bornaginhooligan.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. That was a rhetorical question.

[William769]

45. But still no answer.

I suggest you take a reading comprehension course.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Still no question.

:shrug:

[William769]

50. it's there, hence your reading comprehension course.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Well then if you really want me to answer it...

is all you have to do is mention where.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Don't Light A Match Near Your Straw Man

You will incinerate the both of you...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Especially when the whole forum is packed full of strawmen.

What's one more?

[polichick]

8. Edwards looks like the best bet for a truly Dem agenda...

Clinton's too hawkish ~ and Obama doesn't seem to understand the Democratic movements of the 60s and 70s.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Sorry, no.

His house is too big.

[polichick]

16. Lol - compared to those other problems, that house ain't looking so bad. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. It's all the same crap.

Obama's Reagan comment = John Edwards big house = Hillary's time with the Young Republicans.

[polichick]

24. For me Hillary's time with the Young Reps is irrelevant...

Too long ago to matter, and young people are just finding their place anyway. Her vote on Iran and relationship with the Israel lobby are a whole other thing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Yes, it's all irrelevant.

[polichick]

29. Hardly. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Right, right.

John Edwards' big house is very relevant.

:eyes:

[polichick]

42. Not necessarily...

But Clinton's Iran vote is very relevant ~ and so is Obama's misunderstanding of the Dem movements of the 60s and 70s. Apples and Oranges.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. Obama's misunderstanding of Dem movements of the 60s and 70s?

Is that like Edwards' expensive haircut?

[polichick]

51. I hope you're just kidding...

If you don't get the difference between these issues in terms of potential policy decisions, you have lots of reading to do. Best of luck...

[aquart]

13. Another one of those he wasn't there for it deals?

Good luck trying that one on.

[Zynx]

18. Get a life.

I've had it with these dishonest arguments.

[oasis]

19. Grasping at straws to cover for Obama's "Reagan Love". As Hillary would say,

"pathetic".

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Is that what Hillary would say?

Not this?

“He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York....He’s been affable. He’s been good company.”

[Pathwalker]

37. Goldwater wouldn't be ALLOWED to be a Republican today -

they threw him under the bus decades ago for not being conservative enough. If Hillary's actions as a youth are relevant today, then so are Obama's.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

49. Exactly, Goldwater was a moderate

And that sure isn't the case with Reagan, the far-right prototype for Bush.

[totodeinhere]

48. I'm an Obama supporter, but...

I am not going to hold something that happened forty years ago against Hillary.

I wonder how many DU members were Republicans at one time before they saw the light. Should they all be banned?

Arianna Huffington was a conservative Republican twenty years ago. Now she is one of the preeminent progressive voices in the country. But should we crucify her for what she believed twenty years ago?

Markos Moulitsas of the Daily Kos was a conservative Republican during the late 80's. And I could add many more to the list.

Instead of criticizing people for their wrong headed views that they held many years ago, we should be congratulating them that they finally saw the light and came over to the progressive side.

[alfredo]

52. Former smokers are the most ardent tobacco foes.

[peacetalksforall]

54. Perky - are you 'youthful'. There is such a thing as judging the past

through the eyes of youth without the context and without looking at evolvement.

I am not a Clinton supporter, but I get ticked when I see this. Know who else does that - Michelle Malkin.

[Bethoven77]

56. Hillary was only a teenager. Obama's Reagan comments occured days ago

People here are ignoring how old Hillary was when this Goldwater thing happened.
Do you think Barry Goldwater's ACLU ratings would resembled Hillary's historical rating?

Let me remind you that Hillary the teenager is not running for president.
Obama's drug use is irrelevant for that same reason: It happened way too long ago and he does not act that way anymore.

[Auntie Bush]

57. I wonder what Obama was is kindergarten?

Sorry, just being a smart ass!