Claiming a 6% loss as a win because of delegates is really desperate

[Herman Munster]

It also plays into everything the Clinton's have said that the Nevada caucus system was corrupt and fixed and not democratic.

[jackson_dem]

1. It is as absurd as Bush claiming he had a mandate in 2000

[boston bean]

2. Well, that is obvious, that is the truth. nt

[MadBadger]

3. Go talk to Howard Wolffson.

[Renew Deal]

4. Worked for Bush

:shrug:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. and wait til regular voters hear it not just political junkies. Obama = sour grapes

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Herman, is the point of primarys not to win delegates?

nt

[Herman Munster]

9. if you want to play the delegate game

Hillary wins Nevada.

15-13 as she has more superdelegates.

So let's talk about delegates.

Hillary wins.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Lets talk about delegates, Super Delegates aren't bound to anyone.

The same cannot be said about delegates won in a primary. Nice try, but you argument hold NO water at all.

[JackORoses]

19. your superdelegate jargon is getting old

They have nothing to do with what happened today.

You just can't stand that your victory was snatched away by the voters of Nevada.
So Sorry!

[HughMoran]

11. It was 13-12 a minute ago, now it's 12-13!

Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner
Clinton 5,318 51% 12 Winner
Obama 4,731 45% 13
Edwards 393 4% 0
Uncommitted 31 0% 0
Kucinich 5 0% 0
Richardson 0 0% 0

Weird!

[stray cat]

7. delegates are what win the primary

kind of like the popular vote doesn't decide the presidency

[sunonmars]

8. Yup gonna sound desperate

besides in a straight vote in the GE, you can't say, hey i won by being 6% behind.

I'm fully convinced Obama's lot are a desperate sad arrogant bunch.

[Capn Sunshine]

12. Scoreboard!

That's us, desperados

My compliments to the Clinton campaign on a great ground game. We designed ours to win delegates, thinking that a victory would be a logical outcropping of this.

Guess we were wrong. Sort of.

[JackORoses]

21. Hillary had the Party machine turned up to the max in Vegas

so she was able to bring out numbers

but Obama's victory in delegates tells us that the times are a-changin'.
The Old Party Machine is not our only option any longer.
There is a New Game in Town.

Gobama!!!

[HeraldSquare212]

13. The same thing can happen in other states, too, though

NY awards delegates by congressional districts. A candidate could win a bunch of districts by one vote and lose a few by a lot of votes. They'd come in second in statewide votes, but win the delegate counts. No one has ever complained about that that I recall.

[featherman]

14. Duh... of course. Guess we should just hang our hats and cry

because Obama won more delegates than Clinton. Clinton won big in Clark County to get her statewide majority. But Obama's strength statewide is justly rewarded with a win in delegate count. Sounds good to me. I'll take what I can get. You should be happy to crow about your headlines and popular majority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229219

[Tulkas]

15. Popular vote trumps Delegate count

And I am an Obama supporter

[Joe the Revelator]

18. If not for delegates, the popular vote has no purpose.

[HeraldSquare212]

25. They weight different areas to encourage turnout in those areas.

As a party-building exercise. I would never go for that in the general election, but the primaries are partly about building the party for the general election.

[Cameron27]

16. Those are non binding delegates I think,

it's a projection of how they might vote. Something like that.

[JackORoses]

24. no, those are pledged delegates

NV has another 8 unpledged that decide at the Convention

[Orangepeel]

17. No it isn't.

especially since Obama's "extra" delegate came from the rural areas, not the strip.

But regardless of where the delegates came from, a candidate needs to win them to be the nominee. It would be nice if it was not necessary to work the system to be elected, but it is. In the general election, we need a candidate who can win electoral votes.

Hillary Clinton ought to be really good at working the system, but it looks like Obama can hold his own.

[Maribelle]

20. Nevada delagates will be chosen April 18-20

Details of the Nominating Process

Democrats
January 19, 2008

Caucus (Closed)
33 delegates at stake
On Jan. 19, party caucuses meet in each precinct to choose delegates to county conventions. The delegates selected are not bound to any candidate. At the county conventions on Feb. 23, delegates to the state convention are chosen. They are not bound to any candidate. The state convention is April 18-20, during which delegates choose 25 of the 33 delegates to the national convention. Sixteen of the 25 delegates are allocated proportionally to presidential candidates based on the support for the candidates in each of the state’s three Congressional districts. Nine delegates are allocated to candidates based on the support among all of the delegates attending the convention. The remaining eight unpledged delegates are chosen from party leaders.

[Caseman]

22. Boo hoo!

No one cried when all of the "second-tier" candidates were picked off in the ludicrous Iowa caucus system. Save your crocodile tears on people who give a damn...

[gdaerin]

23. Ok this is retarded, Hillary WON, Obama Got 1 more delegate

do I need to define the term won for you? She got more votes! Look, I am an Obama supporter too, but he lost today, I'm not really dissapointed, he came in really close, and I wouldn't count him out yet,

But, it's clear, Hillary won today, like Gore won in 2000

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Your definition of "won" is wrong

The only purpose of voting is to award delegates. Whoever is awarded the most delegates, wins.

[Essene]

27. Holding out a 6% gerrymandered "win" when you lost on delegates is desperate