SO confused! Who the hell won?!!

[gdaerin]

Obama got 1 more delegate because of the way votes were weighted right? Rural votes were worth more right? And, these votes were weighted to make the outcome more fair, so if Obama really did win more delegates, then he won, right?

I can't believe I'm saying this, and I'm not trying to make people mad, but the Nevada democratic party decided on these rules a long time ago, and, well it seems like they've worked out to Obama's advantage in this case.

[MadBadger]

1. Hillary won.

[dkf]

3. Hillary may be winning the spin. BUT..,

the reality is, Obama should get more delegates than Clinton.

I know you are trying to be gracious, but these are the cockamamie rules in Nevada.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Obama won

its all about delegates.

[jlake]

24. Yet the delegates will not be determined until Feb 23, and will NOT

be based the way that the Obama campaign is claiming..... you bought into Axelrod's Rovian lies.... Obama did NOT win....

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. it was close

he did not win the pop vote but in delegates so far ......but as you say not until Feb 23

[Pyrzqxgl]

4. The People Lost

[jackson_dem]

5. You are right

:(

[Barack_America]

12. I agree there. These caucuses are bad news.

The stories from those who "voted" today have convinced me of that.

[TankLV]

35. The caucuses STINK - that's for sure...

NOT the way to go...IMO...

[K Gardner]

28. Bingo.

[Onlooker]

6. If you believe Gore won, then you should believe Clinton won

Obama may (or may not) have won more delegages, but Clinton won the popular vote. If NV has an unfair delegate system that's another matter.

[gdaerin]

17. yes I do agree with that.

But, these rules were decided on by all the parties involved, so you really can't discount the system.

In my opinion, Gore was robbed of his presidency by the Supreme court more than the whole pop. vote vs. delegates awarded, but I could be remembering it all wrong!

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. Clinton won 51% to 45%.

Anything else is just spin by sorelooserman.

[gdaerin]

8. I can already tell this debate is going to be dominating the DU boards for Days! n/t

[Barack_America]

9. If Obama received more delegates, then technically he won.

The popular vote is less meaningful in a caucus. A caucus win really is determined by the number of delegates won.

[Kucinich4America]

10. It's a tie

So in that case it should go to Kucinich. :)

[Unsane]

11. Obama won more delegates.

[jillan]

15. The delegates aren't assigned for months.

[ORDagnabbit]

13. the corporations.... n/t

[ccpup]

14. Hillary won the Caucus, Axelrod is spinning like a top for Obama

and the delegates won't be decided for another few months per Nevada rules and regulations.

[silverweb]

16. It's confusing, for sure.

It seems Clinton won in votes but Obama won in delegates. What significance that has as to who really "won" I hesitate to say, but I guess I'd call it a tie.

Whodathunk 20 years ago that a woman and an African-American man would be tied for first place, way ahead of any other candidates, in the race to be POTUS...

...and that either one is likely to mop the floor with any reTHUG candidate in the GE?

That's a :woohoo: for sure!

[MH1]

18. Well...in one sense, Obama won just because you are asking the question.

Hillary was supposed to have Nevada in the bag. Now even if it turns out that the delegate count didn't go to Obama after all (even though by now WaPo, AP, CNN, and MSNBC have all bought it), just the fact that it's that close, is a "moral victory" for Obama at the very least.

Since most of us Obama supporters (to my knowledge) were expecting Clinton to win, this FEELS like an Obama win. I'd be happier with him winning the vote count, but as it is he did a lot better than expected. If he won the delegate count too, that's gravy.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. It feels like a Clinton win and makes Obama look worse

more rookie mistakes.

[DURHAM D]

19. They just reconfirmed on MSNBC that the delegate count is unknown.

It will not be decided for months yet. So far we just have delegates to the state convention.

Obama's folks are spinning like a top.

[tabatha]

26. But the delegates from the Iowa caucus are known????

I think it is six of one and half a dozen of the other.

The delegates from the Nevada caucuses are known - Obama +1.
But not all of the super-delegates have committed, and won't be known for months.

[gdaerin]

30. What about NH are those also not known? n/t

[DURHAM D]

32. Every state party moves delegates ahead differently.

In Iowa the caucus process was to select delegates to the County convention. The delegates that go forward from the County to the State convention may vary a little, maybe not. From the State to the National convention it can change again, or not.

The count from Nevada is not known - it is just spin. May work out the way the Obama camp is stating - it may not.

In some states delegates for lesser candidates (like Edwards) may be released from supporting him after the County convention -or maybe after the State convention.

Note: Some states probably call the conventions by different terms.

[JackORoses]

21. The only reason for the Caucus is to award delegates

Based on that it is pretty easy to see who won.

Fortunately the delegates are weighted so that the rest of has as much of a say a Las Vegas does.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. Caucuses equal bad foreplay. I believe the entire setup stinks to

high heaven. When you have a boxing match, the opponents don't get in the ring and slap each other in the face for several hours before the fight. So it should be with this bloated, tainted, overweight, wasteful, bodacious and ridiculous system we use for deciding who we are going to hire to watch over our stuff. It's just plain silly, but it does get good ratings for the advertisers.

[okasha]

23. Hillary won.

51% to 45%.

No one has any Nevada delegates yet. Nevada apparently has a rather convoluted multi-tier system of assigning delegates, which won't play out until sometime in April.

[NoPasaran]

25. It's a tie. Clinton twelve, Obama twelve

And one for Lee Mercer, Jr.

[StevieM]

27. In 1992 Bill Clinton lost Connecticut to Jerry Brown

but I believe he got more delegates. NOBODY called Clinton the winner. It was universally regarded as a win for Brown.

Barak lost Nevada. Period. And this attempt to pretend he won is embarrassing. He lost fair and square--he should do the right thing and concede.

Steve

[Renew Deal]

29. Tell it to Al Gore

Considering the nature of the primary you're right, but I think the Obama people should bring up major electability questions.

[gdaerin]

31. Ok, well in 1992 I was 12!

Maybe if I had been more into politics then I would know this, sorry!

[TankLV]

33. DEMOCRATS won!

Fight hard everyone.

Don't give up.

Participate. Participate. Participate.

And don't forget to VOTE!!!!

See you in the fall and ON TO VICTORY!!!

[gdaerin]

34. ok, good, Yay!!! n/t