Obama supporters do him no favors by crying dirty tricks, vote fraud, racism

[Herman Munster]

If they pull this shit during a general election campaign, we'll lose in a landslide to McCain.

It's embarassing to watch. Obama's biggest problem may be getting his grassroots supporters in line. Dean had similar problems with his troops in 2004.

[BootinUp]

1. agreed.nt

[robbedvoter]

2. Good observation. Obama supporters remind me of some Dean supporters.

Except dean supporters were never put in the position to defend raygun.

[2rth2pwr]

7. They have the same look in their eyes, the only thing missing is orange hats. nt

[robbedvoter]

34. Yup remember how they messed up Florida convention - screaming while other

candidates were speaking? Did NOT win Dean any supporters - especially as the thing was televised on C-Span. MSM thinks it was the "Scream". I say, it was the rudeness of the supporters.

[2rth2pwr]

61. And I think they were bussed into Iowa with the same behaviour. nt

[BadgerLaw2010]

36. Based on the NH vote by county, they ARE many of the same people.

[Tulkas]

3. sounds like Bush's defense

Don't say those things about the President!! You damage the Presidency!!! (even if they are true, about Bush)

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If these allegations have no basis in fact then it is better to put them to bed now, before the general election.

[robbedvoter]

50. Au contraire - this is about supporters, not critics of someone

being very arrogant and obnoxious - whether on the net or in real world, may make you guys feel good when in groups, but it turns other off your candidate.

[Skwmom]

4. Maybe you should have a talk with the Clinton campaign. Their win at all cost primary

campaign will destroy the Democratic Party and lead to a Republicans win in the general election. To blame the grassroots supporters for the dirty campaigning of the Clinton party is ridiculous.

[aquart]

13. You mean Hillary's strong, well-organized campaign?

We want a chief executive who's prepared and competent.

Shockingly, she knew in advance that a woman has to be ten times better than a man in any job that goes female for the first time. So she got ready.

Dontcha just hate that?

[Skwmom]

15. Running a dirty, disgusting campaign does not

make one prepared or competent. Voting for the worst debacle in U.S. History does not equate to competence. Besides the war vote, the Clintons pushed global trade without including worker rights or environmental protections. So tell me, are the Clintons just stupid (b/c any idiot could see where this was going to lead) or without moral compass?

[niceypoo]

20. Obama is the most divisive Democrat in history

and your post is typical of why he is so divisive. His supporters never tout him, instead preferring to smear others, as if it makes a case for him.

[Tulkas]

29. again, this sounds like the Bush defense

Face it, they tried to suppress the vote in Iowa with the collage kids, then their people filed a lawsuit to suppress the caucus in Nevada.


Voter suppression is against everything this party, and this nation should stand for.

You can't argue the facts, these things happened. Pointing it out is not an unfair attack, nor is it an attempt to be devise. It is simply stating the facts.

If you don't like it then get the Clintons to stop doing it.


You honestly believe Obama supporter never tout him? we would be glad to flood this thread with "touts" if you like. That is the easy part.

[Skwmom]

38. Obama could unite this country. The Clintons and Bushes are the most

divisive Democrat/Republican in history.

Do you actually believe this lie?

[girl gone mad]

21. Truthfully, they're both playing dirty.

Justly or unjustly, Obama seems to be paying the greater price for it.

[Skwmom]

39. And just how is Obama playing dirty?

[girl gone mad]

58. Sending his wife out..

to push the "fairy tale" meme was pretty damn low.

[Skwmom]

45. Smear? It's a FACT that Clinton voted for the worst foreign policy debacle in

U.S. History. It's a FACT that the Clintons pushed global trade without including worker rights or environmental protections.

[TheWraith]

16. Right. And the Swift Boat Veterans were just a wise campaign strategy.

If you don't recognize the precedent you're setting, then you're willfully blinding yourself.

[niceypoo]

19. More baseless hysterics

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Skwmom]

40. Baseless hysterics? What primary have you been watching?

[HughMoran]

53. Wanting to win is bad?

weird

[madrchsod]

5. don`t worry he`ll be gone soon

"But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama

we`ll be having another special election in illinois

[terisan]

6. I was fascinated to find that Rezko (through Rezmar) even has a nuclear power plant deal in Iraq.

This guy is everywhere.

[Tulkas]

10. Hillary can't attack on that.. one word.. CHINA

News dump on a 3 day weekend. It will come up in the next debate and that should be that.

[jillan]

8. As someone that doesn't have a candidate, it is a real turn off.

[zulchzulu]

9. If there is voter fraud, racism or dirty tricks involving any campaign, do you want to know?

What about recounts? Bad if your candidate won already? Sounds familiar...

If the issues are valid and verifiable, then it shouldn't matter whose campaign it's coming from. Right?

I look at any story about such issues objectively and that's not going to hurt anyone's candidacy.

[Levgreee]

11. Yet Hilary supporters do the same?

Bill Clinton does the same?

[aquart]

12. You're asking? You're hoping.

All we have to do is respond to your lying smears.

Goodness, all the terrible things Hillary did to those poor union workers AND THEY WENT AND VOTED FOR HER.

I guess everybody is dumber than Obama supporters.

[incapsulated]

14. Amazing isn't it? Those oppressed union workers....

Went and voted for Hillary... she must be using some sort of evil mind control, now, is there NO END TO HER DEVIOUS WAYS???

[Egnever]

22. Good thing she lost her lawsuit eh?

Almost screwed herself badly there.

[ellisonz]

17. You sound like a Republican.

[niceypoo]

18. They are hysterical crybabies

They come unglued at the slightest bump in the road. Everything is a conspiracy and the sky is always falling. Could you imagine these people in a general election?

[cali]

23. You NEVER

ever do any favors for Clinton. You epitomize sore loser when she loses and sore winner when she wins. YOU post nothing but negative false shit day in and day out, and YOU have the cluelessness to lecture anyone???

:rofl:

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Herman.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. Obama's supporters on DU do him few favours of any kind.

There are a hell of a lot of assholes in the Clinton and Edwards camps, but the Obama camp is noticeably worse than either of them.

[Iceburg]

25. Very true. They need to get off the boards and get out canvassing for their candidate

where they might do some good.

Both Hillary's and Edward's campaigners know that is the person-person contact/door to door canvassing that will make the difference, not preaching to the entrenched (and many freeper interlopers) here at DU.

[Skwmom]

46. I'm sure the Clintons have their paid bloggers working the boards so

obviously they think it must serve some purpose.

[Jamastiene]

26. It won't take that long for them to totally be out of line.

They'll riot if he doesn't get the nomination. They already act like they are itching to become violent even if you dare disagree with Obama invoking Reagan. They act like this is riot foreplay instead of an election cycle. They've even brought out tar and feathers already.

Like we really need to dig those graves up and play with the zombies of our hideous past. Change? That's not moving forward. That's digging up more reasons to add more hate into the atmosphere, where there should be none. Disagree? Yes. Hate? No.

With that much vitriol and nastiness they are sending out, I'm putting in for absentee ballot and mailing my shit in, if there is anything left worth voting for. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

[Adelante]

30. "They'll riot if he doesn't get the nomination."

Who is they?

[Jamastiene]

33. Many of the Obama supporters who can't seem to

settle down and quit being so over the top and in people's faces. I hate the thought of even having to walk past the candidates' booths to vote at this point. I'm definitely going with absentee this year so I can avoid voter intimidation.

[Adelante]

35. Fascinating

They already act like they are itching to become violent even if you dare disagree with Obama invoking Reagan. They act like this is riot foreplay instead of an election cycle. They've even brought out tar and feathers already.

Like we really need to dig those graves up and play with the zombies of our hideous past.

You :scared: me.

[Jamastiene]

55. The feeling is mutual.

See what happens when you invoke Reagan. All sorts of bad shit starts happening. It's like The Exorcist all over again. No priest can stop the influx of bad energy now.

[Skwmom]

48. Talk about race baiting..... So it's okay for the Clintons to play hardball, and

for Bill Clinton to get all red in the face with his phony outrage?

I'm beginning to see why so many people are so strongly against the Clintons. They really do offend a persons sense of decency.

[Jamastiene]

56. I never said the Clintons were blameless.

Personally, I wish Edwards stood more of a chance to get his point across, but he's been silenced by all the Republican rhetoric being hurled around. I do wish the Democratic Party wasn't so infiltrated with DINOs right now.

[JTFrog]

27. And you do Democracy no favors by diverting attention from her lawsuit to disenfranchise voters! n/t

[Perry Logan]

28. The Obama supporters at DU have done irreparable damage to the party with their endless lies.

Thread after thread has appeared, accusing Hillary, her campaign, and anyone who doesn't hate Hillary of all sorts of crimes. These accusations are invariably debunked, usually within a few replies.

But the Obama supporters ignore the debunkings and go on smearing their opponents, repeating themselves over and over again, like nothing so much as wingers. They obviously accept as true any accusations made against the Clinton camp--and make up fresh accusations of their own, to boot. It's a classic example of how NOT to practice politics.

[JTFrog]

32. Not as irreperable as turning your back on war votes and voter dis·en·fran·chise·ment.

As long as your candidate is eventually crowned, eh?

Flashes of 2000 all over again and we have a whole new demographic with their heads in the punch bowl.

[Skwmom]

41. It's the conduct of the Clinton campaign which has damaged this party.

The Clintons and their supporters can spin it all they want - it won't change the fact that MANY people will be sitting it out come November.

[ronnykmarshall]

51. and Obama supporters are so warm and charming!

[HughMoran]

54. It is annoying to the point of being disgusting

How come they can't see how much they're turning people off?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

31. Yeah yeah yeah.

And Clinton supporters don't do themselves any favors by crying dirty tricks (voter intimidation!), vote fraud (busing in students!) or sexism. Both camps are as guilty as fucking sin of accusing the other of exactly the same sort of shit in which they themselves are engaged. Congratulations to both Clinton and Obama supporters on here for absolutely turning me off to anything at all that you might have to say.

[mrmx9]

37. Bill Clinton Started this - Why not blame him!

[x-g.o.p.er]

42. Unless, of course, it's true. n/t

[ProSense]

43. See Bill cry

fraud!

[matcom]

44. people with opposing candidate avatars shouldn't post bullshit

it makes your bullshit even less believable than normal bullshit

[robbedvoter]

49. delete

[citizen snips]

47. Was anyone watching CNN yesterday?

The Obama supporters turned the caesars palace caucus site into a screaming match.

[Arkana]

52. Where have we heard this before?

Oh yes--I forgot. This was Bush 2000's defense!

[David Zephyr]

57. Another Herman Munster OP about race.

Can you say obsessed?

[Bonobo]

59. You know...

Some posters just can't be taken seriously. Perhaps, to some, I am one of them. I don't know.

I think I make at least one fair post for every crappy, unthinking, slimy one I do.

Maybe, Herman, you should consider upping your percentage. Because when I see your name on a post, I am almost certain it will be a piece of shit opinion with no merit.

[BenDavid]

60. The problem is Obama does nothing to stop this, and obama

knowing full well that neither clinton is a racist.....keeps this crap going and now he wants to call out bill clinton for some lie he thinks the big dawg said about his positions....Well Mr Obama, I am sure that all you have to do is name the time, name the place and the Big Dawg will show up, and maybe this could be pay per view and we will see you get your ass handed to you.....All you have done Mr Obama is get yo ass JUKED.....you got trapped by your own ego in trying to defend yourself when in reality there is no need too.....but go ahead.....and while yo ass is out there hollering at the wind, HRC will stand back and watch you implode.....

If you going to get all this upset by Bill Clinton misrepresenting you then you going to be really, and I mean really upset when the republican slime machine comes after you, (that is if you or in the race after MARCH 11, 2008)