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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:14 AM
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HNN reports, they cut cards for a delegate in Nevada
They said that the Clinton rep cut a queen of hearts and the Obama rep cut a ten of spades. So Clinton got the extra delegate.


If the cut had gone the other way Obama would have won by 2 delegates.


This really was a close contest.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:16 AM
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1. This shows how much nonsense caucuses are
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:17 AM
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2. can't argue that
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:41 AM
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4. You got something right... eom
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:27 AM
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21. Seriously, how would you handle this?
You have 16 people in a room. Eight for one candidate and eight for another. The winner gets a delegate. No one wants to change to the other candidate. How do you decide?

As long as everyone agrees that a coin toss or card draw is sufficient - and it was allowed by the rules ahead of time - what's wrong with that procedure?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:26 AM
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3. How frighteningly appropriate for Nevada.
Lovely story.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:15 AM
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5. That's perfectly normal
but I doubt it was for a national delegate - it was far more likely to be for a state delegate.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:40 AM
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7. I think it was for state delegate
They don't elect National Delegates until the convention in April.

And it is perfectly normal to decide a delegate this way. Here in Maine we flip a coin or whatever both sides agree to use. (Also for state delegate positions in a dead heat.)
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:50 AM
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6. I'm beginning to wonder about Nevda.
When do they pull out the roulette wheels?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:41 AM
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8. Clinton Rep - David Blaine
Obama never had a chance.

:)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:48 AM
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9. What?
No 'rock, paper, scissors' like Iowa? No flipping a coin? :sarcasm:

Nice to see people take elections for the leader of the free world so seriously.:sarcasm: :eyes:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:53 AM
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10. Was that for a state delegate or a national delegate?
It makes a big difference. All of the local "votes" were translated into about 10,000 state delegates (I believe that's the term). these state delegates in turn will turn around and become national delegates, with 13 going to Obama and 12 to Clinton.

So does the article mention if this was one of the 10,000 delegates? My thinking from, what people who worked the caucuses have said, is that it's one of the 10,000 state delegates.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:54 AM
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11. Yes, state delegate
NV elects national Delegates in April.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:17 AM
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15. Sorry, it was to the county conventions in February. (n/t)
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:19 AM
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16. My mistake, sorry
I didn't realize they had county conventions.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:25 AM
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20. Say, one or two weeks ago someone posted links to this important infomation.
Thanks - - whomever you are!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:17 AM
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14. Neither.
It was for delegates to the county conventions.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:11 AM
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12. It is not true that Obama has one more delegate than Hillary, to begin with
There is only one truth we know regarding delegates this morning. And it is a truth from the State of Nevada, not the bumbling, babbling, mind numbing spit of CNN and MSNBC, or the like.

As of this morning, with 98.07% of the counties reporting, the State of Nevada posts that Hillary has 582 more delegates attending the county conventions on Feb 23rd than Obama has.

STATEWIDE TOTAL (Hillary) 5355 50.71% (Obama) 4773 45.19% http://www.nvdems08.com/

5355 - 4773 = 582

County convention This means that in the county conventions, Hillary has potentially 582 more people choosing delegates to the state convention that could be taking her side. Obama has not won anything regarding delegates.

State convention Those delegates chosen at at the country level will participate in the selection of delegates to the nation convention. 16 of those will be based on the support the candidates received in the three congressional districts. This fact appears to be 32,000 feet over the heads of CNN, MSNBC, and all the yelpers that claim Obama won one more delegate.

9 more will be allocated by the delegates selected at the county level, in which Hillary is now favored.
8 more will be allocated by the party leaders, in which Hillary is now favored.



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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:19 AM
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17. So you are denying that rural areas are weighted more than urban areas?
:shrug:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:22 AM
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19. No. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with weighting.
I truly do not have a clue has to how the total number of delegates for each voting area was derived.

All I know for a fact is that Hillary has 582 more of those delegates than Obama has this morning.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:16 AM
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13. By the way, if what you say is true about the card cutting ....
it would only be related to the delegates that were going to the county conventions. As of this morning with 98.07% of the counties reporting, Hillary has 582 more delegates than Obama has attending the county conventions on Feb 23rd.



So if what you say is true about the card cutting, Hillary would only have 581 more than Obama.


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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:22 AM
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18. THE DECK WAS MARKED!!!
:sarcasm:
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