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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:45 AM
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Poll question: Obama supporters ONLY! Deep down inside, do you understand that you lost yesterday?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:50 AM
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I will take the Delegate count over the poplular vote any day
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:51 AM by Perky
It is not so much about that one delegate it completely about perception. It also highlighs the cact that every delgate is going to count when we get to Denver.

I don't dismiss Hillary's PV win but it cetainly is diminishies and we will take that split decision into South Carolina.


After SC no one will care about Nevada anyway.


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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:50 AM
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1. Dupe
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:50 AM by Perky
It is not so much about that one delegate it comp0letely about perception. It also highlighs the cact that every delgate is going to count when we get to Denver.

I don't dismiss Hillary's PV win but it cetainly is diminishies and we will take that split decision into South Carolina.


After SC no one will care about Nevada anyway.


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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:54 AM
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2. GDP is for everyone
If you want to address a specific camp, please use the appropriate group forums. I have seen several threads that want to address a specific group in GDP, and it only begs for invasion by a rival camp.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:55 AM
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3. Go away officer
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:56 AM
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4. Clinton was the total favorite in this state, with the Reid machine behind her.
I am sure that this was a great help for her. It was expected for Hillary to win NV and many Obama supporters had acknowledged that in the last few days, including Obama.

However, she did less well than the latest Nevada poll seemed to show, and it is probably linked to Edwards supporters making clear what their preference went to, hence Edwards' s dysmall score.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:56 AM
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5. LOL!!
you are a piece of work! At least you provide some amusement.

:rofl:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:57 AM
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6. Do you understand how Democracy lost when that so called winner tried to
disenfranchise the voters of Nevada?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:14 AM
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7. kick for a prime example
of the type of sore winner post I wrote about. This is a the very definition of a sore winner. Good Job Clintonian!
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:18 AM
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8. Exactly, I am done with DU
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:46 AM
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19. IMO, that's the objective of noise like this - to turn people off
and have them just walk away. The clogging up of DU with Reagan nonsense had the same objective.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:22 AM
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:19 AM
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9. I still say we tied
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:19 AM
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10. Do you have any understanding of how politics work?
ANY?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:20 AM
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11. Do you really have to ask?
Res ipsa, baby, res ipsa!

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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:25 AM
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14. LOL!
perfect! :thumbsup:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:23 AM
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13. If I learned one thing from Bush v. Gore it is that the
system has idiosyncrasies. The nominating process is about delegates and the delegates in this case are allocated to allow all areas to be represented.

Obama got more than Hillary.

When I was calculating electoral votes for the last few elections, I thought it was not right but that is how it goes.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:29 AM
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15. Of course - unless it comes down to a close delegate count
in which case delegate numbers is what it will all come down to... Al Gore won in 2000 as well in terms of the popular vote but Bush took office.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:30 AM
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16. It's crap like this
that makes me glad of two things; I don't have a vested interest in a primary candidate and I am not swimming in the vortex that is primary season at DU where the degree of Heather-ish behavior displayed would shame any group of Mean Girls at any high school in the country.

Julie
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:34 AM
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17. Da, da, dunk, dunk, dunk...another one bites the dust
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 09:34 AM by 48percenter
Ignore User.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:42 AM
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18. Oh no, I'm crushed
:sarcasm:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:18 AM
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21. did you really think you were going to receive
accolades for this rancid bit of flamebait, Bitlir?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:11 AM
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20. The Truth Is In The Middle, Of Course
Clinton won the popular vote, but Obama won the delegates. The popular vote is very, very nice for PR - but you can ask President Gore about the delegate thing.

Obama also came from way, way behind. Clinton's drop over the past few weeks is stunning.

Finally, the Clintons won by continuing to do bad stuff. This tends to accumulate over time.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:56 AM
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22. Go away, sore winner
Yes, Hillary won. You don't need to rub my face in it. I didn't rub anyone's face in Obama's Iowa win. It looks like you're going to get your way so stop crying about it. And don't cry to me when she tries to pretend she's more conservative than McCain in the general campaign.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:59 AM
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23. Riddle me this Lirwin
Whats the purpose of the primary? Do we take each candidate's popular vote total, add it all up and august and give the nomination to whoever got the most votes, or does our system use Delegates?

If you answer that truthfully, you'll understand why Hillary lost yesterday. In a system where delegates are the only prize, whoever wins the most, wins the primary.

Why is that so hard to understand.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:08 PM
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27. Wolsh, if Obama wins by a single delegate, then I'll be happy to admit that he won
However, at this point in the game, media attention & media perception are a thousand times more important than a single delegate. Also, we're talking about who *won*, not who got the prize.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:01 PM
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24. Obama lost just as much as Bush did in 2000.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:02 PM
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25. Present. Clinton edged Obama again, and I haven't spun either.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 PM
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26. What does "lost" mean? This isn't football.
It's a means of selecting delegates to a national convention. HRC won some sort of vaguely defined majority in Clark County and it is hailed as a win by the MSM. In that sense, the one of "horse race" perception, HRC won and Barack Obama lost.

But Barack Obama gained enough to make thing less clear cut by winning a majority of the Nevada vote outside Clark County and, apparently, this broader strength may convert to a possible win in the delegate race. So it's neither a clear win or a clear loss. And we all move on.

I am not sure why HRC supporters are so insistent that we must cringe and kneel like vanquished foes. It was what it was and insurgent campaigns do what they do: survive, take what they can, and live to fight another day.





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