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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:06 PM
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Misgivings about Hillary Clinton.
I've been supporting Edwards, so until yesterday, I haven't really analyzed my feelings about HRC. Now, if I will be presented with a choice between HRC and Obama, which it looks like I will, I've been trying to figure out why it will be so difficult for me to vote for her...I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but it will be difficult. Here is what I've come up with:

- I can't think about Hillary without thinking about Bill and when I think about Bill, I think about what a huge disappointment he was. I sat out his last election because I was so disgusted with his behavior.

- Hillary Clinton talks about her 35 years of experience in government...and when she says that, I think about Bill again. I also think that most of that "experience" comes from being Bill's wife, not really striking out on her own. I know she has been a great Senator and I think I would feel differently if she had waited to run and put more time in as a Senator making her own record rather than running on his.

- There is just something about HRC that says "business as usual" in Washington.

- Her position on getting out of Iraq and dealing with Iran is just awful to me.

- There is something that is wooden and phoney about HRC which I don't detect in the other Dem candidates...

- Maybe I am expecting more from HRC because she is a woman, I don't know, if so, so be it.

Please don't flame me, I'm just trying to vet my feelings about this and, believe me, I have no ulterior motives.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 PM
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1. I wouldn't worry to much, I don't foresee Hillary getting any blow jobs.
:toast:
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 PM
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Might be refreshing if she did...real equality of the sexes!
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:25 PM
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7. Or giving.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:09 PM
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2. don't forget
her relationship with Tata and other outsourcers and her relationship with Walmart. This is my biggest problem with her, she doesn't even acknowledge we have a problem with high paying jobs vanishing.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 PM
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3. I agree with most of what you say, except I don't believe she's been a 'great' senator
she's been a DLC shill, supporting the march to fascism all the way, IMO.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:17 PM
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6. the millions of people in New York State disagree with you
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:13 PM
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4. She still supports NAFTA....
I still hear that SUCKING SOUND!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:16 PM
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5. to help you out with the following snippet --
"Hillary Clinton talks about her 35 years of experience in government...and when she says that, I think about Bill again. I also think that most of that "experience" comes from being Bill's wife, not really striking out on her own. I know she has been a great Senator and I think I would feel differently if she had waited to run and put more time in as a Senator making her own record rather than running on his."

allow me to offer this:

Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

She was appointed chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee in 1978, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

She also chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system, fighting a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare, as well as successfully seeking to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

She also worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

...

one can't deny that she worked her heart out to make whatever she touched successful. And many, many women, children and military personnel have her intelligence, hard work, firm grasp of policy and ability to work with lawmakers from both parties to thank for better health care and education.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:26 PM
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8. Thank you for outlining this. I knew she was active with these
things but here's my problem: I had a law partner who did many of the same things for children, the poor and vets and immigrants in MA...I don't see how that would make her, or HRC, ready to be Commander in Chief. When HRC talkes about her experience, it is often in terms of the threats we face from foreign terrorists...I just don't see where her track record is on that. Of course, having said that, I'm not sure any of the candidates have any real experience in this...maybe Richardson.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:45 PM
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9. My partner - also an attorney --
works with similar organizations, but he doesn't do it on either a State or Federal level. I think the difference between Hillary and someone like Obama may be that what she accomplished with State, Local and Federal Government as well as the policy hoops one has to intelligently and expertly (not to mention with great determination) jump through and navigate affected constituents on a State -- and then National -- level. It also set up the model which future politicians and Administrations worked with, expanded on and may follow to this day.

As for being ready to be Commander in Chief, I don't know how anyone can be "ready" to do that. It really is a job of awesome responsibility. With that in mind, one can only do what you're doing and look at the actual experience on the ground these candidates have had -- with local, State and Federal Government, with actual policy that many people found helpful in reality, with Leaders overseas, with those issues important to the majority of Americans and also being aware of what challenges the new President will face -- and then judge for yourself which one out of the few you have to choose from would be more capable the day after Inauguration to hit the ground running.
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