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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:17 PM
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Michele Norris on MTP..."The Republicans WANT Hillary to be the nominee"...
She said Republicans in SC told her this week that they WANT to run against Hillary and they are more than willing to try to bring Obama down. The entire panel agreed that the Republicans are in shambles with no clear candidate to unite them....except Hillary Clinton. Too bad the Democratic base are such lemmings that they can't see that or just flat refuse to see it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 PM
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1. Yes, I heard that. It appears Hillary will the be rethug uniter. Lucky us. nt
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:48 PM
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29. Yes, lets just drop everything and let the republicans pick the nominee
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:54 PM by niceypoo
why have elections at all?

Let's see, their strategy must be to make Obama lose by ignoring him, which is what they have largely done for the last 6 months and instead joining in with Obama's "supporters" and endlessly heaping on Hillary. Must be a reverse psychology tactic, yes, thats it!

Of course, it doesnt matter who the Democratic nominee is, the republicans are toast becausse they can barely get the rapture cults out to the polls.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:56 PM
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33. The ONLY Answer IS... John Edwards... I Have Said This For More Than A Year Now!
It IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Obvious... Wake Up democrats and become DEMOCRATS! :patriot:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 PM
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2. I don't give a shit what the pukes want.
They aren't going to decide who our next president will be. Period.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 PM
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5. LOL! Of course they will! If they (and Indies) rally to keep her out of office, that is.
Did the Repugs decide our last President?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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12. Ummm...too late...they already are.
The corporate owned media has ignored Kucinich and Edwards, making their message almost invisible.

They've given Barack a pass up until now, and they're going to take him down. This Rezko thing is going to explode.

And nothing will guarantee a GOP turnout to the polls like "that woman" Hillary Clinton. They HATE her. Drooling saliva running out of their mouths hate.

And, of course, the fix is still in place with the electronic voting machines.

Can you say another 8 years of Republican "leadership"? The GOP is well into the process of deciding our next President for us. Follow the money, look at the facts...they are there for you to see if you open your mind and take a look.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:25 PM
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13. Bookmark this thread and we'll talk again in Nov. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:39 PM
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27. You got it.
bookmarking....
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 PM
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3. But to so is merely sexism.
:shrug:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 PM
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4. The Republican panel was sure slamming her today
You could have fooled me.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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10. They pulled out a Sister Soulja clip of Bill Clinton from 1992. They're looking for ANYTHING.
That's desperation, and trying to keep the focus on RACE, RACE, RACE.

They are all worthless, these gluteal jaw jackers. MKJ
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 PM
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6. If they want to run against Hillary
they will say that they want to run against Obama.

This whole game of thinking we should be influenced by who Republicans say that they want to run against is flat out silly.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:33 PM
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22. Don't believe Republicans, they've proven themselves to be liars.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:58 PM
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35. It is irrelevent who they want as the nominee
to be honest
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:02 PM
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36. Exactly
does anyone really think the RWers aren't spinning this. Like they've ever told the truth about anything before, ROFL.
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 PM
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7. Republicans Aren't Pathological Liars When They Say They Are Scared Of Obama?
Funny how the party of lies and deceit, is only telling the truth when they say they WANT to run against Hillary. Interpretation, Hillary will be handing them their asses in November and they know it.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:56 PM
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34. And they show this "fear" by largely ignoring him and instead attacking hillary?
More irrational fear mongering from the Obama "supporters" who's only apparent 'support' is attacking other candidates.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:14 PM
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39. Ignoring him?? Guess you haven't been the recipient of the HATE mail...
that is being circulated around the internet by every Republican I know in SC.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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8. Say no to oligarchies
say no to Hillary Clinton
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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9. Hillary and her machine will give them more they are bargaining for
They will play hardball, something Gore and Kerry were unwilling to do. The Repugs better be careful who they wish for.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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11. What, not only crazy DU "Obamabots" realize that?
That can't be true!

MSM anti-Hillary conspiracy!....MSM anti-Hillary conspiracy!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:30 PM
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19. They really don't know what to do at the moment, which is entertaining.
The MSM are essentially waiting until the candidate is selected before unleashing the big guns, whether Sen Obama or Sen Clinton. It benefits all of us if neither becomes a clear front runner, because once that's a done deal, they will pile on gleefully.

They are in even worse shape with the R's, because the R candidate will have to talked up as the best thing since sliced bread, and they're really going to have a hard time with that, even with Mr. Milquetoast himself, Sen. McCain.

I hope the voters and caucus goers of the remaining states keep it a viable contest. And, I really hope Edwards stays in and collects delegates and maybe wins a state or two.

MKJ
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:26 PM
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14. I've mentioned this before to some thinking it's not true
I work at a media relations company where one of the partners is a very connected Republican (who has worked with several GOP governors and run several GOP campaigns) who goes to Republican National Committee "batcave" meetings with top level GOP operatives and that's all they talk about. He's mentioned that they even have posters of the Clintons on the walls of the meeting rooms as a reminder.

I kid you not. Don't believe me at your peril.

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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:28 PM
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17. Which Democratic candidate do they fear the most?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:33 PM
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21. The GOP was never more united than when they were "fighting the Clintons"...
So probably Obama. How do you run a negative, GOP campaign against "hope"?

Looks pretty bad. And Barack's war stance against McCain's is favorable. Hillary's war stance against McCain's is terrible (she voted for a war, but not to fund it after the troops were already there).

Bill's inject himself into her campaign, makes Hillary very vulnerable against the GOP.

Either one of the Dems would do better against McCain wrt the economy. But the GOP would destroy Hillary on Iraq and drudging up the unsavory aspects of Bill's presidency.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:35 PM
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24. Yep, and we forget that at our own peril.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:24 PM
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42. Actually...
...the person I mentioned LIKES Obama. He can't stand Bush now and thinks Guiliani will be the nominee and it will be a tough sale unless Hillary is the nominee.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:30 PM
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20. You are so right. I live in a red state surrounded by Republicans..
And they WILL unite to defeat her...I hear it every day of my life. Hillary supporters who stick their heads in the sand and stubbornly refuse to beleive it are handing us a defeat.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:42 PM
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28. I agree. The big winner yesterday was McCain. He won the Dem and GOP primaries. n/t
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:14 PM
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40. The GOP is grasping at straws
They share little lies to keep their spirits up. They'll probably nominate Romney who has higher negatives than Hillary.

The GOP is falling apart and Hillary will not unite them. They've been ripping off their own voters for decades now and the GOP voters finally wised up. Many won't show up at the polls this November. I listen to the nuts on talk radio and many say they won't vote for another Republican this time.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:27 PM
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15. yep. I've been saying that all along....we've been warned (n/t)
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:35 PM
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25. Seems odd that suddenly the Repugs are anxious to bring Hillary down...
if you should happen to visit FreeRepublic anytime soon, you might look on the left of the home page and click on 'elections.'

What you find there is that they are looking forward to going after Obama. What they think they have on Hillary is old tired news...they used up all their bullets on the Clintons already.

Far as I'm concerned, we have three leading candidates who are all qualified for the job. All have a shot at getting into the job. What the Repugs do is of no concern of mine...and shouldn't be for any of us. Haven't we all gotten tired of our congressional leaders(Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer)afraid to take on the Repugs and do some shouting and maybe a bit of mayhem until we can get the Pugs thoroughly housebroken?

Screw what they think. For 8 years, we watched the Pugs stab the Clintons, Chelsea, the dogs and cats from the front. We sat there and many Dems stabbed the same individuals in the back. Time we stood up and prepared for war with the GOP until they are the bloody bastards who will run and hide.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:28 PM
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16. Our party has a problem with how things "should" be compared to how they actually are.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 PM by patrice
This IS our history and it's why Congress is in stalemate.

As much as I wish a woman pResident with the competence of HC were the right candidate now, I cannot deny that to Republicans she's a win:win. If she wins, they win; if she looses, they win.

As much as I dislike this truth, Barak Obama is in a similar position. With the difference being some degree of probability in their respective chances to succeed. What I'm worried about with BO is:
For every Black Obama voter, there's at least one other-ethnic voter. So what you buy from Black voters in the South, a minority nationally, you pay for with voters in other groups and/or generations. I know we're NOT supposed to talk about Race, but people do did bring it up, and as much as we reject Race as a criteria, other people DO NOT, not necessarily, because they are racists themselves (though MANY are), but because they perceive others making an issue of it, so it becomes an Issue . Believe me, I don't want it to be that way, but THAT IS the way things are. It's called self-fulfilling prophecy and as much as you and I may resist it, it IS still going on. It MUST be addressed if we're going to win. How do we do that without making it worse? First off, "our" candidates NEED to TEACH us about self-fulfilling prophecy. Then, what?


Clearly, the MOST certain choice right now is John Edwards.

Edwards or Un-Committed, ALL of the Way.
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 PM
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18. Yeah -- sure, that's why the republicans crossed over
in Iowa to vote for Obama (against Hillary).

The GOP is done and soon to be relegated to the garbage dump of failed experiments,
right alongside the Roman Empire, the Nazis, the Whigs and the Edsel.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:34 PM
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23. Many, not all, are crossing-over BECAUSE they are done as a viable party.
And they are trying to graft themselves to part of our party.

WHY, WHY, WHY do people assume because they are crossing-over that their whole value system and what they will work for is identical to ours? Are you telling me that the differences between people DON'T matter, only the similarities matter?

I'm not saying similarities don't matter, I know they do. AND I know that the DIFFERENCES matter too and I cannot, willnot support someone who is either mistaken or lying about the differences.

John Edwards or Un-Committed ALL of the Way.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 PM
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26. Unless: they want us to believe they want her when they really don't
want her cause they could never keep up with her wit and intelligence. Or perhaps they know we know that they know we know what they really want.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:49 PM
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30. You better believe it. The Republican Party could do with some respite,
anyway, from the universal vilification, contempt and mockery they'e been suffering for so long, so that they can recharge their battery's and return when people's notoriously short memories are a shade less sharp and clear concerning their record over these past 8 years. Still very wishful thinking. But, heck, they'll still have a compliant corporatist in the Oval Office, to essentially do their bidding.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:52 PM
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31. I think
the batshit-crazy 25 percenters will come out in droves to defeat any of our candidates. With *'s low 20% approval rating, it shows independants are fed up with the GOP antics, which is showing in the large turnouts in the Dem primaries. These are the people who will defeat the GOP. I'm not too afraid of their big bad wolf rhetoric. I'm not saying I don't still fear thier election stealing tactics.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:54 PM
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32. Hey, Michelle Norris says so. Must be true.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:58 PM by gulliver
And the Republicans always tell the truth, and their political judgment is so great...
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:08 PM
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38. Have we learned nothing?!?
I guess not, so let's all pick Obama out of fear of the GOP! Huh? I though Hillary was supposedly the fearmongerer? As others have pointed out, the Rethug base will come out against any Democratic nominee. They did so in 2000 and they did again in 2004, and they'll be out in 2008 too. Like others have pointed out, I too have a hard time believing that the Rethugs are so helpful as to tell us who they really want to run against. Do you really think they would help us out like that? Anyway, the point is I wouldn't pick a candidate solely based on what Rethugs think.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:02 PM
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37. could this possibly be because they are actually afraid to run against her, wouldn't be
the first time they tried to tell dems what to do by telling us what was in our "best" interest.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:16 PM
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41. Well, it must be true because the teevee said it! I guess that's why they've been
pushing Obama and attacking her - MSM was just trying to oppose the GOP??????
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:31 PM
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43. All the time the GOP doesn't spend fighting with each other
they spend on trying to get Hillary. They've been trying to get Hillary for 16 years. There is no way they want to risk having her as the Democratic nominee.

If Republicans wanted Hillary to be the nominee, they'd smear Obama now.
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