If the Clinton's are now racists, then what white people aren't?

[billbuckhead]

And I guess all those black people who supported the Clinton's for decades are also wrong.

[Adelante]

1. I don't think the Clintons are racist

I think they've played race politics, as politicians do.

[mod mom]

7. Not racists, but willing to use race to get an advantage-Equally Despicable!

[Adelante]

9. Exactly nt

[papau]

23. Many see it as Obama playing the race card by inventing slights where none were either there or if

there were not intended - and all were not by Hillary.

Indeed "use race to get an advantage" - well the close race in SC is now not close as the black vote has shifted to Obama by 7 to 1 from 2 to 1 in favor of Clinton and then 50/50 post Iowa.

Obama has gotten the advantage in SC from the race dust up - of course Obama folks say do not look at who benefits - just claim Hillary was trying "to use race to get an advantage"

And of course it may be all surrogates and have nothing to do with Obama how this played out - his forgetting to say stop to his surrogates being his only fault.

[Skidmore]

8. How does being willing to play the race card not make them racist?

I don't understand the rationalization that is behind a statement like that. Being willing to denigrate someone else on an immutable characteristic is disgusting and is a cynica undemocratic thing to do.

[okasha]

10. You mean like

Obama's statement that gay people "live their lives in a way to cause discrimination?"

[Nailzberg]

17. link?

[okasha]

31. Here's the full statement and its sources.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

[Nailzberg]

33. Which is different from your quote.

[okasha]

40. Meaning's the same.

Obama says we need "basic rights"--not, mind, you "equal rights"--so we don't "live our lives in a way that causes discrimination." I. e., without those rights, so condescendingly bestowed by Barack McClurkin Obama, we live our lives in a way that causes discrimination.

If you have trouble following that, try a reading comprehension course.

[Nailzberg]

41. Basic rights = Fundamental Rights

Which means the rights guaranteed to all under the constitution. I've read enough from Obama to "comprehend", thank you. BUt considering you choose insult over discussion, I won't be bothering with you anymore.

[Adelante]

15. Race is incidental - it's about power

I never said I liked it, anyway :shrug:

[incapsulated]

36. No.

That's Obama's surrogate's job.

:hi:

:P

[IndianaJones]

2. that is the challenge...finding white people that aren't racist. nt.

[More Than A Feeling]

14. We all are, to one degree or another, whether we admit it or not.

It's not a popular thing to say, and I expect to be overwhelmed with flames telling me to speak for myself only, but its true. It's not our fault that we've grown up in a racist culture we didn't choose, but we've still been infected by it. The best we can do is recognize that and try to get rid of it as best we can.

*get's into the asbestos suit* Ok, flame on!

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. Not flames - disagreement.

Racism is the quality of believing ones race is superior to another.

I believe that this view is a minority view among americans, including whites.

Can people who don't believe in the inherent superiority of their race still be awkward, clumsy and insenstive around others? Sure.

Insensitive and ignorant are not the same thing as racist, imho.

[More Than A Feeling]

21. In my opinion, as long as white privilege remains, instead

of equal privilege for all, white people are complicit in racism. It goes beyond consciously saying "white people are better than minorities because of the color of our skin" (which I agree, only a minority of whites are guilty of in this day and age), to acting like it in a hundred "little" ways that collectively send that message, again whether we consciously think it or not.

[lumberjack_jeff]

27. What elements of white privilege must be relinquished to prove absence of racism?

If I were to interview for a job with someone of a similar background, and this affinity influences him to hire me, does that make me a racist? After all, by using this affinity to my benefit, I'm "complicit in racism", right? Alternatively, if I were to interview for a job with someone of a different background, would the fact that I didn't get it make the successful applicant a racist?

For purposes of this discussion background includes race.

I think you're confusing racism with social injustice. I think that the former (although it exists) is not as prevalent as the latter.

[More Than A Feeling]

28. If you want to equate racism solely with the mental state,

I guess you could, but that leads to the paradoxical state of a racist society (structural racism, what you would rather call "social injustice" although that's a larger term that also includes sexism, classism, ageism, etc) with no racists, or at least none that seem to be in any position of power.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. At risk of sounding flippant, I think you're arguing against the dictionary.

"Racism" is a belief system of a hierarchy of races. Individuals have belief systems. I don't think a person (solely by virtue of living in an unjust society) can be presumed to be a racist.

I think that social injustice is manifested in many ways, and some of those ways arose from the belief systems of people who were racist or classist or sexist.

To some degree, I think that the term "structural racism" is a bit of an oxymoron.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Hillary is a Reagan fan on top of that.

She said that Ronald Reagan was her favorite President, especially for how he loved guns.

[Rydz777]

11. Obama seems to admire Reagan. Edwards = not.

[LoZoccolo]

25. Wrong. Edwards praised Reagan too. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

4. Dupe, self-delete. n/t

[Cha]

5. the clintons are just power hungry,

no boundaries, jackasses..not "racists", so stop saying that.

[sandnsea]

6. Oh we were all wrong about the Clintons

some people still are. They've proven they'll say anything and destroy anything to win. Even the Democratic Party itself. Right when should be at the pinnacle, ready to ride a wave of goodwill into a new era of progressive values, the Clintons come along and decide their personal power is more important than anything else. Pit black against white. Latino against black. Make anti-semitic accusations. Call unions thugs. Attack voter registration rights. Do everything every Republican has been doing for 30 years.

And we're all too stupid to see it.

They're too elitist to be racist. They think they're better than EVERYBODY.

[Sulawesi]

12. Bingo!

[ruggerson]

18. Elitist is a rightwing Republican buzzword

Almost everything you write is designed to try to impugn the character of the Clintons, mostly using Republican arguments.

Facinating.

[dionysus]

42. Bill was a decent president but the Clintons

aren't the little baby jesus you act like they are. they are not above reproach.

[robbedvoter]

13. C. Rangel: "Nobody tried to take this man down who didn't try to take us down"

speech about Clinton.
What was going on with that memo - was trying to Sharptonize him. they took it back. Not his supporters here. And indeed, Sharpton style: "my opponent is ALWAYS racist"

[Metric System]

16. "Hillary Clinton does not support our people"

Stated in a pro-Obama radio ad. Was is that if not race-baiting Latinos?

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. Clinton bashing is back in season.

The dog barks, the caravan passes on.

[cali]

22. nice flamebait.

really, excellent job putting up a stinking strawman.

[2rth2pwr]

24. That is the whole point. To silence people by implying that any criticism

or attack against Obama is a type of racism. Keeps everybody on their toes, walking on eggshells.

[MzShellG]

26. I can't comment on whether they are racist or not.

I don't know what they say off camera or what they're true feelings are. As far as some black people 'loving' them, they only pander to the black community to get their votes. I can't think of anything the Clintons ever really did for black people, specifically. JFK did the right thing for the black community, and humanity in general, during difficult times when race relations were extremely tense. In my opinion John F. Kennedy did a whole MORE for black people, and lost his life for it. He should be the TRUE first 'black' president.

[EffieBlack]

34. What exactly did JFK do for black people?

Please be specific.

[sandnsea]

43. Is that rhetorical?

As in, be specific because you probably have no clue. Or be specific because JFK didn't do anything.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

30. well that about sums it up

[EffieBlack]

32. Who said the Clintons are racists?

[FrenchieCat]

35. The Clintons aren't racist....they just use the racism in others as an advantage

for themselves. And don't give a fuck what type of carnarge they leave behind them. So they are not racist, they are ruthless....which is not any better, frankly.

[tammywammy]

38. That's what I think

They're not racists and I've never said or thought they were. They're just willing to use race in order to gain more power.

[gdaerin]

37. uhhh me nt

[BenDavid]

39. Clintons don't deserve to be put in same category as Don Imus.

We all know the Clintons are smart politicians and are political genuises. Now would someone that says the clinton are racist explain to me, WHY both clintons would use the race card knowing HRC would need this strong independent minded community during the entire nomination schedule, and will sure as hell need this community in the general election?