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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:59 PM
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Chris Dodd For Majority Leader!!
We need to get rid of Harry Reid, who came in promising to "give 'em hell" he is a failure. Chris Dodd has proven himself to BE the fighter that we all hoped Reid would be. What will it take and is a new leadership in the senate a possibility?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:02 PM
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1. Amen!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:04 PM
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2. yes ~ we don't need spinless wonders
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:04 PM
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3. Definitely
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 01:04 PM by TomClash
Reid is going to step down and either Dodd or Schumer will become Majority Leader.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM
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5. Please let it be Dodd then
if it is between Dodd or Schumer.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:11 PM
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7. Dodd has earned it
and so has Schumer. I'd be happy with either one.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:13 PM
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8. Schumer is LIEberman Lite
he is a disappointment to me-when senators vote with the interest of their religion over the People's, then they don't have what it takes IMO. Dodd is a man OF the People and does what is best FOR the People.
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DemIdeals Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:52 PM
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20. can you please let the tears flow more?
i like it when they do

schumer doesn't vote his religion. name one vote that schumer has cast for Israel that dodd has voted against. you can't.

schumer is not lieberman lite. he's responsible in part for the democrats having the majority in the senate thanks to his tireless campaigning for dem candidates in 2006. and he's also my senator, so buzz off.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM
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4. Yes, please
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM
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6. Please. Please. Please.
YES to Dodd! :bounce:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:20 PM
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9. No, thanks! Dodd was the chief architect of 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting--
the fast-tracking of voting machines, all over the country, during the 2002-2004 period, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by corporations with very close ties to the Republican Party and far rightwing causes, with virtually no audit/recount controls. His brethren in this fascist coup were the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress--Tom Delay and Bob Ney.

Of all the snakes in the grass in Washington DC, he's one of the snakiest. I can't say anything in favor of the present leadership, except that Dodd would be worse. He KNOWINGLY betrayed our most fundamental principle of democracy: transparent elections.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:36 PM
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10. so who then would YOU support
for majority leader?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:13 PM
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13. I'd start with TRANSPARENT elections, and see who turns up.
There is hardly a member of Congress who can prove that he or she was actually elected. This Congress is as illegitimate as the Bush Junta, as far as I'm concerned.

I think if we held transparent elections, and actually counted all the votes, we would see a near-complete turnover in Congress, with hundreds of fresh, new, intelligent, unbought and paid for, representatives of the people, ready to do their jobs in the public interest, and that many among them would be excellent Congressional leaders.

We would still have the problems of our filthy campaign contribution and lobbying system, and 5 fascist billionaire CEOs controlling all news and opinion in the country, but a transparently elected Congress would start to work on cleaning these things up, among other reforms. Gradually, we would get our country back.

Am I saying I don't care what the fuck this pro-war, pro-corporate, illegitimately elected, so-called Democratic Congress does, or who it elects as the lords and ladies to oversee one bad, bad, Bush-toadying, fascist law after another?

I'm close to saying that, yeah.

I think we have only one main hope - and that is citizen activism at the state/local level demanding fully transparent vote counting. I think it will take time. I have a lot of faith in the American people, actually - but they have been laboring under severe handicaps, including relentless, 24/7 fascist propaganda, and severe disenfranchisement and disempowerment. It takes time, when you have suffered a fascist junta, for people to find out what's what, and figure out what they need to do, and to gather the strength and the will to do it. We have been thoroughly looted, and our democracy has been trashed--not just by Bushites, but also by our own party leadership. This wasn't done in a day. And "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY vote counting isn't the only problem - just the most critically important one, for starting to turn things around. (Non-transparent vote counting entirely blockades reform.) So restoring democracy here isn't going to be easy, and it isn't going to be quick.

I won't dis any kind of citizen activism - whether it's lobbying Congress, or participating in political campaigns. Pressure on existing leaders - even if they can't prove they were elected - is important, to try to minimize the damage to our country, as well as we can. But if we don't address a core problem like Bushite corporate vote counting, what do we expect will happen? More of the same. More betrayal. More bullshit. More war. More looting of our treasuries. More poverty. And, potentially, the death of planet earth. (The World Wildlife Fund gives it 50 years--50 years to the DEATH of the planet!--at current levels of consumption and pollution.) We MUST turn the U.S. around, as to Corporate Rule, and we really don't have much time. I think it's going to take about a decade, just to get back to square one: democracy restored. THEN our work is cut out for us - to hold on to our democracy, to subdue the forces of what FDR called "organized money," to restore our sovereignty (end Corporate Rule - bust up their monopolies, pull their corporate charters, seize their assets for the public good), create a "green economy," mitigate the impacts of global warming, and find the way to reverse it, and work on issues of disarmament, world peace and social justice.

Quite a load, and we're not to square one yet. Do you wonder why I despise this Congress?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:56 PM
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12. Were they complicit or just ignorant?
I could never figure that out. I even lobbied Daschle's office in person on this issue. My impression was that they didn't have a clue about computers, proprietary software or how they could be used to steal votes. IIRC, Daschle's head LA was a 20 something who had a degree in literature. Nice guy, but completely clueless. He asked me to try to prove the problems in language Daschle could understand.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:35 PM
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15. I think our Democrat Party leaders are a mixed bag - some complicit, some
scared, some clueless - on a number of core issues - and some have had good motives, and some have had mixed motives, and some have had bad, corrupt motives - whereas Bushites are wholly evil.

That's a distinction I would make. I think there are some good Democrats - people who would be elected in transparent elections. But there are no good Bushites. Wild guess - about half the Democratic members of Congress and scared, clueless and/or have good motives, and about half are Bushites with a "D" in front of their names--"Blue Dog" (that is, traitor) Democrats. (Gary Condit was the leader of the "Blue Dog" Democrats in 2001, and he voted for Bush-Cheney's first tax cut for the rich, two days after his young mistress, Chandra Levy, disappeared. That kind of 'Democrat.')

But one problem is that the scared/clueless and/or well-intentioned Democrats often shill for --cover up for--the others. For instance, this bullshit that they "don't have the votes" in Congress to impeach Bush-Cheney, or to stop the war, etc. If we had transparent elections, they WOULD have the votes. 70% of the American people oppose the Iraq War and want it ended. Counting all the votes WOULD produce a Congress to end the war. Some would say that, well, only 1/3 of the Senate was up for re-election in 2006, so that body was hard to change. But we have had non-transparent vote counting run by Bushite corporations in many states since 2002! But for the wholly non-transparent voting system (Diebold touchscreens with no paper trail) in Georgia, Max Cleland would be in the Senate - as would others who ran in '02 and '04. The Senate would be significantly different, if non-transparent vote counting had been stopped. And MORE antiwar Democrats, and fewer "Blue Dogs," would have won primaries in 2006, had there been transparent vote counting.

And all the Democratic leaders had to do was SAY SOMETHING - because "TRADE SECRET" vote counting by Bushite corporations is so obviously, blatantly, unfair and wrong.

Two other points, on the Democrats and electronic voting: 1) What is a political leader's first interest and responsibility? To get elected! So you can't tell me that it was a matter of indifference to them, how the votes are counted. 2) Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia - the three main election theft corporate players - were heavily lobbying Congress, and state legislators and election officials, and you can't tell me that our Congress critters didn't know who these dudes were.

One of them, Diebold, had a CEO who was a BUSH/CHENEY CAMPAIGN CHAIR, and major fundraiser (Wally O'Dell, who promised in writing, to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush/Cheney in 2004").

Another, ES&S - a spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture) - had, as its initial funder and major investor, far rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon foundation, which touts the death penalty for homosexuals (among other things).

And Sequoia hired Republican and former CA Sec of State Bill Jones, and his chief aide Alfie Charles, right out of their "public service" into selling Sequoia voting machines.

So, if some Democratic office holders and party leaders were stupid about technology - and didn't have any alarm bells going off inside of them about 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY vote 'counting - what excuses their not knowing WHO these election theft corporations are OWNED by and RUN by?

All with very close ties to the Bush regime, the Republican Party, and/or far rightwing causes.

That's the sort of thing that politicians are born knowing. People. Money. Corporate boards. Lobbyists. Power. Issues.

When you examine it this way - as I have done from these and other angles - the horrible conclusion keeps edging at your consciousness that our Democratic Party leadership betrayed us, big time; that they threw the 2004 election; and that they DIDN'T WANT the votes in Congress to change things.

How could the leaders of a major political party be this STUPID?

Someone put LSD in their water coolers, or what?

La-la-la, oh a Bush-Cheney campaign chair will be counting all the votes with secret code...ha-ha-ha, la-la-la...???

Dingbatty? Anthrax spores got into their brains? Ecstasy in their lattes?

Scared of blackmail, and their small planes falling out of the sky, some of them. Go-alongs/get-alongs, who maybe were clueless, or, more likely, just shut their eyes and ears. Dirty connivers like Christopher Dodd, who damned well knew what he was doing - and Terry McAuliffe and others. Bilderberg Group players. And a gaggle of clueless or corrupt election officials all over the country, eager for the HAVA billions, and adoring the secrecy and how they could now exclude the peon voters from any oversight.

Yikes, it's so sickening.

In California, I watched our good Secretary of State, Kevin Shelley, go down in flames - literally "swiftboated" out of office on bogus corruption charges - after he had sued Diebold, decertified their touchscreens, and demanded to see their source code, six months before the 2004 election, and you know who did him in? The state Democratic legislative leadership! (--more than likely at the direction of Terry McAuliffe and the DNC/DLC).

'TRADE SECRET' vote counting run by Bushite corporations creates a perfect loop of fear and corruption. Once these systems are in place, anyone who opposes them can be Diebolded out of office, and, if the need is urgent, "swifted-boated" by the corporate news monopolies or by scared or corrupt party leaders. And once election officials are committed to multi-millions of taxpayer dollars to purchase these crapass election theft machines, then their careers depend on defending them. And once officials get a taste of big money and big power, they don't want to give it up - they want more.

I watched the "Iron Curtain" come down over this subject - the extreme riggability of this voting system, and the evidence of election fraud - just after the 2004 election, nailed in place by our own party leadership, and, frankly, I have never been so shocked and so scared for my country as during that period, seeing our own party acting in concert with the Bush Junta to cover up that fraud.

Since then, I have seen Americans rally, all over the country, to the fight for election transparency, in one jurisdiction after another - sometimes just one person standing up and then inspiring others - with many new groups formed, and with word spreading faster than I ever thought possible, by word of mouth, and by our new "committees of correspondence" - the internet - and finally by videos, books, conferences and experts' reports. It has been very heartening to see this, and participate in it, and I think we will surely win this fight, eventually. And we have learned so much from it. We have learned that WE are the leaders. These clueless, sightless, earless, brainless, or scared, or semi-corrupt, or "mixed motived," or good but SILENT Congress critters (and that's the good Democrats) need US to lead them. And the rest - the bad Democrats and Bushites who comprise 60% to 70% of this Diebold II Congress - need us to throw them out office on the issue of non-transparent, Bushite-controlled vote counting alone, because that WAS the fascist coup. October 2002. Same month as the Iraq War Resolution (and closely related to it).
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:54 PM
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14. Has he addressed the question recently?
As OzarkDem suggested, he may not have known much about computers or the issues involved.

I'd like to see if he has a different position today, and if so, is it because he still hasn't gotten the information he needs?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:16 PM
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17. I think the clue to whether or not Dodd and other key Democrats knew
what they were doing, when they appropriated $3.9 billion into the pockets of Bushite corporations, through their own and state officials' fingers, to install electronic voting machines, all over the country, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls, no paper trail requirement, only private corporate "testing" of the machines, and no controls on lavish lobbying, is that...

THEY. HAVE. DONE. ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING. ABOUT. IT. SINCE. THEN.

I wouldn't trust anything they said about it now. Now, they can only DO. And what they must do, to regain my trust - and to convince me that MAYBE they were clueless - or, at the least, that they feel remorse - is require a paper ballot for every vote in every state--right now, today--and 100% handcounting of every vote, which is what they should have done AT THE BEGINNING!

How could anybody be THAT clueless? How could anybody be THAT stupid? --to trust Bushite corporations with "trade secret" vote counting AND NO PAPER TRAIL?

Obviously, the so-called "Help America Vote Act" should NEVER HAVE BEEN PASSED without a full handcount required, at least in the first couple of national elections--and a significant audit thereafter. NO. AUDIT. WAS. REQUIRED. None!

And now we have a situation where people have fought for paper ballots, and won in some states, and they're NOT counting them - or they're doing a miserably inadequate 1% audit. And they don't even count all our votes in most recounts. They count 3% maybe.

What the hell is so difficult about counting all our votes in public view? Take the money from these election theft corporations and give it to the states and counties for paper ballots and PEOPLE to count the votes.

It's too late for the U.S. soldiers and Iraqis and Afghanis who have died since November 2004. It's too late for many of those whose lives have been ruined - by torture, by injury, by disease, by civil chaos, by displacement, by poverty, by lack of medical care, and by the deliberate standdown of federal emergency services in New Orleans. It's too late to plug the $10 trillion deficit that Bush/Cheney have run up - with the help of the Diebold II Congress. It's probably too late to prevent economic meltdown, and it will take decades to restore the U.S. reputation in the world, as a good democracy, and a law-abiding nation. And it's probably too late for South Carolina and possibly also New Hampshire voters to have a verified vote in the primaries. But it's not too late - it's NEVER too late - to restore our right to vote and our INHERENT right to transparent vote counting. It's never too late to have democracy NOW.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:43 PM
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19. That's a downcheck to be sure
But he sure the hell has kicked ass on the FISA issue.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:46 PM
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11. HELL YES!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:58 PM
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16. oh HELL yeah!
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:53 PM
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18. God , Yes!
Harry reid is like a high school assistant principal!
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