How are some in this forum going to do a 180 degree turn if Clinton wins our nomination?

[ruggerson]

Are all of you who are day in and day out bashing Hillary's character going to do a dramatic, sudden mea culpa?

Wouldn't you be better off focusing on what you don't like about her political positions, and lobby to change them, than regurgitating decade old Republican talking points about the character of both her and her husband?

No matter how much it angers you, she may well be the Democratic nominee.

And no matter how much you may believe otherwise, the stark truth is that a Hillary Clinton presidency would move the country in a completely different, and polar opposite, direction from where we have been going the last eight years.

[stray cat]

1. The same way some will do a 180 and support Obama

I hope most of us prefer a good dem candidate even if not our real choice to one of the current crop of Republicans. Otherwise McCain, Romney, Hucklebee or Giuliani will be in charge for the next 4 years at least.

[ruggerson]

6. I've seen far less Obama character assassination than Clinton character assassination

I've seen a lot of people who disagree vehemently with some of Obama's actions and words, but not much talk about what a horrible human being he is, which is the standard fare here about Hillary Clinton.

[Blue-Jay]

20. That may be a matter of perspective.

Seems to me that there's plenty of that sort of behavior to go around for both Clinton AND Obama. It's possible that you might not notice it as much when it's coming from the "other" side.

Frankly, I find it to be distasteful, no matter who the ridiculous invective is aimed at.

[Perry Logan]

38. I don't think so. The Obama people set the standard for sleaze at DU.

There is no competition.

[Blue-Jay]

42. Respectfully, I don't think you're correct.

As I stated, there's been plenty of shit slung at each of the candidates and their supporters. Click on "My DU" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

My point is that it's probably easier to notice when people are slinging shit at "your candidate".

[Cadwallader]

49. As a newbie, trust me on this, Clinton's people are probably sliming at a 2:1 ratio

That's how it is, and no amount of prevarication or statements saying the opposite changes that.

[iconocrastic]

51. It's not a matter of numbers. "Character" depends on the person. Some need criticism more than other

[iconocrastic]

50. "sudden mea culpa"?

LOL

[Cleita]

2. We had to do the same for Kerry. n/t

[OzarkDem]

7. Though it will be harder to do after Kerry

but we're Dems, we'll support whoever is nominated.

[Perky]

3. That is a complete two way street

I will support the nominee whoever it is....but what I have said avout Hillary is that while I believe she can win.... I do not think she can get a mandate and given the villification of the right. I do not think she will be able to get much accomplished.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Just like every other time they'll vote for the nader guy candidate

instead. Assuring a cliff hanger & possible republican win that they will blame on election fraud & other conspiracies.

[libbygurl]

19. These holier-than-thou, purist types who denounce everyone (except their pure selves) as...

...corrupt, evil, and that Dems = Repubs, blah, blah, blah, who refuse to live in the real world, where imperfection and compromise are necessary. What, do away with corporations, for instance? Are you kidding? And cause the collapse of the economy? What's needed is stricter regulation of them, and a mixed economy like the one they have in Western Europe works better, methinks (see Paul Krugman's recent assessment of the health of Europe's economy vis-a-vis the US one today).

No one is perfect, is what I'm saying, and the well-intentioned Dems will support whoever turns out to be the nominee (most of them on either side, I'm sure). A Dem is still very different from a Repub. Just watch the Republican debates - I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, or a time-space warp, listening to what their concerns and solutions are.

Oh, and yes, the Naderites really succeeded in turning around the results of the elections to their liking last time, didn't they?

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. Sure, might as well piss away a vote on a Peter Camejo & get a

George Bush in the bargain. Makes perfect sense if you are into role playing, sorcery & 9/11 conspiracies.

[Armstead]

5. I'm going to do a 90 degree turn

Frankly I care less about her charactyer and personal qualities than I do what she believes in and who and what she represents.

Even if she is the most sincere and well-meaning person in the world, her positions are WRONG to be representing the Democratic Party at this point in history.

We do not need the kind of "centrist" DLC Corporate fellow traveler who refuses to clearly attack the real and fundamental inequities in contemporary America, and whose idea of change is to ask the corporations to be just a little bit nicer as they screw us and steal our democracy.

But at least she isn't a Republican.

[DJ13]

14. But at least she isn't a Republican.

........in name.

She's more Republican than some Democrats want to admit though.

[Armstead]

25. Very true

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. I will not be delighted, but you BET I'll vote for her or any Dem nominee.

No way in HELL will I vote for a Repuke. No matter what!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Don't expect any mea culpas from me

I have nothing to apologize for. I actually like Hillary Clinton.

It's *some* of her asshole supporters on this board who are utterly despicable slime fuckers.

In started the primaries undecided, and willing to work vigorously for any winner. Now I am in a different place. I will happily vote for Hillary, but I can't work for her. It would mean having to be in the same room with the likes of the self-righteous, fanatical supporters, and that's too much to ask anybody.

Thanks for that, Hillary-Assholes!

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. right back attcha!

and...you are welcome.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. You love me too much

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

27. ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Incisive

...

I'm surprised that you're not spewing your usual lies and misquotes. I guess that's what we get when Hillary wins. You start trying to imitate a human being again rather acting the full-blown dishonest gutter trash douchebag. Good on ya.

[IndianaJones]

29. Obama's your quarterback

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Whatever you say

Now off you go to troll the blogs for more out of context lies.

Shall we expect 15 or 20 flamebait spam posts from your lying ass today?

[IndianaJones]

32. If you guys go after Obama, its just unfair.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Toddle off, now

You have some quotes to remove from their context, don't you?

Off you go, liar boy.

[IndianaJones]

35. thats my teammate..

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Your complete inability to make a sustained argument

Is interesting.

Little quote, n/t, ellipses. Good for you, liar boy.

Keep it up!

[Renew Deal]

45. I agree with this completely.

:thumbsup:

[JVS]

52. If I could recommend a single post!

:thumbsup:

[LoZoccolo]

11. YOU were the one who participated in the failed Reaganizing of Obama.

Don't talk about stirring up animosity after that.

[ruggerson]

15. Wrong

I criticized what he SAID, I did not attack his character.

Big difference.

I've also made it very clear, since day one, that I would unequivocally support him if he is our nominee.

[dionysus]

17. a post of yours i agree with, who'da thunk it

;) :hi: dooga

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. if obama wins i will support him and do a 180 turn.

because no matter how much i dont like him now, i will like him MUCH MUCH more than the republican asshole

[TreasonousBastard]

13. I expect most of the more rabid HillHaters to just skulk away...

quietly, like a lot of the rabid types took off after the last round of primaries.

A few will stick around and have a good ol' time complaining about how she's running a lousy campaign and point all sorts of gleeful fingers if she loses.

Whoever wins, expect that sort of bullshit.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. Another massively productive thread.

Thanks for sharing.

[AtomicKitten]

21. You are assuming they will do a 180-degree turn if she gets the nod.

Some will head for the door and keep walking.

This probably isn't an opportune time for a loyalty oath. Brow-beating almost always has the opposite effect in an atmosphere of such acrimony currently.

[ruggerson]

26. No one's browbeating anyone

the OP is about discouraging the chronic, negative character assassinations. They serve no useful purpose on either side of the debate.

[JohnnyLib2]

23. Sadly, I don't think all will make that turn.

After hearing the same slurs and talking points from both left and right for
so many years, I've started questioning, "why do you think she is so awful?"
Often, the reasons seem to be lost in history and/or somewhat irrational.
The healthcare initiative in the early 90s started it---and then the Hillary-as-wicked witch theme just grew and grew like cancer.

My favorite response was from a 24 year old who said, "She tried to take my parents' medical care away when I was about 11...."

[THUNDER HANDS]

24. I like her political positions

it's her demeanor, her campaign and those around her I don't like.

[tomg]

30. There is no question that I will support the

Democratic nominee. He or she might not be my first ( or second or third ) choice, but I have to believe that any Democrat will be better than any Republican. And I give all four their integrity and basic decency.

But - assuming that the Dem wins and we still control house and senate ( not unreasonable, although we have been known to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory) my loyalty to the Democratic party ends on January 21, 2009. I am wondering how many of us on DU who have signed petitions, demonstrated against, supported causes with our time and money - will keep on doing this in the event that 1) the current spate of fascist "laws" that destroy the constitution are not rescinded 2) We are not making plans to be out of Iraq immediately 3) have not stopped throwing marginalized communities ( the GLBT community for starters) under the bus 4) have not come closer to a real national health care system. . . .and so on and so on.

If a Republican wins, we automatically lose. Just because the Democrats win does not automatically mean that we win. Until January 21, 2009 I am a Democrat. After that I am a Progressive.

[K Gardner]

33. If Clinton wins, a great many people who were energized to get involved this year with

the political process because they truly felt they could make a difference, will indeed sulk away, knowing they can't. They will see that its all been an elaborate setup of entrenched groups and the establishment, a way of giving the illusion of democracy while ensuring that their candidate prevails - their power and chokehold remains intact. The people who are pushing Democratic primary turnout up into record numbers will stay away. Independants will not vote for her. Many progressive dems will not. Slam me if you will, for telling the truth. We will not see the numbers we need at the polls to beat the republicans if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.

[LWolf]

37. I will not be doing any 180 degree turn.

I am not bashing HRC's character. Or Obama's character, for that matter.

I won't be doing a 180 degree turn to support either of them in the general election. It's not their character, it's their platform, their record, their donors, and their campaigns.

[JackORoses]

39. Why would we change our opinion? We aren't Hillarites, we don't blow with the wind.

She will cost the Democrats votes overall.

[Perry Logan]

40. I'd be relieved if Obama won the nomination. I wouldn't have to defend Hillary all the time.

[stravu9]

41. No I'll just fade quietly away.I've only been

here a week , it won't be hard.

[rox63]

43. If she becomes the nominee, I will vote for her

But until then, I will support my candidate.

[ileus]

44. rest easy my friend, they'll vote Hillary in Nov.

[Renew Deal]

46. We'll see about that.

[mdmc]

47. this way to the lounge, no pushing, no shoving

just wait out the neo-cons...

[IndianaGreen]

48. In Indiana, we will put some distance between Hillary and our candidates

Hillary cannot get elected dog catcher here, even with that empty suit Evan Bayh on the ticket.

We have more pressing matters, such as taking back the governorship, and getting our people elected despite the additional burden of having Hillary at the top of the slate.

[gdaerin]

53. No, I would then be voting McCain or hopefully Bloomberg nt