Atlanta mayor takes political shot at Bill Clinton - "this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales."

[jefferson_dem]

Go Shirly! :applause:

Atlanta mayor takes political shot at Bill Clinton
During the MLK service, Franklin addresses Clinton's reference to Barack Obama's rise as a 'fairy tale'

By AARON GOULD SHEININ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/21/08

With former President Bill Clinton standing not 20 feet in front of her, Atlanta mayor Shirley Franklin took what appeared to be a political shot at the former president's comments about Barack Obama's candidacy.

Speaking at the 40th annual MLK commemorative service at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Franklin said the country is on the "cusp of turning the impossible into reality. Yes this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales."

Clinton, in supporting his wife Hillary's bid for the Democratic nomination, recently took heat for using the term "fairy tale" to describe Obama's depiction of his stance on the war.

Franklin has endorsed Obama, who spoke from the same pulpit at Ebenezer on Sunday.

Today, after Franklin's remarks, the crowd of more than 2000 rose to its feet - except for Bill Clinton, who sat in his front pew seat and clapped politely.

Five seats to Clinton's left sat another former Arkansas govenor, Republican Mike Huckabee, also seeking his party's nomination as president. He stood at the end of Franklin's remarks.

During his address, Clinton responded to Franklin's remarks. "Mayor Franklin already took care of the political stuff. I wouldn't have said it quite the way she did but she got it all out there."

Earlier in her address, Franklin said the country was nearing a historic occasion when it could elect as president, "a former first lady, a Mormon, a Baptist preacher, and yes, a black man."

The first lady is Hillary Clinton, the Mormon is Republican Mitt Romney, the Baptist preacher is Huckabee, and the "black man" is Obama.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/01/21/kingpolitics_0122.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

[MethuenProgressive]

1. She lied in Church???

Her lie, exposed:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4140682&mesg_id=4140682

[jefferson_dem]

3. So...this IS fantasy and fairy tales, not reality?

You live in a funky imaginary world.

[DURHAM D]

4. I am thinking someone wants to start a new race war.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are far better stewards of the human rights movement than Obama or his minions.

Someone needs to grow up and fast.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Get real.

Let's not get concerned that we're on the verge of a "race war" every time an African-American woman stands up to challenge a white man.

[bartholomewjohn]

2. Clinton's words being distorted again

The same old distortion, trying to pretend not knowing that Clinton was referring to Obama's war positions, telling people that he was referring to Obama as a person or Obama's campaign.

[jefferson_dem]

Poor Bill.

He gets no respect.

[Jim Sagle]

15. Nor does Obama.

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

5. Self delete.

Dupe. Sorry.

[jefferson_dem]

6. Self delete.

Dupe. Sorry.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. The only excuse is that she was the victim of Obama's Swiftboating Clinton on Race.

And she unknowingly parroted Obama's propaganda from the pulpit.
And now the church goers are victims of Swiftboating, and they'll infect others, and they'll infect others...
This is how Swiftboating works. Go. Bama.

[Tom Strong]

9. I was sitting on the fence about Clinton and Obama...

...until now. And the Obama camp can thank Shirley Franklin's disgusting behavior for that. If Obama supporters think this helps their guy, they are 100% dead-to-rights wrong. As soon as I get offline today I'm going to write camp Hillary a 50 buck check. I have become galvanized. Anybody who tells lies about Bill Clinton (who was a fantastic Prez) is an enemy of mine. Go Hillary!

[goldcanyonaz]

10. So happy to have you on board.

:woohoo:

[jenmito]

11. And it's ok by you if Bill Clinton lies?

You know-saying HE was against the war from the start, saying Obama said the Repubs. had the good ideas for the past 15 years, saying Obama wasn't really against the war after his one speech?

[Tom Strong]

12. Bill was wrong on the war

So was Hillary. Obama was right, back-peddled a bit when it looked like things were going well over there ("My position isn't any different from George Bush's"), and then got right and STRONG again.

That's what happened, as I see it. And, quite frankly, all three of them pissed me off because I've never believed might makes right. Had the war been a huge success, it still would've been every bit as immoral and unjust to me.

Currently, however, their positions on the war are pretty much identical: America needs to stop being an occupying force in Iraq; America needs to give them their country back. And that's pretty much why I've been on the fence until now.

But I love Bill Clinton for being a great Prez, and seeing him being attacked like this is a huge turn-off for me. I've reached a tipping point and will be supporting Hillary now.

But if she loses the primary...Obama's the man. And I will fight side by side with you to see that he's elected.

That's my position.

[jenmito]

14. You don't see it as a good reason to support Obama for having the judgement to

predict exactly what would happen if we invaded Iraq and speaking out against it when it was popular to be FOR it?

And how was BILL attacked? HE was the attacker. And he LIED, saying he was against the war from the beginning, that Obama was NOT against it after his speech, that Obama said the Repubs. were the party of good ideas for the past 15 years, and that Obama's campaign tried to suppress the vote in NV (yet they still haven't gotten back to the media about WHO did it).

[FrenchieCat]

16. Obama was right, back-peddled a bit when it looked like things were going well over there?

You are not very well informed...


Summary: Interviewing Barack Obama on Meet the Press, Tim Russert read a quote he attributed to Obama to suggest that he has "not been a leader against the war": "In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war." Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.

At the time....
The Times also reported that Obama "declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time":
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711110004

THE FACT CHECKER

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/obama_and_iraq.html#more

As the keynote speaker, Obama was trying to be loyal to the Democratic nominees, John Kerry and John Edwards, both of whom had voted in favor of the war authorization resolution, along with Hillary Clinton.

In an interview reported by the New York Times on July 26, on the first day of the convention, he reiterated his opposition to the war but declined to criticize Kerry and Edwards, saying he was "not privy to Senate intelligence reports."

He then continued: "What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made."

(The Clinton campaign left out that important last sentence when it e-mailed reporters with backup material for the inconsistency claim, which was also made by Hillary Clinton in the televised debate Saturday night.)

In an interview published in the Chicago Tribune the following day (July 27,2004), Obama said that he would have voted "no" on the Senate resolution. But he said he was not in favor of "pulling out now." On the issue of whether to stay in Iraq , he said "there's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." The context of his remarks makes clear that he was not referring to the original decision to go into Iraq, but the question of whether to remain.

His views on whether to stay in Iraq have changed, of course, as he now advocates a phased withdrawal.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/obama_and_iraq.html#more

so because we had candidates that had voted for that fucked up IWR, Obama, not wanting to EMBARASS THE NOMINEES, stayed vague to a degree.

THANK YOU, BARACK OBAMA.

PS. Barack, just remember how users are. They use you when they can, and then jump on you when your back is turned. remember barack, you are dealing with vultures when you deal with the Clintons, who were handing out the talking points for the seat of their confident, DNC Chair.

just remember that shit!


Now contrast that to this:


"That's why I supported the Iraq thing." Bill Clinton, June 23, 2004 (CNN)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html

"I opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning." Bill Clinton, 11/27/2007, (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/politics/28clinton.html?ex=1353906000&en=cf3f18a5f01db61b&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

I know who I don't Believe!

[BenDavid]

13. Yep, here is another that stirs the pot without even knowing

what the hell she is relating too......Too many folks black and white have come out and said clinton was not cutting obama down. it was the press.......

Obama has gotten his ass JUKED for the last seven days and he is pissed because he fell for the oldest schoolyard ploy and his ego is such he cannot stand to have someone be critical of him and he still is getting JUKED.....