Obama should get a day to declare the Florida ads an "oversight." If he doesn't, it's beyond sleazy

[Proud2BAmurkin]

He deserves the benefit of the doubt if they were a national buy. If not, he broke a signed pledge, and is therefore a liar.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5374

[stray cat]

1. agreed - lets wait and see....

[IndianaGreen]

2. Will Hillary renounce her Michigan delegates?

Or is she going to go to Denver and fight to get them seated, together with whatever delegates she wins in Florida?

[MNDemNY]

3. There are no michigan delegates.

[DJ13]

6. There are no michigan delegates.........

.........until the Hillary campaign tries to get them seated at the convention.

[IndianaGreen]

7. She won delegates in Michigan and they will be seated in Denver

Hillary will go to the floor of the convention to reverse the Credentials Committee.

[MNDemNY]

8. I would think that all of the "unseated" delagates will

be seated IF there is a clear winner before the convention. If not, they will not be seated.

[sufrommich]

14. I agree.nt

[leftynyc]

16. And which little bird told you this? (eom)

[IndianaGreen]

29. You obviously missed what Michigan Governor Granholm said last week

Can't help you if you don't keep up with the news.

[TwilightZone]

11. Will Kucinich supporters denounce Kucinich for campaigning there?

[IndianaGreen]

30. I wouldn't because I disagree with the DNC punishing the voters in MI and FL

and I have posted extensively on the subject.

DNC should have stripped the superdelegates and not disenfranchised the voters.

[hedgehog]

4. "national cable buy that include advertising in the state of Florida"

I wonder if that's like me getting ESPN on my cable when all I wanted was the SCI-FI?

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. it would make sense they'd be national

since there are so many states on Super Tuesday.

It makes NO SENSE AT ALL to advertise in just florida when there's no delegates up for grabs in that state.

[debatepro]

9. this is commical

I mean... they make it seem like he bought and paid for ads on florida networks... not a national ad buy on cable networks... to much nuance for casual observers to pick up... and more ammo for rabid pro-hillary to throw trash at Obama... To bad the hillary camp is only interested in non-sequiturs (Reagan, this, drugs, Muslim, etc) and distorted issue discussions.

[DJ13]

10. "To bad the hillary camp is only interested in ......."

"..........non-sequiturs (Reagan, this, drugs, Muslim, etc) and distorted issue discussions."


The way a campaign is run usually shows how that candidate will govern.

I really dont want another bunch of liars in power.

[Skwmom]

22. Another lie, another distortion. Hey it's all in a days work for the

Clinton campaign.

[Avalux]

13. It is a national ad; I saw it on CNN this morning.

It was not a deliberate attempt by Obama to target the voters of Florida. That press release by is scathing and completely uncalled for. Doesn't surprise me though. :eyes:

[JackORoses]

12. They aren't Florida ads. They are National CNN ads aimed at Super Tuesday states.

They are not being broadcast by Florida stations.

To be honest, it was Hillary who broke the pledge first by remaining on the MI ballot.
Now she will say Obama is breaking the pledge and use this as an excuse to attend Campaign events in Florida which she was already planning.

She hopes to draw attention to Florida and away from an Obama victory in South Carolina.

Her plan all along has been to claim these FL and MI states at the convention.
Howard Dean knows this.

She will not be successful in her attempt to subvert Party rules.

[LittleClarkie]

17. National ads on cable, you mean?

If so, using that to campaign in Florida herself would be kinda sad.

[LittleClarkie]

15. Was the pledge in Michigan to remove oneself from the ballot

a similar one to the pledge not to campaign in Florida? Or was there more weight behind one or the other. Is violating either pledge a violation of the rules, or just bad form?

[leftynyc]

19. No pledge in MI

Try again.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Then why did most of the candidates drop out of that state's ballot

and I'm just asking honest questions. There is no "try again" as I wasn't trying anything in the first place.

What was Hillary's reason for remaining on the ballot when most dropped off? So as not to disenfranchise Michigan voters? So as to get Michigan votes in the general, assuming Hillary is the candidate? Just to prove a point? Did she have a reason?

[Texas_Kat]

21. No pledge on Michigan required except not to campaign there

regardless of how anyone wants to spin it.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Just asking. Then why did most of the candidates remove themselves

and why did Hillary choose not to?

[Texas_Kat]

31. They were grandstanding...

One (I can't even remember which) started it and the rest jumped on the bandwagon. No one asked them to.... but they were all trying to get into the game of oneupmanship.

The Michigan delegates will be seated either way (so will Florida). If HC wins, they are mostly hers anyway.... if someone else wins.... they can't afford to piss off the states of FL and MI.

The credentials committee at the convention will deal with it. They WON'T fail to seat these 2 delegations though there may be a cosmetic fight. Bet on it.

[grantcart]

18. If they were a national buy?

Here is the quote from your own source

quote
The Obama campaign today began airing paid television advertisements in a national cable buy that include advertising in the state of Florida
unquote

Do you guys even read this stuff before you post it or do you just automatically post everything the campaign sends out?

[Jensen]

24. Good catch grantcart!

[BenDavid]

25. the term "national buy" implies the ad would run nationally and

obama knew it.....but it does him no good. He will lose florida and then lose super tuesday and then by the end of march he is gone. Maybe obama will look forward to the 19th of January 2009 and have himself a very good day, but on January 20th 2009, Hillary Rodham Clinton will have ONE GREAT DAY......

[grantcart]

26. "He will lose Florida"

so you are confirming that there is a race in Florida and that Hillary's campaign stops there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4143410

are apart of her effort to win in Florida?

[dionysus]

27. spam spam, comes in a can

4 smear threads on the main page at once, good propagandizin' !!!

:puke:

[Kittycat]

28. I like this softer side of you P2BA.

Shows you're open to exploring facts before jumping to conclusions.

And yes, it was a national buy. If you break up ad buys to pick and choose, you can't always get the markets you're requesting. In addition, it costs substantially more (I used to work for a company that sold cable air time, so I picked up a thing or two on that topic).