Obama runs national ads and Clinton claims its FL advertising.

[mckeown1128]

Clinton hypocrisy listed right here:

Obama began airing a national ad Monday on CNN and MSNBC, where viewers tend to lean more Democratic.
The candidates don't have the luxury they had in Iowa and New Hampshire of introducing themselves to voters over time with as many as 20 different commercials emphasizing biography, issues and vision.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080121/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_super_bowl;_ylt=AizMNBxD4APmpkFb15TeLr6M5QcF

Obviously people in Florida do watch CNN and MSNBC so Obama's campaign did this:
Obama spokesman Bill Burton says the campaign asked the cable channels whether they could prevent the ad from airing in Florida, but were told that was impossible.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

seems innocent enough.... It is cheaper and more effective to advertise nationally for the Feb 5th states. But the Clinton campaign comes out with accuasations...

"There is no question that these ads are a clear and blatant violation of the early-state pledge that Senator Obama and the other leading Democratic candidates signed last year. The early state pledge was crystal clear in its prohibition against any kind of campaign activity (outside of fund-raising) in states that do not adhere to the DNC calendar.Senator Obama’s flagrant disregard for the pledge that he signed is disturbing and calls the integrity of the pledge into question."
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5374

Even though she has been holding campaign events in Florida:

here:
Clinton spoke at an campaign event on elderly issues in Palm Beach today. She was in South Florida after attending the Univision debate in Miami. -September 10, 07
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/09/nh_senator_conc.html

and here:
At about 9:45 p.m. last night, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was on the phone with about 65 people gathered in Linda Bird's home in Fort Lauderdale. December 12, 07
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2007/12/hillary-clinton.html

and possibly coming up:
In fact, the Clinton campaign inquired Tuesday if the Miami Beach Convention Center will be available for a ''rally'' on Jan. 27, two days before the state holds its earliest primary in history. - Jan 27, 08
http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/381016.html

These were just the first three things I found on google. But still the hypocrisy is amazing... Let us not forget Clinton leaving her name on the ballot in Michigan so her supporters could run around claiming a win for her in Michigan. I personally think on Jan 30th Clinton will try to claim that Florida counts because of a few ads by Obama on MSNBC and CNN. She will claim it but it isn't true.

[OzarkDem]

1. They're going through the money fast

No wonder they want Edwards out of the race.

[mckeown1128]

2. Link to your claim that they are going through the money fast?

Or are you just guessing?

[OHdem10]

7. It has been reported and commented on CNN and MSNBC

that they are spending heavily and funds will be getting low.

[mckeown1128]

10. Link please..... nt

[sunonmars]

3. You guys cant handle it when your candidate is exposed as

just another selfish politician.

He broke the rules. you can't have it both ways.

Suck it up.

[mckeown1128]

6. How does the Clinton claim expose obama as a selfish

politician?

[grantcart]

8. what rule has he broken?

Buying national advertising is not a rule violation. What is wrong with you people do you love Clinton that much or hate Obama that much that you would take something and twist it completely of all meaning.

Really reminds me of Karl Rove.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. The ad are seen in Florida, right?

Were they, or weren't they?

[mckeown1128]

9. They were.... but didn't your candidate Richardson appear in

a few debates on CNN and MSNBC. I am pretty sure they were shown in Florida as well... Well were they?

[grantcart]

13. yes but everyone turned the channel when bill was on

[mckeown1128]

18. lol...ohhh that is soooo wrong....

:rofl:

[grantcart]

11. waiting for the rule reference that said that

national buys are against the rules.

Let me thank you in advance for the citation.

[BenDavid]

5. This was intended to just piss obama off and it seems it has

and as I said before, Obama is falling all over hisself but falling for the oldest game on the school yard, Obama got JUKED....AGAIN....AGAIN AND AGAIN

[mckeown1128]

12. Ohh....you read that this pissed Oama off....

do you have a link or did you just dream that information.

[LittleClarkie]

14. So the ads are on in every state?

How would he go about blocking Florida ads specifially then if the ads are running on a national cable channel?

[MethuenProgressive]

15. It is possible that Obama doesn't know Florida is part of the Nation.

What a moron.

[KennedyGuy]

16. We'll make this simple since you are an Obamanut..

Is he advertising in Florida?

[grantcart]

19. No he is not buying in the Florida market

He is buying in the national market. Simple enough for you. Go Edwards

[KennedyGuy]

22. depends on what the meaning of advertising is..

so sad..the wheels are coming off the Obama camp.

[mckeown1128]

24. Wow... I have been hearing that for a year now on DU...

Just win will the damn wheels be off. hmm?

[KennedyGuy]

27. take a good look at the polls and his wild flailing about...

Denile is so refreshing, isn't it?

[mckeown1128]

29. yeah he has been going up in the polls everywhere for

almost three months now. Want to did the hole deeper.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

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[mckeown1128]

37. Show me all the "many" polls showing him moving downward...

Link? What you don't have a link? Well, then stop insulting me.

[KennedyGuy]

39. www.realclearpolitics.com

[mckeown1128]

41. Wow... I clicked on your link and it shows that

Obama has been closing in on Hillary in nearly every state for the last three months. You have linked to a site that proves my point.

[KennedyGuy]

42. You really Can't read...

how sad for you...

[mckeown1128]

44. Name a few of the states he is going down in so that I can

look closer at it. Please name the many polls that show the wheels coming off. Because I don't see any. I see him closing in on Clinton nationally, in New York, California, Georgia, Alabama, Idaho, need I go on.

he closed very closely in NV and NH...which he was behind her by double digits a month ago.

and he is way passing her buy in SC


So where is he losing ground.

[mckeown1128]

21. he is technically advertising but is not campaigning...

and isn't breaking the pledge.

[globalvillage]

17. UPDATE:

UPDATE: Though the Clinton campaign convened a conference call with several early-state supporters, Obama's claims the stamp of approval approval from the only early-state chair still in play, South Carolina's Carol Fowler.

“Both national cable networks told us it would be impossible for us to run advertising nationally that excluded only Florida. For that reason we consulted with the South Carolina Democratic Party Chair Carol Fowler who told us unequivocally she did not consider this to be in violation of pledge made to the early states,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

[rinsd]

33. self delete

[itsrobert]

34. Anyone with a brain knows it's impossilble

Anyone with a basic understanding how a cable/satellite network works knows it's impossible. Why did the Obama campaign have to ask? I thought they were media savvy. And shame on the Hillary campaign for bitching about it.

[globalvillage]

48. Well, I guess they asked so there would be no question.

Makes sense to me. I imagine they've never bought national spots. Running in IL, his ads would have probably been purchased locally.

[Cameron27]

20. Who cares if he's running a national campaign,

if the ads aired in FL, he broke his pledge. I don't know why you're drawing a distinction.

[mckeown1128]

23. My point is all of the faux outrage from the Clinton campaign,

her supporters here, and her ridiculous claim on Jan 30th that FL all of a sudden matters because of all of this.

[Cameron27]

26. It's the hypocrisy.

Clinton got bashed and trashed for simply keeping her name on the ballot in Michigan, even though it didn't violate the rules & didn't break her pledge, now Obama's actually breaking his pledge by advertising in FL and he's being defended.

Why is his violation of the DNC rules being defended? Why is the fact that he's broken his pledge being defended?

[mckeown1128]

28. No the hypocrisy is all yours...

Clinton's supporters are trying to claim that her win in Michigan counts and Obama has already stated that the voting in FL doesn't count. So any advertising will be pointless for him in FL, because he says FL doesn't count. Clinton is trying to set it up to say that FL does count, because it is clear that she is going to win in FL.

[Cameron27]

36. She won it,

whether the delegates will be seated or not, she won the primary against undecided Obama/Edwards.

[mckeown1128]

40. Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot...

Why on earth would people waste their time going out to the polls in the cold just for their vote to be thrown in the trash bin of no return.

[Barack_America]

25. Gov. Jennifer Granholm from Michigan, went on CNN and solicited votes for Clinton...

In our worthless primary, in which campaigning was also against the rules. And she was actually directing her request to the citizens of Michigan.

Also, considering that Hillary Clinton both left her name on the Michigan ballot, and had audacity to claim victory in an uncontested primary, she has no right to criticize this.

Let us not forget the "fundraisers" that Clinton is also currently planning in Florida.

[rinsd]

30. Creative editing with Team Smear 4 Obama

I see you left this stuff out

Your 1st one

New Hampshire Democratic Chair Ray Buckley said he Clinton was not, in fact, violating the pledged she signed to sign and Democratic leaders in South Carolina, Nevada, and Iowa not to campaign in Michigan or Florida.

"These states had 30 days to comply so right now they are not in violation," said Buckley.

2nd one

Guests were asked to bring $1 to $5, technically making the event a fundraiser that is exempt from the Democratic field's pledge not to campaign in Florida.


And the 3rd has yet to happen.

[mckeown1128]

35. Yeah...a rally were everyone had to bring 1 dollar...

that way they could call it a fundraiser. Well, if you are going to go the technical route.... Clinton is going to be in a debate tonight. A debate that is done for the purposs of furthering her campaign. That debate will be seen in FL. Thus she will be campaigning breaking the pledge tonight.

[rinsd]

38. So Obama doesn't count people buying bumper stickers as donors?

"Clinton is going to be in a debate tonight. A debate that is done for the purposs of furthering her campaign. That debate will be seen in FL. Thus she will be campaigning breaking the pledge tonight."

I see. You get shown you were wrong so now you make idiotic interpretations of the rules of campaigning.

I guess Obama is not going to appear at the debate since his campaign is so dedicated to their pledge.

[mckeown1128]

43. By your definition of fundraisers....you are saying that their are no

campaign rallies. I am saying their is a diffence between fundraisers and campaign rallies. Selling bumber stickers or charging a dollar at the door of a rally does not count as being a fundraising event.

About the debate tonight... It is not breaking the pledge just like Obama buying ads on CNN isn't breaking the pledge. You clearly don't have the ability to notice irony. Clinton was the one to lie about Obama breaking the pledge. Only one person has broken it and that is Hillary. Charging a dollar at a big fundraiser isn't a f&*^iung fundraiser.

[rinsd]

45. Does Obama call people who buy bumper stickers or other inexpensive items from his store donors?

Rallies are free. Fundraisers charge you to get in.

The debate doesn't break the rules because the debate is not advertising.

But it sure was nice of you to post your OP neglecting to include information that basically said Clinton was ok in what she was doing.

I am sure that was just an oversight on your part.

[hedgehog]

31. Does this mean that the Clinton Campaign doesn't have enough money to make a national buy? nt

[Radical Activist]

46. Isn't everyone else tired of being lied to by the Clintons?

I know I am.

[Unsane]

47. Part of his Super Tuesday strategy

national advertising