Why did Hillary refer to Obama as a "Young" African American at the MLK event?

[TeamJordan23]

I guess she brings politics into any forum.

Updated the OP Headline to clarify the point I was trying to make. She intentionally said 'Young' to play politics about his inexperience. I believe it was not the proper forum for her to do so; instead it should have been about celebrating Dr. King's life.

[Lucinda]

1. Link?

[TeamJordan23]

19. Here is link

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/21/595961.aspx

[Lucinda]

63. Thanks!

[Pathwalker]

2. He's young, younger than she is, AND he's African-American?

Just a guess. :shrug:

[MADem]

6. Who knew? NT

[rodeodance]

22. she is smart women

[hedgehog]

59. Hmmm..... make a statement that will be ignored by the people it was aimed at

and that will resonate with the people it will irritate. Smart?

[baldguy]

42. He's, what? 46?

Politically he's a kid.

[Pathwalker]

49. No, 44.

[TwilightZone]

54. According to Wikipedia, he's 46.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

[Pathwalker]

57. From where I sit, that's still young. My oldest son is 36.

Just ten years younger.

[TwilightZone]

64. Oh, I agree.

There's nearly a generation of age difference between Hillary and Barack. From Hillary's point of reference, I certainly think that "young" is applicable.

[Pathwalker]

68. At my age I don't see calling somepone young an insult.

After all, I used to be young. Now, I just envy youth; especially their vigor, enthusiasm, and energy.

[cali]

92. 14 years age difference is a generation? No. it's not even half a generation. n/t

[TwilightZone]

96. On what planet?

From Wikipedia:

A generation has traditionally been defined as “the average interval of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring."<1> This places a generation at around 20 years in span and this matches the generations up to and including the Baby Boomers.

Wrong again, cali.

Edit: by the way, the Baby Boomer generation is defined as being born from 1946 - 1964. 18 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer#United_States

[cali]

91. no it's not.

that's absurd. My Senator was elected to the U.S. Senate when he was 33. That's young. 46? Nope.

[baldguy]

94. When you can have an active political career will into your 80s?

Robert Byrd is 90. Strom Thurmond was 100.

[1corona4u]

84. Yep.

I guess that's a fucking crime now...

[cali]

89. Young? 46 is not remotely young. He's solidly middle aged.

It was a political ploy. Not saying it was wrong or right, but for pete's sake, 46 is not young.

[TwilightZone]

99. To Robert Byrd, do you suppose that 46 is young?

Young is a matter of reference points. "46 isn't young" sure as hell isn't a fact. It's an opinion.

[Evergreen Emerald]

104. It is young for someone running for President.

They used to call Clinton the "boy Governor" because he was so young to be in politics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

[Cha]

110. Then you don't know the disingenous

hilary..she says nothing that's not calculated to refer to Obama in a derogatory way..subliminal or otherwise.

[LittleClarkie]

3. Maybe I should thank her

I'm only two years younger than Obama. So I'd be young too.

I wish someone would tell that to my body.

[TwilightZone]

9. You're only as old as you feel...

and, damn, do I feel old! ;)

[Cha]

12. You are young..

appreciate it and get your body moving!

[LittleClarkie]

21. I'm trying. But you have to waddle before you can run

well, I've lost 30 pounds, so now I can jog a little instead of waddle. But the knees still hate me, even so.

[ccpup]

26. awesome!

congrats on the weight loss. I've lost a solid twenty and, boy, it ain't easy. Great job and :thumbsup:

[Cha]

27. Good on you...check

out arnica gel..it works for me and a lot of others. :)

[Captain Hilts]

93. You're still young enough for a "youthful indiscretion" by Henry Hyde's standards. nt

[KennedyGuy]

4. You're kidding right..Obama began the day calling Bill Clinton a liar

I must have missed that in MLK's speech..

[acmavm]

5. What should she have said. He's an old Saudi Arabian? A middle aged

martian?

[KennedyGuy]

8. Really..which is the slander..Young or African American..

[MADem]

20. Can't....type...... ...*gasp* ....wheeeeeze.....

LAUGHING TOO HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[xultar]

7. He is. So is my mom. Or so she likes to believe @ 62.

[maddiejoan]

10. What?

He's an elderly jewish woman?

[tokenlib]

11. Because Barack is young--he can run again sometime..

But this is HER year!!!

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. Obama's relative youth has helped him rally support from younger voters

I think it has been a net asset for him in this campaign. Remember the polling that reports "Change" connecting better with more voters than "Experience"?

[juajen]

78. Yeah, those younger voters are so damn smart, what with all

their DVDs, video games, i-pods, etc. It makes us elderly folks downright jealous. (sarcasm)

Honestly, don't you mistrust their judgment a little bit? Same age kids who actually volunteered for Iraq even though their elders begged them not to; the same ones who believe they should not be punished monetarily by paying higher rates for car insurance, just because they have a majority of the expensive boo-boos in their cars, and they should be allowed to drink at sixteen or eighteen years of age, etc.

I have a grandson who is 18, and would not trust him to choose a candidate to vote for because he has no historical reference except for video games and movies. He has never picked up a history book and knows nothing about current world events, etc. I could go on forever, but it gets depressing.

I know, college age kids are a tad better, but, just a tad. I still have one child in college; so, I know, and, she is gifted. They have opinions, alright, and think they know everything, but most are sadly lacking in maturity and, it shows. I can barely trust them to pick out bananas, let alone a president.

So, I'm not sure if it's an advantage appealing to the younger voter. Yes, numerically, I can see why they would want that vote; but, I cannot believe wiser voters would be swayed by the number of young people a candidate was garnering. Just sayin'.

[Tom Rinaldo]

80. We are a youth oriented culture

And Boomers can't complain about that. I remember "don't trust anyone over 30". Our society will function best when we embrace and co-mingle the slightly differently toned wisdom of all age groups.

[madrchsod]

86. "Honestly, don't you mistrust their judgment a little bit?"

"Such disfranchising laws included poll taxes, ---->literacy tests, vouchers of "good character," and disqualification for "crimes of moral turpitude.",<------ "


like it or not "younger voters" have the right to vote i think we won that right many years ago....

i`m 61 years old and i trust them but then again i never grew up

[cd3dem]

114. I gave my 18 year old daughter a Hillary button today

then I asked her, what will you say when someone asks you at college why you support Hillary and not Barack?

She said, because my mom told me to....

that is the mind of an 18 year old....

I then discussed with her my reasons for supporting Hillary....

I also, pointed out my mailing from Obama.... four 8 x 11 pages... page one... photo and "yes we can" type logo... page two... more photo and campaign phrase... page three... three accomplishments, including providing 150,000 people with health care in Illinois.... page four... more pictures and mailing addresses... no real issues discussed...

[TwilightZone]

My nephew thinks that 30 is "really old".

What is your point?

[wndycty]

13. We know why and the good folks on DU will tell us she and Edwards. . .

. . .were just acknowledging his ethnicity. We shouldn't be offended, we should just STFU and move on. Oh and they will also accuse us of whining, playing the race card, etc. We know what the DU response will be. I'm used to it. Its transperent.

[BootinUp]

79. you're gonna make me cry

:sarcasm:


You were asking for it. lol.

[aquart]

83. "Youth" is now an ethnicity? Well, "youth culture." Guess so.

[global1]

14. Young - Code Word For Inexperienced......nt

[goldcanyonaz]

16. African American --- code word for black?

It's really hard to keep up on these "code" words.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. "He": Code word for not Female I think you're on to something n/t

[TeamJordan23]

24. So she brings politics into an event celebrating the life of MLK?

Nice.

[Tom Rinaldo]

28. You usually do better than this one n/t

[Pathwalker]

29. Yeah, because Dr. King avoided all things political.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sufrommich]

15. Because she's pure evil,that's why!!!!

:eyes:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. Everybody knows he's an old white dude

[itsrobert]

23. She reminding the white Southerners (and some Northerners) that he is young (inexperience) and black

black = not white like they are.

It's that simple.

[Tom Rinaldo]

31. That's only because the media has refused to cover Obama's race n/t

[Pathwalker]

37. I swear I saw a guy on 60 Minutes wondering if he was "black enough".

The whole interview was whether or not he "acted" black enough... :puke:

[KennedyGuy]

33. I think she also referred to him as "he" wonder what thats code for?

[Tom Rinaldo]

38. Not a female silly. I already revealed that above n/t

[Captain Hilts]

97. Code for 'more of the same' in the White House. Vote 'she' for true change! She's sneaky!!!

[creeksneakers2]

103. T hat's odd you'd interpret it that way

Because Edwards said the exact same thing, almost word for word, including "young."

[NJObamaWoman]

30. My problem with all of this is that Obama is BI-RACIAL

why do people forget this or act as if he's not white. I'm sure that he's proud of his black side but what about his white side? Its almost like that old racist view that anyone with a drop of black blood is black.

Anyway I had no problem with what HRC said. Yeah I still think they are trying to be flip and bring out race but really its a double edge sword. Its politics and the Clintons are people who want to win at all cost. I wont be voting for them no matter what.

[rodeodance]

34. Correct me if wrong but Obama identifies as Afro-american does he not?

[NJObamaWoman]

51. Yes because on the outside his skin tone is black. But he is still

bi-racial no matter what. I don't have a problem with the clintons just more a problem with the MSM for not giving everyone the facts. He is bi-racial.

[rodeodance]

111. yes, but that is not a category. and Obama has not made an issue of it.

[juajen]

82. I agree with that. I believe he is just as white as he is black.

I have no problem considering him all white. I don't believe any bi-racial person should be categorized. I actually think we should all be humans, with no qualifiers. Just my opinion.

[NJObamaWoman]

98. Thanks. I just find it wrong that the media showed his father's people

in Kenya and barely talked about his mom and her side of the family. America keeps focusing on the fact that he's black but he is biracial.

[rodeodance]

32. and more graciousness" "an "extraordinary, young African-American man with so much to contribute"

an "extraordinary, young African-American man with so much to contribute" and calling Edwards a "son of the South, in fact a son of South Carolina."

[dionysus]

35. well, he youngish and black, so in this case i wouldn't get offended

[ursi]

44. but he's not as good as youngish and white? JFK? Then I say - devisive!

[Tom Rinaldo]

62. Now that you mention it, I think I heard her thinking those words too!

Even more proof that Hillary is evil!

[AlCzervik]

36. Wow she also called Edward's a "Son of the south" like he's from there or something.

:crazy:

[ursi]

39. are you serious? that is disgusting if she did say that ...

just when I try to find some redeeming thing to like about the Clintons ...

[Tom Rinaldo]

43. I wish she would stop lying. n/t

[TwilightZone]

52. The scary thing is that the post you replied to...

is completely serious.

[Tom Rinaldo]

56. I know. It makes tongue in cheek replies so easy to write. n/t

[TwilightZone]

60. Very true. n/t

[mckeown1128]

40. attacking his age is easier than attacking his policies...nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

53. Vicious. A vicious attack I tell you

Everyone knows that "youth" is reviled in America. I can't believe JFK ever got elected after his youthful vigor was reported on.

[mckeown1128]

67. Your comments would be cute if only you remembered...

that she is trying to scare people into voting for her. She is trying to play the experience "aka age" card on him. You know all the little snide comments about being ready on day one. Are you going to to deny that she is trying to make him look young and inexperienced.

[Tom Rinaldo]

74. I hold that Obama's relative youth has been shown to be a real electoral advantage

Hillary tried to make the election purely about experience prior to Iowa. In both Iowa and New Hampshire that did not help her. She won more support from those who placed a high premium on "experience" but more voters yearned for "change". Age alone is a loser to Clinton.

Remember the crowd scene when she gave her victory speech in NH compared to the crowd scene when she conceded defeat in Iowa? Most of the older folks in the Iowa bacground were replaced by fresh young faces in NH. Hillary is getting creamed among younger voters and Obama is exploiting (not meant in a negative way) his popularity with that age group. After Iowa she vowed to try harder to connect with younger voters.

All the comparitive positive references to JFK that the media has piled on Obama over the last year are fueled by Obama's youthful forward looking personna making a clear clean break from the politics of old of an earlier political generation. That's what the Kennedy Camelot was about. Hillary may want to keep working the inexperience angle as a campaign argument but she knows enough now to delink that from any claims about youth. Youth is an Obama selling point.

[rodeodance]

41. "and calling Edwards a "son of the South, in fact a son of South Carolina." her comment about Edward

[TwilightZone]

46. "son"?!? She's insinuating that he had a mother. And a father!!!!

Whatever shall we do?

[okasha]

106. She's trying to ruin John among LGBT voters

by implying Elizabeth's straight!

Horrible! Just horrible!

[goldcanyonaz]

45. Had to recommend this, just to extraordinary to pass up.

[rodeodance]

55. oh, so so so many stupid, desperate hill hater threads today!!

[rodeodance]

47. ~~Deperado~~

[JVS]

48. Because "young buck" doesn't fly anymore?

[Tom Rinaldo]

58. I could have sworn I heard her thinking those very words just yesterday.

Proof enough for me.

[JoePhilly]

50. We Deomcrats are a bunch of fools!!

Any shinny object and we go nuts.

Every minute we spend on RACE is a minute LOST in the fight against extreme right wing fascists in the GOP ... and they LOVE IT!!!

We keep this stupidity up, and we will once again lose an election that could not be lost!!

[tabatha]

65. hear hear!

[BigDDem]

61. How dare she??!!!

Grasping at straws much? :rofl:

[Barack_America]

66. Um, because she's trying to highlight that "inexperienced" bullshit again...

Yeah Hill, let's see if that shit still flies against McCain...he will destroy you on that point. Remember, he was a POW in a pit in Vietnam when your "35 years of experience" started at snug & cozy law school.

Feel free to check my dates...it's true.

[TeamJordan23]

69. I did not believe it wasa proper venue for her to play politics. nm

[Barack_America]

72. It wasn't. But when has impropriety ever stopped a Clinton?...n/t

[TeamJordan23]

70. Self Delete. nm

[hayu_lol]

75. OK, lets put this ***age***thingy into some perspective...

Obama is a relatively young(gasp)African-American. Certainly nothing to infer anything except what the words say.

As to young at his age, lets not forget that great Repugnant stalwart Henry Hyde who had that YOUTHFUL indescretion at what? 45? When he broke up that lady's marriage with their flaming affair that made all the gossip columns?

To all those older than 60 or so, someone 45 or so is easily called 'young.'

As to the argument about 'he is mixed.' Well, we are all pretty mixed at this point in time. Orgin of species is Africa and the surrounding territory. So, into the wastebasket with the mixed-race argument.

You guys have anything else to bitch about in this thread or can we go on to the next hate-hillary thread?

[Dhalgren]

76. Yeah, but that will just point up the fact that McCain is a Manchurian Candidate!

Bwwwwwwwaaaahhahahahahah!

[regnaD kciN]

71. Because she thought it impolitic to call him a "boy"...

:eyes:

[bartholomewjohn]

73. Didn't Obama say that people don't want Hil because she's old?

read: from a generation other than today's?

[water]

77. If you spend life worrying about things like this...

...life must be miserable!

[OHdem10]

81. Since when is young bad. ?

[yardwork]

85. Ask Obama why he's been making such an issue out of age.

Obama repeatedly slams the baby boomer generation, even though he's one of us. Obama raised age in this contest. Don't be surprised the Hillary is fighting back.

[Sparkly]

87. In the words of Stephanie Tubbs-Jones to Tucker, "Get a LIFE!"

:rofl:

[IndianaGreen]

88. Why would a boomer look down on younger generations?

Just who in the hell do boomers think will be paying for their retirements?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

100. Think Hillary is dependent on Social Security?

Somehow I think she'd do just fine if SS folds. Senate health care for life, corporate donations, She'll scrape by somehow.

[TwilightZone]

101. Obama is also a boomer, is he not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer#United_States

1946-1964. Obama was born in '61.

[IndianaGreen]

112. Nyet, neither Obama nor Edwards are boomers

The Clintons and Laura and George W. Bush are boomers.

[smalll]

90. Obama may be a 46-year old boomer,

but his slams at that generation, pretending that somehow he is not a part of it, makes it more than fair for Hillary to call him "young."

He made his own crib, now he can lie in it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

95. Because any woman over the age of 50 feels old?

Maybe it's just me.

[Yael]

102. Hitting the experience meme

The Clintons never sleep.

(Well, unless they are at an MLK tribute listening to a fireball of a speech and the cameras are rolling).

But other than that -- they never miss a chance to take a shot.

Its what they do, and its the only way they know.

[Orsino]

105. I wouldn't complain about it.

She may have thought she was being clever, but a younger candidate may have an advantage. Less of her sort of experience is an asset, IMO.

[onehandle]

107. What a stupid flamebait post.

DUers are losing their minds.

[creeksneakers2]

108. Edwards said the same things, "young" & African-American

See how the response differs on a thread about Edwards saying the same thing, almost word for word.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4145086&mesg_id=4145086

[varelse]

109. Obama is young

and so was JFK

Is that a bad thing?

[ursi]

113. because she's an aging baby boomer who has made big $$s working for corporate interests?