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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:55 AM
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Will , should, Howard Dean endorse John Edwards ?
does anyone think howard dean will endorse john edwards ? i keep thinking he will and still do because of all the things which have happened such as his meetings with dean and some conference call. it would be huge news if dean did it. what if he endorses on tuesday morning ?

and i want to ask especially dean supporters if they think he should endorse edwards ?
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:57 AM
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1. Nope
I can't stand Edwards. Nope, not at all....

Then again, Kerry isn't a person I'm hopping up and down over either. ABB, but damn if I'm not disappointed in the choices we seem have left.
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:06 PM
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7. I wish he would...but he probably will wait until race is much closer
..He wants his next move to have immediate impact, I'm sure.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:08 AM
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2. Hope so!
I have advocated for an Edwards/Dean ticket for a long time. Wish it would happen.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:09 AM
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3. Dean will do whats right....I trust his instincts.
I'll be seeing Edwards today in Dayton, Ohio. Many local Dean supporters will be there too. I think Edwards already has the Dean vote in Ohio.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:09 AM
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4. Will he? I doubt it. Should he? No.
I doubt he will because he hasn't already. I think the only thing that would make him endorse Edwards would be the real likelihood that Edwards could wrest the nomination away from Kerry. That doesn't seem at all likely now, so endorsing Edwards would be moot and ineffectual.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:24 PM
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8. No, if Dean endorses Edwards and he loses
he will be reduced to the Al Gore effect and position in the party. He needs to endorse the winner so he can keep getting his message out and maintain some clout. If he backs Edwards...Kerry will pay him no attention for the next 8 years. If he backs Kerry there are several top positions he can get, like Health and Human services. Asking Dean to endorse Edwards will harm Dean's political career possibly forever.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:33 PM
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9. You're assuming a Kerry nomination...
... doesn't the media do that enough?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:23 PM
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13. Dean doesn't seem to be planning on or hoping for
anything in a Kerry administration. His political ambitions are far higher than that. Re his other plans, to be announced on March 18, here's a preview:

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003836.html

There are many ways to bring change. We are leaving one path, but we will follow a new path that will lead to the same destination: taking our country back.

Our new effort will seek nothing less than to change America by:

• Reviving our democracy and bringing new people into politics

• Supporting candidates and office-holders who tell the truth, stand up for what they believe, and oppose the radical agenda of the far right

• Fighting against special interests, and

• Fighting for progressive policies like health care for all, investment in children, equal rights under the law, fiscal responsibility, and a national security policy that makes America stronger by working with allies and advancing progressive American values.

Everyone involved in our campaign should stay involved, stay together, stay with the Democratic Party, and support the Democratic nominee. As I have said before, I strongly urge my supporters not to be tempted by independent or third-party candidates.

snip

I will do everything I can to ensure that the 2004 Democratic nominee runs as a true progressive -- with an agenda for working Americans and their hopes for a better future. Because that is the way to win in 2004.
-----------

Further, I find your suggestions for him insulting. Do you mean them to be? Too, I can't imagine after what the Kerry campaign did to Dean that he'd be the least bit interested in anything a Kerry administration (and boy aren't we counting our chickens before they're hatched??) would offer him.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:31 PM
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15. That's my opinion.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:09 AM
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5. Not sure...
It seems Dean would rather be a power broker at this point with his allocation of delegates, which was greater than Edwards when he left the race. I would hope he gives it to Edwards, personally, but I don't think he'll do it so readily despite the meetings; Dean's going to want something in return, I'm sure. Perhaps a position?
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:04 PM
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6. Not if he meant what he said
about the USAPATRIOT act and the IWR.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:43 PM
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10. It's up to Howard Dean, but I don't think he will
:hi:
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:56 PM
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11. If he hasn't done it already...
...I don't see him doing it anytime soon, unless Edwards starts to get very close to Kerry in the delgate countr.
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:21 PM
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12. Delegates count to get your issues onto the Party Platform... so NO!
I don't see Dean endorsing anyone until a Nominee is picked at the Convention. Why should he? I certainly hope he does not! If he does, he gives up some of our power! I hope that he is looking forward, not only to the convention, but to really begin to take this party and the country back to the ideals we use to stand for. I voted for Dean in the California primary, as did all my family!

Vote your choice, not the polls!
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:24 PM
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14. edwards voted for the IWR
... that alone should be grounds for not endorsing him.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:33 PM
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16. Will he? I doubt it. Should he? I don't think so.
Endorsing Edwards would only make sense if Edwards really has a chance to block Kerry from getting the nomination. At this point I think that Kerry is pretty much unstoppable.

Dean has made it clear that he will support the nominee in November and he urged all of his supporters to join him in getting Bush* out of office.

I believe that Dean is hammering out the details of the new organization that will arise from Dean For America on March 18 and has nothing to gain by reinvolving himself in the primary battle, especially in what is likely to be another losing effort.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:39 PM
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17. Howard Dean should endorse Howard Dean
that would be fairest to his supporters, I think. But barring that, an endorsement of Dennis Kucinich would be a reasonable call, since much of what Dean supporters claimed to like in their candidate exists in Kucinich--in spades. The man has it, in walk and talk. The same can not be said of Edwards.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 06:01 PM
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18. No and HELL NO!
Why would he endorse a candidate so completely out of synch with his beliefs? I believe he should continue to encourage his voters to send his delegates to the convention and make a show of force there, so at least his message gets heard, and possibly partially adopted.

Endorsing Edwards at this point would prevent that from happening.
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InhaleToTheChief Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 07:43 PM
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19. No
I hope he doesn't. Gov. Dean weilds a lot of power right now in the hearts and minds of his followers. I hope he endorses the nominee, once that nominee is determined. To endorse Edwards, only to have Edwards not become the nominee, will further marginalize Dean's followers.

Dean followers are already one of the groups most precariously teetering on the brink of Nader. Even though Dean got a raw deal from the Dem powers-that-be, he needs to show his supporters that we need to rise above these differences and support the nominee for the greater good.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 07:48 PM
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20. I am waiting.
If Dean wanted to endorse Edwards I think he would have done it a long time ago. But a lot of Dean supporters are swinging to Edwards.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 08:22 PM
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21. Can't wait untill Tuesday to see if Dean supporters make a difference
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CabalBuster Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 08:54 PM
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22. Edwards voted for the IWR, the Patriot Act, No child Left Behind
I don't think he represents our values.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 08:59 PM
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23. Yes, he should have done it long ago
But I've said that before...

I think he made a mistake with the not running but vote for me thing.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:17 PM
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24. he already said his supporters were non-transferable
if he were to do it it demonstrates his disregard for those people.

Its the one thing he's done right and just one of a staggeringly long list of things the general did wrong.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:19 PM
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25. If he does, it will be the kiss of death.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:56 PM
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26. While I don't think he should, I highly doubt it would be the kiss of
death...it quite possibly could be the kiss of life...financial life. :hi:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:58 PM
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27. No. No. No. I don't want him to.
Should he talk nice about him? I'm okay with that, but I am hoping that Dean endorses no one.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:02 PM
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28. Dean's mamma didn't raise a fool.
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