How many votes did HRC miss while in the Senate?

[madmunchie]

[MNDemNY]

1. Quite a damn lot, as did BHO.

corporate hacks.

[CoffeeCat]

2. I know she was there for Kyl/Lieberman (nt)

[IndianaJones]

6. how did Obama vote on that one. curious. nt.

[ccpup]

doesn't matter

he beat her to the punch in March 2007 with S. 970

:hi:

[IndianaJones]

14. so he gets to see the reaction and roll with public opinion. again. nt.

[rodeodance]

13. He decided NOT to take a stand and did not vote.--not even Present.

[CoffeeCat]

15. He was campaigning...

...but at least he didn't high tail it back to Washington, to kiss the
ass of the neocons, like Hillary--who can't kow tow to those warmongering
sociopaths fast enough.

In fact, I heard that an hour before the vote--she was eating lunch in DC
with colleagues. She was so worried about missing that vote--and upsetting
Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, George Bush and Richard Armitage--that she
took a private plane back to the Capitol.

Six blocks, my friend.

That's some serious neocon loyalty.

[rodeodance]

20. Not showing responsibility is what he was going.

[CoffeeCat]

39. Hillary has missed plenty of votes...

No Senator has made it for every vote.

This is the same ploy that Bush used on Kerry. Oh, how they feigned outrage
at his missed votes and absence at committee meetings!

So, when Hillary has missed votes...was that irresponsible too?

[rodeodance]

56. Not as many as Oboma.

[ccpup]

27. no, TwoSparkles, he kissed the ass of the neocons on March 22, 2007

with his co-sponsorship and support of S. 970, the precursor -- by 6 months -- to Kyle/Lieberman

[CoffeeCat]

36. He co-sponsored S 970....

...but it went through several iterations, and it never passed.

You do not know that Obama supported the language in S 970 that defined Iran
or a faction of their government as a "terrorist organization".

Hillary voted to do just that...knowing that it WOULD pass and that her vote
would lubricate the process forward. Just as her silence on the neocon agenda
would ensure that their death and destruction would live on for another day.

Excuse me, but it wasn't Barack Obama who knew about the neocon game plan to
invade Iraq---and said NOTHING about their longstanding wishes to get a foot
hold in the region. Rumsfled, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Perle asked Bill Clinton
for war with Iraq in 1996. He declined. She knew the neocons had been shopping
around the Iraq war for years. She said nothing about them asking her husband
for an Iraq war.

We see the results of her silence today. We also see her continued support
of their bullshit in Kyl/Lieberman.

[ccpup]

43. are you telling me Barack may not have supported

the legislation he co-sponsored? I'll have to look for those times where he spoke out against it as he obviously was involved in name only.

edited to add an "s" on "time"

[CoffeeCat]

46. I'm telling you that S970 never passed...

It was work-in-progress legislation that was in the process of being crafted---and it died.

Never passed.

I'm sure it went through several iterations--before it died.

Do you know for sure that the language in that bill about Iran being defined as a "terrorist organization"
was original language in the initial bill that Obama co-sponsored?

Do you know for a fact that he co-sponsored, supported and was a proponent of the final version of that bill that
we see today?

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. I guess you could say that zerO was "present" for that one too!

[CoffeeCat]

22. He's come out and said that he was adamantly...

...against Kyl/Lieberman.

I guess he isn't into helping the neocons with their marketing offensive targeted
at Iran--the next conquest in their war plan.

I'd rather have a candidate who was out campaigning and didn't vote--than a candidate
who was a kow-towing neocon enabling Democrat sell out.

You actually have emotion about a missed vote...but none for a turncoat Democrat who
is aiding and abetting the neocons with their war marketing?

Pardon me while I hurl a lung.

[rodeodance]

26. well, he should have showed up and adamantly vote for it then. But too buzy

[The_Casual_Observer]

30. "Pardon me while I hurl a lung."

Do us a favor & hurl them both. The guy is chickenshit.

[CoffeeCat]

41. Obama opposed the Iraq war from the get go...

...and not showing up to vote for Kyl/Lieberman is a slap in the neocons' faces.

He's refused to kow tow to their perversity. Speaking out against the Iraq war,
during a time when Bush practically made dissent a product of terrorism--was
courageous and brave. He stood alone while Hillary enabled.

Talk about chicken shit. Hillary voted for the Iraq war, and stood on the Senate
floor parroting Bush's talking points. She actually told America that Saddam
posed a nuclear threat and she made a connection between Saddam and Al Queda.

She knew DAMN well that the neocons were bluffing. They'd wanted this war
for years, and she knew it because they begged her husband for it.

Spare me the "chicken shit" bullshit, when your candidate has been full-on,
warp-speed-ahead with the warmongering bastards who have destroyed this
country.

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. Then why did he keep voting to fund it for years?

He guy is all talk & NO action. He's completely bogus. It's all about explaining why Ozero
didn't really do or say what you thought he did or said.

[CoffeeCat]

45. There is a HUGE difference...

..between voting to take our country to war---and voting to fund the troops once they are there.

I know that I would never have voted YES on Iraq. However, it's another thing to leave our
troops--through no fault of their own--out to dry. They would be without the proper equipment and infrastructure
to keep them safe. I don't think that's wise.

Yes, he did vote to fund the war effort--but those were votes in support of the troops who were in harm's
way.

Huge difference.

[The_Casual_Observer]

47. zerO never does what he says or says what he does. It's all about what he

meant & how you just didn't get it the first time around. What's next?

[CoffeeCat]

51. Typical Clinton tactics...

You throw out attacks--just like the Clintons.

Then, when there is rational, intelligent discourse, in which a person defends those
attacks---the facts are ignored, and you position your victim as a horrible person for stating
the facts.

I don't know what is next...will you suggest that Obama eats puppies, then if I try
to refute that will you accuse me of being an argumentative, horrible person who
always has an excuse for everything?

"Oh come on! You know he ate those puppies! He's a liar and he has no soul.
He never means what he says. He told everyone he ate puppies. Now you're
denying it. If he didn't mean it, why did he say it?"

You people really are pieces of work. If I owned a scurrilous PR firm, I would
hire every single one of you and pay top dollar.

[The_Casual_Observer]

53. It used to be freepers were the ones that blamed the Clintons

for everything. Now it's the O-zeros.

[Omega3]

52. I'm sick and tired of this presentation, if BHO was so against the war

why didn't he continue to be against the war when he... actually got in the US Senate??? He's voted for 300B in funding and for the Patriot Act. I'm really sick of him trying to come off like a some anti-war Hippie. As soon as he got to the Senate he changed his toon to the benefit of his corporate buddies.

[goldcanyonaz]

50. lol!

[MADem]

3. While you are looking that up, you look up the other two candidates, too.

Oh, and get a list of the bills too, so we can see what all the missed votes were about.

Thanks!!!

:hi:

[maddiejoan]

4. Here ya go

Clinton 7 years

Sponsored 350 bills; 2 enacted
Co-sponsored 1706 bills
Missed 6%; 143 votes of 2394
Average relative to peers

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022




Edwards 6 years

Sponsored 81 bills; 0 enacted
Co-sponsored 531 bills
Missed 15%; 311 votes of 2019
Extremely poor relative to peers

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300039





Obama 3 years

Sponsored 129 bills; 1 enacted
Co-sponsored 529 bills
Missed 16%; 177 votes of 1086
Very poor relative to peers

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629

[rodeodance]

7. Hillary wins this round. Thanks.

[Fresh_Start]

8. Obama missed more votes in 3 years than Clinton in 7 years

even though Clinton had to campaign for reelection as well as the current election cycle

[maddiejoan]

12. funny huh?

[madmunchie]

23. 4,000 votes in State Senate - - 130+ votes "present'' Pretty damn impressive

far better that Je (who was only in office 6 years - total

Hillary brought this up and her record is actually worse than Obama's ... She REFERRED TO HIS STATE SENATE RECORD, which is voting present in 130+ votes out of 4,000, where as her record is missing votes is 143 out of 2,394.

I'm addressing what Hillary brought up, not what I brought up.

[Fresh_Start]

32. So how many votes did he miss in Illinois?

thats in the US Senate statistics but hasn't been discussed in the Illinois Senate

[maddiejoan]

54. It's not at all impressive

what it means is Obama showed up and decided to not take a position.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaryvoices/2007/12/obama_trys_to_have_it_both_way.html

[CyberPieHole]

37. How anyone can think Obama~~~the slacker~~~is fit for office is beyond me.

He either doesn't bother showing up or votes "present" so as to cover his flippety~floppety butt. He is a terrible senator and would probably be on par with W as Commander in Chief.

[rodeodance]

5. I think she had a good record (till last few months).

[goldcanyonaz]

9. 6 percent since taking office. Link inside.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022

Hillary Clinton has missed 104 votes (23.5%) during the current Congress.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c001041/

Barack Obama missed 177 of 1086 votes (16%) since Jan 6, 2005.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629

Barack Obama has missed 167 votes (37.7%) during the current Congress.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

John Edwards missed 311 of 2019 votes (15%) since Jan 8, 1999.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300039

[stray cat]

10. I can't remember the number but it was alot more than 100

and she didn't even bother to be present let alone vote present.

[rodeodance]

16. see post 4--Hillary beats Obama and Edwards--

[OKNancy]

17. oops

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4163518&mesg_id=4163553

[Fresh_Start]

19. more than 100 but fewer than Obama even though 4 more years service

funny how that worked out

[Ytzak]

18. As of 24 September 2007 Hillary missed 28 votes and Obama missed 82

Newsday's Thrush hyped Obama's missed Senate votes, despite significantly higher Republican absenteeism

From Thrush's September 24 article:

The U.S. Senate has held 346 votes so far this season. Here's how often senators who are presidential candidates were absent during these votes.

DEMOCRATS

Joseph Binden (D-Del.)

28.6%

Votes missed: 99

Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.)

27.7%

Votes missed: 96

Barack Obama (D-Ill.)

23.7 %

Votes missed: 82

Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)

8.1%

Votes missed: 28

REPUBLICANS

John McCain (R-Ariz.)

49.4 %

Votes missed: 171

Sam Brownback (R-Kan.)

36.1%

Votes missed: 125

[rodeodance]

21. OUCHie

[SaveOurDemocracy]

28. Wow ... Hillary's been on the job! n/t

[rodeodance]

33. I have heard many say she is workhorse.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. kick

[rodeodance]

25. Thanks madmunchie---I appreciate you starting the thread.

[rodeodance]

29. RECOMMEND

[rodeodance]

31. NEEDS some RECS please.

[Fresh_Start]

34. Happy to recommend

the 'here' post has all the meat

[goldcanyonaz]

35. She's a workhorse!

[Cameron27]

38. I'll happily recommend!

[Quixote1818]

40. The real question is: How many Walmart board of directors votes did she miss?

:beer:

[Bluebear]

42. Obama missed more votes in 3 years than Clinton in 7 years

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4163518&mesg_id=4163553

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. Maybe he had more important places to be n/t

[rodeodance]

55. isn't that a Cheney line?

[CyberPieHole]

49. Kick and recommend...n/t