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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:29 AM
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Ok, this undecided is really starting to like Edwards.
I'm one of those people who don't have much time to research the candidates. And to be perfectly honest, when I do have time, it bores me. No matter how much fault you're going to find with that, as important as I know casting a vote is, I'm sorry but it's just the truth. I do know I will not vote Republican.

I considered voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Yes, there I said it.

Then I read/learned a bit about the reasons people are against Hillary and while I'm still undecided and have not ruled her out, it's certainly food for thought.

Barack is inspiring and refreshing.

But when I saw Edwards a few times back when he was running with Kerry, something rubbed me the wrong way. Something was too slick, too polished, and I thought he came off as completely fake at the time.

The entire Obama/Clinton slugfest has really put me off. It's all white noise. No matter who might be totally justified in defending their integrity, it's still white noise and none of it scores any points with me. Mudslinging is the ugliest part of politics and it's predictable. None of the content of exactly what's being slung matters to me. Again- maybe it should, maybe not.

Anyway I just watched the clip on DU's homepage "The moment that put John Edwards back in the game" and I have to say, that was really impressive. And once again, I admit I haven't followed much of what he had to say because of my past impression of him, but I'm glad I watched that tonight because the guy does have some genuine fire in the belly for the good of the nation.

Just my two cents.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:38 AM
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1. I've Loved John For Years & I Am Glad To See him Getting His Due
I will be heartbroken if he isn't the nominee and I did not feel that passionate about 2004. Kerry did not move me like John does.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:53 AM
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2. Same here - he was my senator...
..and while I'd have supported any Dem nominee in 2004, the fact that Kerry chose Edwards as his running mate was THE thing that excited me about that election. I was voting for Edwards in 2004 more than Kerry.

He's ALWAYS had my vote.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:11 AM
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4. Yeah, me too
Although I warmed to Kerry, I was supporting the run more for Edwards than Kerry. But, I think I like this Edwards better, he seems more free. More himself without all the handlers telling him how to act.

zalinda
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:56 AM
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3. You cannot go wrong with this choice.
As for fakeness...it's a function of campaigning. If someone comes across as absolutely real....look again. They have to be so careful, natural is just a bad idea. The appearance of natural is something else.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:30 AM
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5. I could be impressed with John Edwards, if I didn't know the other
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 05:02 AM by FrenchieCat
"Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change."

However, I remember too well, this John Edwards:


"I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country." John Edwards, 02/24/2002
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/24/le.00.html

"The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9-11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event -- or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse -- to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq." John Edwards, 09/12/02
http://web.archive.org/web/20030219152335/edwards.senate.gov/press/2002/0912a-pr.html


"Iraq's destructive capacity has the potential to throw the entire Middle East into chaos, and it poses a mortal threat to our vital ally, Israel. Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam Hussein's arsenal and would stop at nothing to use it against us. America must act, and Congress must make clear to Hussein that he faces a united nation."
http://www.usembassy.it/file2002_09/alia/a2091910.htm
John Edwards Op Ed in the WAPO dated 9/17/2002



"At the end of the day, there must be no question that America and our allies are willing to use force to eliminate the threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction once and for all. And I believe if America leads, the world will join us.<>

This is not just a moral imperative. It is a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner. And such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world." -
John Edwards, 10/07/2002
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5441/americas_role_in_the_world.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F9641%2Fjohn_edwards%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D9641%26filter%3D2002


"Iraq’s behavior during the past few months has done nothing to change my mind.” Edwards commented, “Secretary of State Powell made a powerful case. This is a real challenge for the Security Council to act.” 02/08/03
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/dems-f08.shtml


"I think Saddam Hussein, being gone is good. Good for the American people, good for the security of that region of the world, and good for the Iraqi people.

....I take responsibility for my vote. Period. And I did what I did based upon a belief, Chris, that Saddam Hussein's potential for getting nuclear capability was what created the threat. That was always the focus of my concern. Still is the focus of my concern.

So did I get misled? No. I didn't get misled." John Edwards, 10/13/2003
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3131295






at least until November of 2005, that is, when the polls stated this about Iraq:
52% of Americans believe the Bush administration "deliberately misled the public before the war," and 57% say the Bush administration "intentionally exaggerated its evidence that pre-war Iraq possessed nuclear, chemical or biological weapons." Support for the war has dropped significantly since June, which suggests that the percentage of Americans who believe Bush lied about the war has increased.
http://impeachpac.org/?q=node/6


Late November 2005, is when John Edwards published his "I'm sorry" speech.

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Edwards’s Hedge-Fund Tie Hurts Populist Campaign
John Harwood reports from the Wall Street Journal’s Capital Bureau.

HEDGE-FUND MONEY fattens Edwards’s wallet but hurts populist message.

The Democratic presidential candidate’s $1.7 million in pay and investment income from Fortress Investment Group gives target for rivals after his campaign emphasis on poverty. Edwards has explained Fortress affiliation as part of effort to learn about financial markets.

“What will get him in trouble is not the amount but rationales that seem false and weaselly to the voters,” says Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. Edwards’s campaign says he paid regular personal-income-tax rates on his $479,512 salary, not preferential “carried interest” rates some hedge-fund principals use.

Of $29.5 million in assets Edwards reported to FEC, aides say investments in Fortress represent $16.1 million.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/05/18/edwardss-hedge-fund-tie-hurts-populist-campaign/
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There are bankrupty bills, and China Trade bill votes....

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There was Iran Saber rattling In June of 2006, and again in January of 2007
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572637421&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


Edwards endorses realignment plan

HILARY LEILA KRIEGER, THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 8, 2006


Washington shouldn't rule out the use of military force against Iran, former US senator John Edwards told The Jerusalem Post on Wednesday while on a visit here. He also backed Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's unilateral realignment plan.

Edwards, a Democrat from North Carolina, is considered likely to run for the presidency in 2008, after losing in the 2004 race as John Kerry's running mate.

"We cannot allow Iran to have nuclear weapons," he declared, endorsing America's current approach of working with the Europeans using diplomatic levers.

But he said the "carrots" on offer have to come with heavy pressure, such as "serious sanctions."
In terms of the "stick" of military strikes, he said, "I would never take any option off the table."

Edwards also pointed to the lack of a negotiating partner for Israel following the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Authority, clearing the way for the realignment plan. He noted that details of the plan, which calls for withdrawing from many West Bank settlements in exchange for bolstering major blocs, still have to be worked out.

"Israel is in the unfortunate position of having to act without an agreement. I think American are supportive of that and want to be helpful in that effort - including me," he said.

Those words were stronger than those used by President George W. Bush to assess the realignment plan during Olmert's visit to the Oval Office last month.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572637421&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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at the Herzliya conference on January 23, 2007--

These comments reported by many......

http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Articles/Article.asp?CategoryID=223&ArticleID=1728&SearchParam=john%20edwards
http://www.cjp.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=178593
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/10435.htm
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_Iran_must_know_world_wont_0123.html
http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=5400
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_23828.shtml
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3355802,00.html
http://www.nysun.com/article/47843
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/02/enforced-orthodoxies-and-iran.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010678.php
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_digbysblog_archive.html#117046464485756663
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10399


statements which were quickly massaged a few days later after the Netroot Exploded.


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Then there's the problem with matching funds for John, still.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3824893re's

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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:32 AM
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6. He didn't click with me much either in 2004, but he won me over this time and
I'm with him for the long haul.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:34 AM
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7. His message is the one I feel is desperately needed in this country today...
and he has been consistent with this message and remained passionate throughout the campaign. No wavering whatsoever.

Congrats on making a decision...or getting close...as that indecision is often the most difficult part of this process.

:hi:
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