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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:38 AM
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WaPo: Obamas Stimulus package is head of the class A- (Edwards B-, Clinton C-+, repugs all fail)
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:13 PM by Bleachers7
Once again, Obama is the leader.

<snip>
Barack Obama: A-minus. I criticized his previous tax plan, but Obama is at the head of the class with an intelligently designed, $120 billion stimulus plan. He would speed a $250 tax credit to most workers, followed by another $250, triggered automatically, if the economy continues on its sour path. Obama would direct a similar rebate to low- and middle-income seniors, who are also apt to spend and could get checks quickly. One demerit: Obama omits any increase in food stamp benefits, which Moody's estimates would have the greatest bang for the buck, $1.73 for every dollar spent.

John Edwards: B-minus. Edwards gets points for handing in his paper early -- in December, he issued a $25 billion stimulus proposal (plus $75 billion more if needed), including important help to states to avoid cutting Medicaid rolls. But like Hillary Clinton (see below), he would spend too much money on programs -- investing in "green collar" jobs, for instance -- with too long a lag time to make them an effective stimulus. Edwards's grade goes down because he also hasn't explained how the $75 billion would be spent.

Hillary Clinton: C-plus. Clinton, too, raised the issue early, then turned in a faulty first draft with a $70 billion stimulus plan that didn't provide much immediate stimulation. It included a $25 billion increase in the program to help low-income Americans with heating costs -- an excessive amount (the current program is under $3 billion) that probably wouldn't kick in until next winter. Even worse was her housing plan, including a five-year freeze on subprime mortgage rates that could produce higher interest rates and reduce liquidity.

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And the pukes:
John McCain: D-plus. The senator should have his plan sent back with "Did you read this assignment?" scrawled in red ink. There's a respectable argument that stimulus isn't needed, wouldn't be effective and could be counterproductive. But the normally straight-talking McCain doesn't make it. Instead, he proposes permanent tax cuts -- cutting corporate rates, increasing investment breaks, eliminating the alternative minimum tax -- masquerading as a stimulus plan.

Mitt Romney: D. Romney's plan is way too big ($233 billion) and badly constructed (most of the stimulus goes to business breaks, his individual tax credits don't go to those who need them most, and his huge, long-term tax cuts would harm growth if not paid for). You don't have to be a Harvard Business School grad to understand that encouraging savings is not stimulative.

Mike Huckabee: D-minus. Huckabee understands economic anxiety better than economic principles. The only way his sketchy proposal could stimulate the economy is by scaring Americans into consuming now, before his Fair Tax takes effect.

Rudy Giuliani: Incomplete.:rofl: His position is too internally contradictory to grade. The former New York mayor told ABC's George Stephanopolous that "permanent reductions have a bigger impact in stimulating an economy," then said of the Bush plan, which has no permanent cuts, "If it stays where it is, it's a good idea."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/22/AR2008012202614_pf.html
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:39 AM
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1. No substance! All hype!
:eyes:
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:30 PM
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21. where's the beef?
:sarcasm:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:41 AM
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2. Obama A-, Clinton C-
That reflects their candidacies in general as well. :)
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:33 AM
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31. Obama=$250 "tax credit"
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:42 AM
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3. Yeah, I thought it was funny that she was talking about heating costs...
...when the bulk of those costs are already done for this year. Not gonna help people much Mrs. Clinton.

K&R
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:43 AM
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4. then Hillary had Bill come into "chat" with the teacher
and she was bumped up to an A.

:evilgrin:

j/k
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:46 AM
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5. The head of his class and their class
Barack Obama: A-minus


George W. Bush: B-minus
John Edwards: B-minus


Hillary Clinton: C-plus


John McCain: D-plus
Mitt Romney: D
Mike Huckabee: D-minus


Rudy Giuliani: Incomplete :rofl:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:49 AM
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6. More creative sniping by Team Obama
Four days later, Clinton said she would immediately implement a $40 billion tax rebate plan she had put in reserve in her first draft. Fine, but overall, the Obama plan devotes a far greater percentage to spending that is more likely to jump-start the economy.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 AM
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7. I didn't write it. It's from Washington Post
And Hillary followed on with the $40Billion after Obama released his plan.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:04 PM
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13. The $40B was part of her original plan, which was released before Obama's.
"If the economy continues to worsen," she said, "if all of what I just proposed were put into place as an immediate jump start to get economic action going, to get consumers spending again, then I think we should look at providing an additional $40 billion in tax rebates to working and middle-class families, not to the wealthy."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/11/572486.aspx

There was no reason to leave off the last paragraph. It was even complimentary to Obama.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:29 PM
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20. Spinnnnnnn
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:00 PM
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10. what infra-structure spending that's doable in next 6 months did Obama have in plan? Or
by "spending" do you mean just the total cost of the plan?

Spending on infrstructure would be the preferred method as those dollars are by definition spent here - whereas tax rebates spent at Walmart all go to China.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:04 PM
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14. Clinton's grade was worse than Bush's. That should tell you something.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:17 PM
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16. The Hillniacs are ignoring the issues
They're nowhere to be found in this thread. They're all about celebrity politics.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:52 AM
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8. Recommend-very impressive!
:applause: :applause:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:53 AM
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9. What good will any of the candidates "stimulus package" by a year from now?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:27 PM
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19. Stimulus packages are supposed to be temporary.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:32 PM
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22. but if they can't implement it until 2009?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:02 PM
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11. Better yet, did you see the grades the Republicans got?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:03 PM
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12. I say they should all get an F. A D at best.
And Ruth Marcus should get an F for not knowing economics.

Bush's proposed $800 would average $15.38 a week.

Tax cuts won't cut it either.

Jobs are the best stimulus for an economy. Good paying jobs with a chance of job security. And if we are going to be giving money to people taxpayers should be getting something out of it. The WPA during the New Deal provided jobs and at the same time added value to the communities.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:16 PM
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15. For an alternative opinion see Krugman
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:08 PM
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29. Because Krugman is not blatently biased. nm
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:19 PM
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17. Washington Post: C-Minus
That's my opinion of any Washingto Post analysis
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:23 PM
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18. The latest issue of the Economist praises Obama's plan over Hillary's as well.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:06 PM
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24. One of my students brought that to my attention,O.B.
:kick:
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:04 PM
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23. Kick! for THE Reality Check
eom
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:22 PM
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25. Alternate Headline: Obama's got the biggest package!
:D
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:46 PM
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26. You are SO BAAAD, My Man!

'Chelle Seems to agree.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:51 PM
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27. k&r
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:20 PM
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28. Combine Edwards and the other two would be good
Remember FDR created jobs to try to stop the depression...he created the WPA rebuilding the infrastructure, and Womens jobs, the best I can remember he sat up sewing rooms to make clothes for women, I remember seeing one of the sewing rooms, in an old hotel, you younger people can't even imagine how it looked, to me it looked like a group of wooden rums huddled together not very high, I remember the cloth, the two color I remember and the only one I remember were pink and blue, the figures on them were like the little wooden tulips you saw a few years ago. My mom some how got scraps and made a few quilts from them, if only I had just gotten one to keep... I was born in Georgia, and most people there worshiped FDR, with the exception of some of the wealthy larger farmers, I went to elementary school in middle Georgia, my school look much like the one Jimmy Carter went to...I think it was the election between Dewey and FDR ...only one large family voted against FDR. This was in my school area.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 AM
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30. kick
:kick:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:45 AM
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32. That's like saying "It MUST be true, 'cause I seen it on teh TeeVee"
It's a wonder we don't see the National Enquirer quoted just as often as the NYT and WaPo here at DU. Sheesh.
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