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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 PM
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Days after the 2004 election, at the Clinton library inaugural, Bill pulled Rove aside and said
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:32 PM by ProSense
The Clintons recognize the skill Rove has brought to politics and admire his craft, if not his ideology. Just days after the November 2004 election, Bill Clinton pulled Rove aside at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Library in Arkansas. "Hey, you did a marvelous job, it was just marvelous what you did," Clinton told Rove, according to the book "The Way to Win: Taking the White House in 2008," by John F. Harris and Mark Halperin. "I want to get you down to the library. I want to talk politics with you. You just did an incredible job, and I'd like to really get together with you and I think we could have a great conversation."

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Yeah, Kerry and Gore were in attendance as Clinton praised Rove:

On stage, even after a divisive political season, the current and former presidents set aside their partisan differences, a reminder that the institution of the presidency will always trump the person who holds the office.

Clinton said he often joked during the recent campaign, wondering whether he was the only person left in America who liked both President Bush and Kerry, men who had competing visions for the country.

Among the 100 members of Congress in the audience was Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry, just two weeks removed from the presidential race. The crowd, which had been bullied into silence by the weather, erupted in an enormous cheer when Kerry's arrival was shown on large video screens hanging above the bleachers from cranes. Here, too, was former Vice President Al Gore, who, some still argue, deserved to take over the White House in 2000.

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Sen. John Kerry entered to take his front-row seat to defiant cheering from the crowd. Then, when the presidents were announced, Bush tried to push his way past Clinton at the library door to be first in line, against the already accepted protocol for the event, as though the walk to the platform was a contest for alpha male.

In his speech, Clinton sought to clarify the present by his broad analysis of globalization -- "an age of interdependence with new possibilities and new dangers" -- and the offer of conciliation: "America has two great dominant strands of political thought; we're represented up here on this stage: conservatism, which at its very best draws lines that should not be crossed; and progressivism, which at its very best breaks down barriers that are no longer needed or should never have been erected in the first place."

In his effort to transcend the division of America into two nations, red and blue states, Clinton was applying his tradition -- the absence of dogma, the belief that good ideas can come from anywhere, and that solutions cannot be imposed but must be worked out in democratic politics by building coalitions, compromises and experimentation, of which he was leading practitioner and survivor, ever the Comeback Kid.

Offstage, beforehand, Rove and Bush had had their library tours. According to two eyewitnesses, Rove had shown keen interest in everything he saw, and asked questions, including about costs, obviously thinking about a future Bush library and legacy. "You're not such a scary guy," joked his tour guide. "Yes, I am," Rove replied. Walking away, he muttered deliberately and loudly, "I change Constitutions, I put churches in schools ..." Thus he identified himself as more than the ruthless campaign tactician -- as the invisible hand of power, pervasive and expansive, designing to alter the fundamental American compact.

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:32 PM
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1. As Scooby Doo would say
"Ruh Ro"
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:46 PM
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24. I Trust everything WaPo tells me
They're always looking after liberal interests.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 PM
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2. with KERRY AND GORE in attendance HE PRAISED ROVE?!!!
Clinton has no class and apparently no integrity.

It also leads to more proof that the Clintons didn't want a Democratic President to get in the way for Hillary to run.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:35 PM
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4. speechless
Of course he did it on purpose. The man is looking more and more selfish everyday. He wanted Kerry to lose so Hillary could win, i'm just utterly speechless.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:43 PM
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9. And Gore
He really is as self centered as you can get.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:37 PM
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5. That's our Bill Clinton.
Self-indulged. Self-absorbed. Self-centered.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:38 PM
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6. That breaks my heart.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:39 PM by globalvillage
I still have a pic of Bill above my desk at work. To think he said what Rove did was 'marvelous' with both Kerry and Gore in attendance is just unconscionable.


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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:58 PM
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30. okay first off i'm no clinton fan...but
this is pretty typical of washington...anyone who doesn't know that these people go to lunch together right after having a fight on the floor of the house or senate..just don't understand what goes on here. They truly look at the politics side as a "job" and they don't mix political and personal. How do you think Scalia and Ginsburg could be best friends?

Unfortunately "we" take this all a lot more serious than "they" do...sad but true. Twenty years ago when I worked up there...it was no different.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:55 AM
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40. not all of them. You will never hear Pat Leahy praising repukes
and there's a reason, he's hated by most of his repuke colleagues, and was told to go fuck himself by Cheney. He's not the only one. And Scalia and Ginsburg are indeed friendly, but best friends? Hyperbole.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:35 PM
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3. Wait til he sees the hatchet job Rove does on Hillary in the general election
and see if he has the cajones to stand up for her like he does with Obama. I'm betting he clams up like the wuss he really is.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:38 PM
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7. WOWWWW! Is that big news!!!!
I think you have way too much time on your hands ProSense.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:46 PM
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10. I agree that it is not news that Bill Clinton is a sleaze
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:47 PM by karynnj
which is what I would call anybody who called Rove anything nice. I regret that I ever convinced even one person that he was a good person - he seems to be missing many values. But, there may be some still believing in hope that was never really there.

It is sad to think he is the leading Democrat.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:54 PM
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27. heh
and that's what Bill Clinton REALLY said to Rove

:)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:00 AM
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43. Kick! n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:40 PM
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8. The way to win? Hmmm Poppy Bush and Marc Rich's pardon...

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/1/22/16257/1860/8#c8

Kerry's BCCI Report in Dec 1992 -List of twenty outstanding matters to be investigated

Rich was a named figure in both IranContra and BCCI's operations and that Bill HAD to
know he was pardoning another operative for Poppy Bush's illegal
dealings.


BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:49 PM
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13. But HRC knew nothing about those pardons
It's just a coincidence that she got millions from his ex-wife who asked for the pardon for her Senate campaign.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:56 PM
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18. Happy little coincidences. Wonder if opensecrets shows any of their donations
to Hillary's campaign.

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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:47 PM
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11. Now THIS IS JUST TOO NICE
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:50 PM
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14. Clinton is not nice - and I bet he really never was.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:48 PM
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12. B. Clinton is a jerk and a dishonest man. n/t
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:53 PM
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15. How disgusting.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:53 PM
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16. pretty sick
if you ask me
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:54 PM
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17. So Clinton asked Rove for advice. That explains Hillary's campaign.
Lying, swiftboating and smearing.

Absolutely disgusting. I can't believe I was once proud to have met Bill Clinton. Now he makes me sick.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:52 PM
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36. Megalomania explains it!
:puke: "Darth" Clinton...no longer "a friend of ours"
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:59 PM
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19. It all became a game for Bill a long time ago
the kid who idolized JFK is now the Al Davis of politics.

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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:12 PM
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20. This site is suppose to support Democrats. Why doesn't Bill Clinton support them?
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:32 PM
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21. They sound like a bunch of stupid little school kids who have a
whole lot of learning to do. I wonder how many of them are saints?
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sonroadera Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:43 PM
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22. Bill Clinton's admiration of Rove
is no surprise to me.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:44 PM
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23. This has been known for 3 years
Obama's Reagan comments have been overblown and misinterpreted, just as Clinton's Rove remarks have been twisted around here.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:49 PM
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25. Clinton has the ability to see past and synthesize competing elements of
thought/politics. Unlike the current President who doesn't strike me as capable of any deep thought or analysis.

That's a very interesting article.



I do think Rove is very,very scary, though.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:07 PM
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34. yes yes and yes
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:04 PM
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37. Kick! n/t
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:49 PM
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26. That last part was pretty fucking scary. eom
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 PM
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28. Inside job
HRC did nothing to HELP Gore get elected, in fact in a book excerpt I read she took money actively from his supporters,and made her presence more viable than his in the White House. It's always been about HER, about BILL, about THEM.

Then I pretty much fucking guarantee you that they did nothing to help Kerry either as of course they were biding time until 2008 when Bush would be gone (let's not do anything substantial to rock the boat while he's in office though-no matter how deep and long Bush rapes the country)
and Hillary could get what she waited all her life to have-real power.

SHE WAS OWED BY HER HUSBAND. And he's paying up. And she will bring this country down by insisting that she's OWED the presidency.

It isn't about them- it's about this country, it's about all those that have died since they have been playing their little political games to get their power which in the end has given this country war, and probably financial and certainly moral bankruptcy.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 PM
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29. And now he is on the payroll.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:01 PM
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31. And Rove contributed to the Clintons with a racist hitjob on Obama in the WSJ last month:
"He is often lazy, given to misstatements and exaggerations and, when he doesn't know the answer, too ready to try to bluff his way through."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119992615845679531.html...

The other accusations in this sentence could, of course, be made about any politician. But it's the word "lazy" that amplifies the racial stereotype.

But there's worse to come from KKKarl. Speaking of Obama's ill-advised debate line, "You're likable enough, Hillary," KKKarl says, "His trash talking was an unattractive carryover from his days playing pickup basketball at Harvard, and capped a mediocre night."

Yup, the guy who had been criticized for being too nice a guy during the campaign says one mildly condescending statement and he's trash talking. And what a surprise, he just happens to be black! And to help paint the picture for the less quick of mind, Rove makes sure he mentions basketball.

So from KKKarl we learn Obama is a lazy black man who likes to talk trash, he's all style and no substance, just like those overpaid basketball players you see on television. This narrative that Rove is pushing of Obama is the same narrative that the Clintons were trying to develop, with much more subtlety. KKKarl, however, doesn't bother with the subtleties; his fan club will just chuckle along with him.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:03 PM
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32. Clinton didn't seem too broken up when Bush stole the presidency in '00 either.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:05 PM
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33. I recall this---Bush pushing his way through the door!!-a contest for alpha male.
Bush tried to push his way past Clinton at the library door to be first in line, against the already accepted protocol for the event, as though the walk to the platform was a contest for alpha male.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:41 PM
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45. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:47 PM
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35. Kick! n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:07 PM
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38. Clinton likes Bush more than Kerry, the Clintons think Kerry hates the troops
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:50 AM
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39. along with his friendship with Scaife
he treats the Dems who defended him against Scaife and other wingnuts worse than the wingnuts.

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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:11 AM
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41. wow
Bill treats democrats worse than republicans apparently. Schmoozing with the bush's, trash talking his fellow democrat obama, saying that he liked both bush and kerry equally, this guy is pure class.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:18 PM
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46. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:07 AM
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42. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:10 PM
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44. Kick! n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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47. Clinton and Rove vs Kerry
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:21 PM
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48. Oh please, don't you know anything about the game of politics.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:30 PM
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49. 8 more years for the Clintons! Woohoo!
:puke:

Meet the Clinton's, members of the Joe Lieberman Wing of the Democratic Party. Ignore the knife in your back. A picture is worth a thousand words, see mine below.
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