Support for Obama among the base makes no sense

[MagsDem]

He's not very progressive. His voting nearly matches Clinton, but she has 3 times as much experience. He's too cowardly to actually go on record about critical issues and votes. He's a hypocrite -- critical of Hillary for her AUF vote, but excused Kerry and campaigned for him with an opposite message. He has extremely close ties to a corrupt Chicago landlord. He panders to "Reaganites" and isn't even smart enough to realize they will never vote for him. He panders, period. He shows every sign of not being able to play with the big boys and girls in campaigning -- lots of complaining about how rough his fellow candidates are on him. The ONLY federal election he has ever ran and won was against Alan (right wing nut job) Keyes. He has no proven ability to run and win a tough campaign. None. And some folks are happy to put him up as our nominee for POTUS?

I just don't see anything to recommend the guy. I really think he will be done after Super Tuesday, but it will continue to be a mystery to me why anyone from DU (arguably the liberal base of the party) supports his candidacy. Makes no sense.

[Kittycat]

1. Nice try

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4188322&mesg_id=4188322

[MagsDem]

6. Obama's support from the base STILL makes no sense

Do you realize you all sound like freepers screaming about Bill's penis everytime you answer an objection about your candidate with the words "Bill Clinton?" I mean, that IS exactly what freepers do when you'd criticize any republican. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with the problems with Obama. None, nada, zilch.

[neutron]

12. My spouse isn't impressed either

went over to HRC after the NH and NV debates.
Thinks Obama is a charmer, but this is the PRESIDENCY already.

[Kittycat]

13. The clintons and their love of Rovian politics & the bush's*

has nothing to do with his penis. But thanks for the reminder about how he can't keep it in his pants.

[DaLittle Kitty]

97. NEWBIES and Liberal Base Are Basic MOB Mentality of Following W/O THINKING...

Obama is COMPLETELY devoid of substance has no idea what he is talking about... He Just "Speaks" thats why he is now getting caught all the time..."BEING AN AMATEUR" CANDIDATE... Hopefully some of the Feb 5th'ers will have some sense and start voting for Edwards before the whole thing is totally fu*ked Up... :wtf:

[sunonmars]

2. well when you put it like that, its about right

[sonroadera]

3. It makes no sense you, but it makes a lot of sense to me

and many others.

Hillary Clinton makes no sense to me.

[MagsDem]

7. Really? Why?

Tell me what there is about him that would merit the support from the progressive or liberal base of the democratic party voters? And psst, there IS someone else running besides Obama and Clinton. ;)

[Occam Bandage]

4. The fact that you have not yet forgotten to breathe makes no sense to me, but I deal with it.

[MagsDem]

11. So you can't really articulate your reasons why you support him?

I read here everyday, and no one ever really says why they support him. Is it just because he's black and that seems progressive. Alan Keyes is black -- would you help nominate him? He is the least progressive amoung the three front runners. Has more in common with Joe Lieberman than the base of the party. Why do you support him?

[Occam Bandage]

21. Because you're not worth it.

[MagsDem]

24. I think it's because you don't have a good reason...

I read your other posts. :)

[Occam Bandage]

30. Clearly not enough of them.

[laugle]

65. I think his reason is

because they are both from Chicago....LOL

Geez....ask a civil question and you get snark................LOL

Damn.....I really wanted to hear the answer........like you.....I am baffled at the hero worship......

[AX10]

100. It's a cult personality thing.

[featherman]

5. Why deceive when so easily proven wrong?

Here is one rating:

http://www.majorityrules.org/blog/2007/03/senator-barack-obama-more-liberal-than.html

[MagsDem]

17. Well that's just ridiculous

Are you that easily taken in? Obama has the thinnest voting record of any candidate listed there. Obama is in no way, shape or form more liberal than those folks he is compared against on that blog, and only a true moron would think those statistics mean jack. He has a 2 yr voting record, and the rest have been voting for 8 yrs to 20 plus years. Do you understand statistics? That blog writer sure doesn't.

[featherman]

20. Gee...ain't facts like actual voting records tough

"Obama has a 95 percent liberal rating from Americans for Democratic Reform"

http://www.examiner.com/a-538596~Perception_vs__reality.html

[MagsDem]

29. Those aren't facts when he has rarely voted

He's been in the senate for all of 3 yrs, 2.5 of which there were no liberal issues to vote on because rethugs were in charge. He ought to be bumped down to 50% just for those dumb comments he made praising republicans.

[jackson_dem]

54. Hillary has similar ratings yet Obamites call her conservative

[MoonRiver]

8. He talks a good talk.

Unfortunately his walk is lame.

[cali]

105. And don't forget, according to YOU, he was a Muslim and lied about

it. Your posts are uniformly sickening. :puke:

[Eric J in MN]

9. Similarly, I prefer Obama to Hillary Clinton because he opposed the Iraq War from the start, but...

...I did all I could for John Kerry, who voted to authorize the Iraq War.

[neutron]

16. there's really lots of other stuff

fixating on one thing seems kinda myopic. Her economic policy is stellar.

[MagsDem]

19. All signs are he would have voted "present" ....

rather than either for or against the AUW. I am not the least swayed by what a candidate that wasn't there to vote says about how they WOULD have voted. Never have been in 29 years of voting and not going to start now. And especially not with him, since he seems to have a penchant to dissemble and mislead.

[Eric J in MN]

23. A month after the IWR vote in the Senate, Obama said he would have voted "Nay"

....in an interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

[laugle]

66. Welcome newby,

I am enjoying your analysis, you seem to see through the veneer and I think others will too!

Rhetoric is not change and 137 "present" votes is not leadership!

[pathansen]

34. Obama has flipflopped on the war

[karynnj]

46. No he hasn't no matter how often the Clinton's say so

[jasmine621]

78. You know, if Hillary's vote had been the deciding vote, then maybe

I might be more angry about it. But other Dems voted for it too. I am amazed that DUers almost make it sound like Hillary's vote was the only vote that counted for the Iraq invasion. And, if we had left after toppling Saddam, as we should have, what would all of you be saying now about her vote?

[water]

10. The fact that he's not far left will help him out in the general election.

He's the best chance this country has for ending Republican leadership, and that's way many members of the "base" support him.

[MagsDem]

22. I really doubt he is going to get the nomination....

But even if he did, he'd get creamed in the general. If his supporters here are voting for him because they think he's electable you're in for a sad shock. People lie like rugs to pollsters when it might make them look like bigots. I have seen this over and over again in regards to polls commissioned about gay rights issues compared to the actual election results.

[Yael]

14. And for some of us, it makes not sense that the rally isn't behind the progressive

[MagsDem]

31. That's what I'm saying.....

Edwards is by far the most liberal candidate among the front runners. Obama is a media creation.

[Yael]

63. Thank you. n/t

[thoughtcrime1984]

106. When was Edwards particularly liberal?

Oh, you mean the campaign promises, not what he actually did in the Senate....OK...talk about the walk being lame, ma'am.

[crispini]

15. "Talks a good talk" (to reference an earlier poster) -- this makes good sense in the general.

We as Dem primary voters put waaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on details and policy and not NEARLY enough on "the vision thing." I think that's why Obama made the comparison to Reagan -- he gets that we need to be able to articulate a clear vision for dreams and the future.

[MagsDem]

What's his?

Because all I have heard are BS platitudes.

[crispini]

36. platitudes ARE vision

in our world today. ;) think about what general election voters will go for, seriously.

[MagsDem]

44. No one wants to have a beer with Obama

... he sounds alternatly whiny and lecturing. I will predict he will underperform by 5 to 10 pts as compared to polls in the Super Tuesday states. That's the fudge factor we found for people that don't want pollsters to think they are bigots. And that is what we saw in NH. He should be closer to his polling in SC due to the african american turnout, but he will underperform in general as he did in NH because of people lying to pollsters.

[crispini]

64. Do you think people want to have a beer with Clinton?

:shrug:

[MagsDem]

73. I'd rather have a beer with Edwards

But yeah, as a woman, I wouldn't mind shooting the shit with Hillary either. I think there are lots of women that would. Every Dem woman I know is voting for her, despite my pitch for Edwards.

[crispini]

77. Well, hell, if she wins, I think she'd be pretty decent.

I think all of our three would, honestly.

I just miss Al. :( Wish he had run.

[MagsDem]

80. I could kick Gore in the ass for not running

I love the guy, but I could really kick him in the butt. He would have run away with it, IMO, and beat any republican handily. Then the media meme would have been the guy got cheated out of it, and now he deserves it.

[crispini]

81. Exactly. It would have been a totally visionary story.

NEVER underestimate the power of narrative...... Oh well. Sigh.

[featherman]

18. "Obama has a 95 percent liberal rating

from Americans for Democratic Reform"

http://www.examiner.com/a-538596~Perception_vs__reality.html

I mean, really, I could go on and on but I thought that was why Google was invented.

[jackson_dem]

26. And Hillary has similar ratings yet Obamites call her conservative

They vote together 90% of the time.

[MagsDem]

33. Exactly

I mean if the base is going to blow the most progressive candidate in Edwards, as if he didn't exist, and pick a conservative Dem with no populist message you'd think they'd at least go with the person that has been kicking right wing ass for 30 years instead of some guy that hasn't proven he can kick any ass at all.

[LittleClarkie]

43. Obama people don't just call her that

Alot of people on DU call her conservative.

[laugle]

69. Hey LC, I'm conservative, I like lower

taxes and less pork spending.......their are plenty of conservative dems.......nothing wrong with that.......

[dkf]

101. I don't call her conservative, I call her deceitful and misleading.

Also, Rovian. But that has to do with tactics, not with ideology.

[netania99]

27. Americans for Democratic Reform

Hi! I googled "Americans for Democratic Reform" and only got 7 hits - 3 about Senator Obama and his 95% rating and 4 about Ethiopians lobbying Americans for democratic reform. Does anyone have a website or information about the group "Americans for Democratic Reform?" I was wondering how they rank other candidates. Thanks!

[jackson_dem]

25. He has done it through a cult of personality and being a cypher with no real positions

[dkf]

102. The "cypher" with no real positions has a ton of stuff at his

website. I was going to put them all down here, but it was too much work.

Here is a small section on credit cards:

# Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Credit cards could turn into the next subprime market crisis. In addition to being able to easily understand how risky a given credit card is, every American should have a uniform set of rights while dealing with credit card companies, no matter their financial status or credit history. To protect those rights, Barack Obama will require the Federal Trade Commission to analyze credit card company compliance with these basic rights, and provide the Department of Justice with the full authority to investigate and penalize non-compliant companies.� The Obama credit card bill of rights will:

* Ban Unilateral Changes: Currently, credit card companies can unilaterally change the terms of a credit card agreement at any time for any reason with only a 15-day notice to the consumer. Barack Obama will ban these unilateral changes in credit card agreements unless companies have obtained written consent from consumers and have followed the rules and terms of the agreement.
* Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt: Credit card companies often apply increased interest rates to both new debt incurred by the cardholder, as well as previously incurred debt. Barack Obama will require increased interest rates to apply only to future credit card debt, and not to debt incurred prior to the increase.
* Prohibit Interest on Fees: Credit card companies often charge interest on transaction fees, such as late fees or paying a bill by telephone. Barack Obama will prohibit credit card issuers from charging interest on transaction fees.
* Prohibit ”Universal Defaults”: ”Universal defaults” are a practice in which a credit card company raises an individual's interest rate based on failure to pay a different creditor on time. Barack Obama will prohibit this practice.
* Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments: Barack Obama will require credit card issuers to apply payments first to the credit card balance with the highest rate of interest and to minimize finance charges.

[dkf]

103. I like these too!

* Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.

* Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.

* Release Presidential Records: Obama will nullify the Bush attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.

Free the Executive Branch from Special Interest Influence

* Close the Revolving Door on Former and Future Employers: No political appointees in an Obama administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.

[earthlover]

28. "I just don't see anything to recommend the guy"....

"I just don't see anything to recommend the guy"....

Pompous aren't we?!

[MagsDem]

35. How do you decide who to vote for?

What's pompous about taking into consideration all the items I listed? I do have a habit of thinking for myself. What do you do -- let the teevee tell you who to vote for?

[Name removed]

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[MagsDem]

37. So all Edwards or Clinton supporters are trolls?

You know, it's very telling that not a single person responding to this post can articulate their reasons for supporting Obama. I guess it is and shall remain a complete mystery. No one knows why anyone supports him, I guess.

Good reason he won't win the nomination. Sad to say, he is going to the be the reason we get stuck with Hillary. But at least she has experience, and she won't let the rethugs run all over her in the GE like Kerry did.

[dionysus]

39. no, not at all. when you post trollish OPs, you look like a fool.

just sayin'

[MagsDem]

45. There's nothing trollish about stating my opinion

about Obama. That's the purpose of the forum. A troll is not someone you disagree with, you know. Grow up.

[dionysus]

48. when you basically state a frontrunner has no business being in it, yeah it is.

i oppose hillary, but i don't say she has no business being in the race.

[MagsDem]

52. Well I plead guilty.... I think he is a total media creation

A woman or a white guy with the exact same resume wouldn't get the time of day from the media. And he wouldn't get the time of day from me if he was a white guy or a woman either, so don't start whining about racism or sexism.

[dionysus]

67. i don't whine about that shit.... next?

[Alexander]

41. No, just the ones who act like you.

[jackson_dem]

57. Obamite thugs threaten anyone who speaks out against Obama. Ignore them

[cascadiance]

38. The Borg wants you assimilated!

They are giving you this choice:



and 7 of 9 helped pave the way for Obama by nuking her husband's chances against him in his Senate race!

[MagsDem]

47. No, you can also vote for John Edwards

.... who is much more progressive than either Obama or Clinton. That is who I am voting for, and I don't care what the teevee people say I should do.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

51. How is he more progressive then them?

Going by his senate record he is much closer to a centrist, if you go by his current rhetoric then sure he 'sounds' liberal, but thats speaking only with no proof to back up his words as that(the senate record) paints a different picture.

I mean, Edwards has apologized for most his major votes, so what does he have left but his rhetoric?

[MagsDem]

55. He had to represent his constituents, like every politician

But he truly and faithly is very progressive and populist in his heart. As I said, I have had the opportunity to have two fairly extended one on one conversations with him, so I don't have to rely on his senate record as my sole measure of him. It's really a shame the media is determined to make this a contest between the woman and the african american candidate.... because Edwards just isn't being heard.

[cali]

107. You aren't very knowledgable are you, pumpkin?

Bob Kerrey was far more liberal- and he was from Nebraska. At least 2 deep red state dems voted against the IWR, and so did quite a few reps. It isn't all about where you're from. I would tell you to educate yourself, but I doubt you have the capacity to do so.

[thoughtcrime1984]

108. Exactly

I think so many are caught in not wanting to look like corporate sheep that they jump to the one candidate not getting face time. I like my candidate, and don't see Edwards as more liberal than him.

[Jed Dilligan]

40. He's likeable, which Hillary isn't

He is an inspiring speaker, which Hillary isn't. He's enigmatic enough that we can believe he might do great things once he's past the hurdle of getting elected. He seems conservative now, but a lot of us understand that, as a black person, he HAS to, just as Hillary's supporters forgive her her "macho" votes for Bush wars. I mean, he's not going to veto liberal legislation just because he paid lip service to Reagan once, is he? If he learns not to get baited by the attacks, he will be able to rip up McCain or Romney in the real debates. Furthermore, this is the campaign, not the presidency. Anyone who bases their vote on the policy platforms getting floated around at this stage hasn't been watching too carefully.

Hillary, on the other hand, just seems soulless to me. (No, that is not a slur on her being white.) The only times she seems human are when she is being emotional--the usual emotion being anger. Maybe that represents how we've felt these past seven years, but it does not bode well for her as a world leader.

[MagsDem]

49. Thank you for an honest response

See, I do not think he is going to magically change stripes once elected, and I also do not see him being able to handle republican attacks in the general election either. I just haven't seen that he can handle a tough campaign. Every indication is that he can't. I think he'll get his butt kicked just like Kerry did. Not a huge fan of Hillary, but I do trust that she can kick some rethug ass in the GE election campaign.

I'm voting for Edwards. I've met him one on one twice, and had time to really speak to him about issues, and he is so passionate about his beliefs, and he's no pushover either. I am absolutely convinced he is the best man for the job. I think we fuck ourselves up as a party when we start to go down the road of inspired speakers, or whatever image the media has created about Obama.

To me, Obama either isn't progressive enough to get my vote, or he doesn't have the guts to speak his "true" progressive mind in a campaign if he's hiding it.

[Jed Dilligan]

50. I might vote Edwards or Obama

The only thing I'm sure of is, I'm not voting Hillary.

[MS Liberal]

42. Well said!!!!

Agree and recommend.

[IsItJustMe]

53. Damn, sound like a repug stomp speach. LOL Just saying....

[MagsDem]

58. Why? Because I think the POTUS

Should have more experience than the extremely thin record he has? Look, we got our ass kicked last time because the powers that be nominated Kerry, who just could not handle the attacks from the rethugs. Obama is such a wussy that he won't vote on things that could be used against him in a campaign. That's like the Kerry wussy factor x 10. And sorry, I just don't understand how our base can vote for a guy that has never proven that he actually has the guts to stand up for us. In fact, there seems to be ample proof that is the last thing we can count on him to do.

[cali]

109. Suzanne Goldenberg of the Guardian and author of "Madame President"

demolished Hill's boast of 35 years of experience tonight on NPR. And Obama's experience is no thinner- in fact less thin than Lincoln's was or than Stevenson's was. You certainly do love your feeble little army of strawmen, don't you?

[cooolandrew]

56. There are various quotes of Clinton's praise of Reagan stated on Malloy Jan 23rd . Also...

...Barack has drafted legislation at national and state level for longer than the other 2 candidates.

[cooolandrew]

59. I think Walmart trumps a dodgy landlord who donated to him. Lovely Lovely walmart.

[MagsDem]

62. Rezko is no mere donor

He is a lifelong patron, whom Obama did favors for and bought land with. His association with Obama helped the guy rip the government off for millions of dollars in government funding for his slums. And I'm sorry, it is just not possible for someone in state government not to know that his pal and constituent is a slumlord in the very district he represents.

[MagsDem]

60. Oh come on....

Have you ever spent any time at all involved in State politics? I have. Years and years.

Does your state have a public station like CSPAN for state government? If they do, do yourself a favor and turn it on one day. Now watch it for a few days. Then come back here and tell me which of them you'd like to transport directly to the office of POTUS as CiC.

Sorry, but he is in NO WAY qualified for this job. And what really bugs is that he is not willing to gain experience. He just thinks he deserves to skip all the hard work and be annointed or something.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

61. He figures he'll be a figurehead like his idol, Reagan n.t

[ginchinchili]

68. He's not a "bad guy" any more than Hillary is "scary."

It's just that they're both poor choices for the Democrats to choose in this election. It's really not too hard. You look at the most qualified people and choose the one who is likable and who you believe can run a strong campaign against the Republicans, and that includes factoring in any baggage they may have. If the Democrats stuck to that simple method we wouldn't have these two. The only chance the Democrats have is that the Republicans chose poorly too.

[MagsDem]

74. Sad, isn't it? We let the media do the nominating

.. and act like sheeple and just go along. The media want the battle between the woman and the african american, and we are only too happy to go along.

[ginchinchili]

76. You're exactly right. And now it's beginning to look like the media...

has decided that an African American running for president will be more news worthy that having a Caucasian woman running. It's very disturbing. And far too many Americans seem so oblivious to it all. Those of us that aren't can only sit back and watch the Titanic heading straight toward the iceberg.

[MagsDem]

79. Yes, it's like a horrific replay....

... of the last time the media annointed the least qualified person running, GW Bush. Of course Obama won't win -- the rethugs will eat him for lunch if he gets to the GE, just like they did with Kerry (whom the media also annointed because he fit the "war hero" meme they were interested in pushing the last time). It's all too pathetic.

[jeffrey_X]

70. Ok.

eom

[LowerManhattanite]

71. Ignored

See ya.

[MagsDem]

72. maybe someone else can help me here....

Am I supposed to give a shit that someone is ignoring my posts? If so, why? And if not, why do people post such announcements?

[wisteria]

75. He offers a fresh start and a new direction. I believe in going forward not backwards.

I for one do not want to relive the Clinton's years. There was some good, but also an awful lot of BS. I am tired of the divisions in this country and the Clinton's will only bring more of that.
It is time to give someone new a chance.

[MagsDem]

83. If you're tired of divisions, stop watching politics

Because like it or not, we ARE divided, and for good reason. Unfortunately the rethugs found a way to merge the corporatists and the evangelicals to bring us the worst of both worlds. And it's not going to change until we kick their asses with a real candidate that knows how to fight to win. Pandering to the right is not going to get votes from the south, from the rich, or from the crazy born again right wing nut Christians. It's simply going to make our candidate look weak. When is the last time you saw a republican presidential candidate pledge to work with Democrats. The answer is never. Wussies and panderers don't get elected POTUS -- never have, never will.

[BlackVelvet04]

82. I don't dislike Obama.....

and just recently decided to vote for Edwards in the primary, but my problem with Obama is I don't think he's realistic. When he said he didn't want mandatory health care because he "believes" people will buy insurance if they can afford it, I just thought he was being very naive. Yes, I think most people will buy insurance if they can afford it but then you have the young couples who have other priorities and who think they are immortal and they won't buy it. Then you have scam artists who instead of buying insurance will try to scam the system. And then you have the drug addicts who can't be bothered. Etc, etc.

I for one don't much care what a candidate "believes"....show me facts and figures. Show me something that matches the reality I see every day.

[Danger Mouse]

84. How do you feel about Clinton, then?

[MagsDem]

86. I'd prefer Edwards

But I can live with Clinton. She will definitely not take shit from republicans in congress. Obama will give in constantly. He is already pandering to them under some delusional idea that moderate rethugs will vote for him. Never, ever gonna happen. All it does is make him look weak, and like he doesn't believe in his own party's ideology.

[Danger Mouse]

88. I support Edwards, too

but will never support Clinton.

[MagsDem]

91. Well just remember then....

530 people like you, who felt that way about Gore, gave us GW Bush for 8 yrs.

[Danger Mouse]

93. I'll vote for her in the general election, don't worry about that.

Apparently you missed my 'wtf is wrong with people' thread from a couple of days.
I hate her, but I'm not fucking stupid either.

[MagsDem]

95. Well good - apparently we agree on much more...

than we disagree about. :)

[Danger Mouse]

96. Hillary would be much better for this country than any of the Repukes.

there's no doubt about that in my mind.
and maybe she'd kick nancy's ass a little, lord knows she needs it.

[RiverStone]

85. Obama unites, Hillary divides. What about that don't you get?...n/t

[MagsDem]

87. I'll tell you exactly what I don't get.....

why the hell do we want to be united with rethuglican ideology? Uniter my ass, that is slang for panders and gives into the rethuglican ideology, which has been NOTHING short of a disaster for this country.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

89. Preach it!

Love your slap-downs like that one.

[krabigirl]

90. Exactly!

[RiverStone]

92. Call it what you will...

But Hillary has the highest negatives of ANY candidate in either party.

The disaster for this country would be to get our ass kicked by fronting the most divisive candidate the Dems could offer.

Obama may be a default vote, even a compromise vote for me (Gore never ran and Kucinich never had a chance) - but I want to win in the fall! It gets down to who can win across all socio-economic groups and parties. Probably Edwards, but he has to work against the corporate media - I'd say Obama has the next best chance.

I'd rather win with a compromise vote, than lose with a stupid one. What I don't get is how Hil supporters rationalize her negative ratings as a positive?

[MagsDem]

94. Well wait until the rethugs get a hold of him

Their entire campaign will consist of "his middle name is Hussein" and "his parents are Muslim." Low negatives don't mean jack when half the country knows nothing about you. If that's not enough they will highlight his thin resume, and the really naive things he has said about foreign policy. And while they are smearing him up one side and down the other he'll be standing their sputtering about how he wants to "unite" the country, complaining that his opponent's campaign and their surrogates are being mean to him.

Hillary's negatives are as high as they are going to get, and she still comes up even or winning against every rethug in national polls. Same polls show most of them beating Obama and Edwards handily. Add to that that women are coming out in droves to voter for her -- 59% of the dem turnout in NV was women. I suspect we will see more of the same on Super Tuesday.

[TheDonkey]

98. Are you on drugs?

seriously. Obama's not progressive....... WOOOOOWWWW!!!

[VotesForWomen]

99. it's a mystery to me, too.

[cali]

104. Partisan shit. Obama is the 10th most liberal Senator

Clinton the 31st. She does not have 3x more experience than he does- unless you dishonestly ignore his 7 years in the Illinois Senate, and count her years as First Lady. Your logic is tainted by your adulation. And it smells. Big time. Of course Obama campaigned for Kerry- that was the general, genius. duh.

what a moronic post. Are you sure you're smart enough to figure out how to vote?

[Adelante]

110. I believe the OP is an Edwards supporter

Suddenly smelling blood.