Three Primary Reasons I feel Hillary would be more electible than Obama

[pathansen]

1. The economy is becoming a huge issue. So, even Republicans right now are probably yearning for the “Good Ole Days” when the Clintons were in the White House.

2. Hillary is more experienced with handling adversity than Obama. Obama appears green, has not really been tested yet. He doesn’t appear to be as tough as it takes to win in Washington.

3. There are more women voters. More women vote Democratic. It also appears that the Democratic volunteers have been overwhelmingly women, usually older women. Committed volunteers are crucial to winning an election. They are the dedicated ones who tend to make phone calls, go door to door, host events, volunteer on election day and so on. I think some of them would be more likely to work harder to get the first woman elected President than the first Black man.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. ..

[waiting for hope]

2. I kinda take offense to the last bit -

"I think they would be more likely to work harder to get the first woman elected President than the first Black man." - I would like to think that they would vote for the person and the issues, not gender or race. But hey, I'm just a dumb woman, what do I know?

[mondo joe]

6. And yet we know that thus far Hillary has had a strong show of votes from that demographic -

particularly among older women.

One might argue why - but there's a bit of real data supporting the notion.

For what it's worth, it's not necessarily insulting at all. With 3 qualified candidates, some fine points come into play. And it would be really nice to see a woman or black person break through that glass ceiling.

[waiting for hope]

11. I don't know - I never considered

voting for Hillary just because she was a woman. After all the turmoil this country has been through, I chose the candidate I feel will do more to right the wrongs and take this country forward. No offense to Hillary, she doesn't doesn't do that for me.

[mondo joe]

12. I think the "just because" is very inaccurate.

I don't think anyone - at least no statistically significant number - is supporting Hillary "just because" she's a woman.

I think her supporters do so for a variety of reasons, and her being a woman might be a bonus - but it's not the basis of their support.

PS: In the interest of full disclosure, my support of Hillary is enhanced by the fact that she's a woman - but that's o enough to be the basis of my support. Just a perk.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. ...

:thumbsup:

[pathansen]

9. Many would continue to volunteer but probably not as many

I think some women might feel snubbed, esp. since its the very first time a woman has ever run for President. They have always appeared to be the strongest supporters of male Democratic candidates.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. But She's A Calculating Liar

McCain is perceived as honest. Score one for McCain

They both voted for an insane war. No advantage there for Clinton.

We've got big problems if The Prevaricator gets the nod.

[jackson_dem]

13. "Present"

[thunder rising]

4. And the Republicans surely identify with her politics!

[Kittycat]

5. Small problem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4188322&mesg_id=4188322

[pathansen]

16. My interpretation of that is that he said it in jest

I think Clinton was obviously talking about Rove's intellect and not his morals.
Most people would agree that even though Rove's a crook, he's a smart crook.

[DJ13]

7. Clinton vs. McCain = Democratic loss

Experience goes to McCain.

Likability, sadly also goes to McCain.

Foriegn policy issues goes to McCain.

[adapa]

8. sezz you. He's an old fart & what does he know about the economy?

[rodeodance]

14. well, we know he will bleed us dry on the iraq war. dry blood

[adapa]

20. He might try & give it a go on the war but it's the economy

Hillary can stand her own on the war issue, tho. She will be well schooled in the issue's dealing with security & war. However, I simply can't imagine Obama standing toe to toe with McCain & going at it on the war issue.

Personally I'd love to see Biden as a Hillary surrogate going up against McCain on the war issue.

[pathansen]

18. Clinton has received much higher ratings from important interest groups

Likability clearly goes to Clinton as far as these ratings go.
See www.vote-smart.org and compare their ratings from different interest groups.

[Colobo]

10. Obama beats all of them. Hillary struggles with them.

[rodeodance]

15. polls polls --you still trust them?>

[IsItJustMe]

19. Devils advocate: Three reasons why everything you said can be turned on its head.

1) Hillary is not Bill
2) Hillary is an insider, people might someone who is not
3) Woman are not a monolithic group. If a voter makes race and gender a factor in their vote, black women may choose Barack. Some woman will vote against her because she is a woman. None of this is clear to me, anyway.