Is it just me, or the hatred some people have for either Obama or Hillary...

[Colobo]

is purely visceral and irrational? It seems like these two candidates not only attract the admiration and fierce support from many Dems, but also they seem to cause some sort of repulsion on many people around here at least.

I don't like Hillary as a candidate but I don't hate her or even dislike her as a person. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee (not with a smile, that I tell you). Still, I don't have an aversion to her.

Why do Obama and Hillary generate this among many DUers? It seems the reason is not even political... just aversion to them...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. I don't hate Obama. There's not enough there to hate. I want a winner.

[Occam Bandage]

5. You're just obsessed with him.

[boston bean]

27. you're obsessed with P2BA. nt

[Cant trust em]

2. it's because they've been labeled as front runners

Edwards people think that they candidate isn't getting a fair shake against these two.

[Occam Bandage]

3. Considering that they're virtually identical, it's strange.

[Cant trust em]

6. You think Clinton and Obama are nearly identical? n/t

[Occam Bandage]

7. In style, they're far apart as can be. In message, they're far apart as can be.

In everything else, they're remarkably similar.

[Cant trust em]

13. Do you mean message is different than issues?

I'm not trying to bust your chops, I just want to know what you mean.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Yes.

Obama talks hope. Hillary talks pragmatism. Obama talks grassroots. Hillary talks machine.

Both are heavily corporatized. Both are right of moderate in the Democratic spectrum. Neither seems interested in shaking up the MIC.

Much more alike than different in substance - worlds apart in style.

[Occam Bandage]

18. Yes, certainly.

[VotesForWomen]

16. i agree. nt

[NJSecularist]

4. Yup

We have the Obamabots with their irrational hatred toward Hillary. We have the Hillites with their irrational hatred towards Obama. And then we have the Edheads with their irrational hate towards Obama and Clinton.

[mondo joe]

8. I think it's less about the candidate and more about GD:P

In the last week I've grown to start to feel hatred for Obama, which has probably nothing to do with him, and a lot to do with exchanges with some (not all) of his advocates here.

I'm not blaming them - I'm assuming they've had the same experience with Clinton advocates or even Edwards advocates.

I certainly have a real problem with Obama over what I consider his diss to gays. But I didn't hate him for it - until I started arguing about it here.

[avaistheone1]

9. I hope no one seriously hates Obama or Hillary

I know for sure I don't, and never have. But, I suspect some people on the forum get overly passionate about their candidate and things go haywire from there when they start mixing it up with someone of a different opinion. I don't make more of it than that.

[Colobo]

10. With all due respect to John and Elizabeth Edwards...

Elizabeth was FINE!!! She's still beautiful! :bounce:

[avaistheone1]

12. Thanks for the compliment. She is verrrry fine.

[Patsy Stone]

11. Don't forget

Some of it is made up drama, just for the hell of it, to perk up a boring afternoon.

[avaistheone1]

14. Hell yeah!

It wouldn't surprise me. There are some folks who are testy by nature.

[Kucinich4America]

15. I don't hate Hillary Clinton as a person, but I despise the DLC

Everything it stands for, and everything it has done to harm this party and this country. And the Clintons ARE the DLC. And the Bush-Clinton dynasty IS one entity, as much as some want to deny it. I don't want Hillary to get run over by a bus or anything, but I can never, and will never vote for her.

As for Obama, I want to like the guy. I really do. He gives a great speech, and when he did so at the 2004 convention, I figured he would be a serious contender for a future presidency, though I never thought it would be this soon. But, for all of his talk of uniting the country, he only seems to be looking in one direction. Whether it's endorsements from DLC hardliners, encouraging Republicans to vote for him, or including vile homophobes like McCloset in his campaign events, Barack seems to be putting all of his eggs in the right wing basket and ignoring us Liberals, if not deliberately alienating us. Right now, I would really have to hold my nose to vote for him if he were the nominee.

Obviously, I'm a little soured on the whole goddamn process at the moment, since my candidate dropped out today, but this election season is really running the risk of becoming another 1988. I really hope Edwards can convince me otherwise.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Plus, it stands to reason, that if HRC wins, it will be the 3rd heavily DLC Staffed Executive Branch

ushered in come 2009.

Just go to The Clintonian DLC website and thoughtfully STUDY their politically right-of-center, (corporations rock-on!) positions?

http://www.dlc.org/

Now tell me, with a straight face, that a DLC run Executive Branch would be *substantially different* than a RNC Executive Branch? Remember that the operative words are SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT?

NO? I submit that Obama's Staff within an 2009 Executive Branch will, at a minimum, bring in new blood and along with that the potential for PROGRESS vice "the old guard" status quo cronies. :shrug:

If we are to usher in "any hope" we must turn away from HRC's husband's DLC Staffed Executive Branch. A candy-coated fiscally retro-Goldwater vision of how to run our nation. :thumbsdown:

[OHdem10]

20. Some of it is the competition each want to win

Unfortunately when Obama came into the race, he was billed as
the anti-Hilary or the alternative to Hilary. This created
dissension right off the bat. (between the supporters of each)

For whatever the reason the Media went into a swoon over Obama
and this turned a lot of us off. The appearance of favoritism
is always contentious and makes for resentment.

You are right -- it is now visceral.at least it appears that way

[ShortnFiery]

21. The Media is ruled by "the establishment" - The corporate media was consolidated during Clinton's

reign. For whatever B.S. initial Obama-swooning by the M$M after Iowa, I have no doubt that it was "part of the plan" for a build up and knock down. Am I the only one who saw a "contrived nature" to Tweety's spittle during that brief M$M love affair with Obama?

The M$M LOVES the thought of EIGHT MORE years of A Clintonian Executive Branch: Continued media consolidation and endless scandal. Could any smarmy info-tainment mega-corporation ask for anything more? :puke:

The great social scientist, Don Henley, would say NOT. ;)

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we haven't told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!

[laugle]

22. I'm with you Katz,

I don't hate Obama, If he were the nominee I would certainly vote for him against the rethugs, but not because I think he is the best qualified, I have much more confidence in Hill and Bill.

I could spend my time here saying many nice things about Obama, but instead feel I have to defend Hillary.

Unfortunately, the nice things I like in Obama, do not translate into the leadership and other qualities I want in a candidate for president!

[sandnsea]

23. I don't understand people who don't hate her

I don't expect anybody to be perfect. But I hate people who try to create neighborhood or community disruptions. I hate people who try to cheat people out of their vote. I hate people who smear someone's character, intentionally, and for no other reason than personal gain.

I don't understand why they haven't been run off the campaign trail by now. People are actually choosing to have 8 years of this shit. They're the ones I don't understand.

[laugle]

24. recommended.......I like a kumbaya moment......lol

[eridani]

25. I just hate money dictating who our candidates will be

Nothing against either personally.

[lutefisk]

26. It's degenerating into a kind of sports team hatred thing

The MSM encourages this by constructing the political process as a sort of race to the "Superbowl." What a sad state of affairs!

[laugle]

28. kick