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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:07 PM
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Another great Clinton photo
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:10 PM by geek tragedy


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E0DA1039F937A15751C0A9679C8B63

The federal authorities in Manhattan are investigating whether there were any violations of the law in President Bill Clinton's decision to commute the sentences of four Hasidic men who were convicted of defrauding the government of tens of millions of dollars, people familiar with the investigation said.

Details of the investigation were not available, but questions have been raised in recent weeks about whether clemency for the four men was in exchange for votes for Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was running for the United States Senate.

Three of the four men are from New Square, N.Y., a village in Rockland County that on Nov. 7 voted 1,400 to 12 for Mrs. Clinton over Rick A. Lazio, a Republican congressman.

The tight-knit community, which has voted in the past as a bloc for candidates from both parties, had mounted an aggressive campaign to win the men's release.

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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:08 PM
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1. Oye Vay!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:09 PM
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2. If the Clintons wanna play...we can play...
:rofl:

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:10 PM
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3. I'm just getting warmed up. n/t
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Clintonite Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:10 PM
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4. Zulchzulu - I like the way you think! Too bad Obama is not as tough and thick skined like you though
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:17 PM
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7. LOL! He owned Hillary during the last debate!
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:19 PM by TwoSparkles
Obama didn't back down, and yet he managed to remain dignified and composed--as
he revealed Hillary's obvious lies.

Are you actually saying that Hillary is "thick skinned"?? Sure, she's able to read
talking points and things are just swimmingly when she's lying and bashing Obama
at one of her orchestrated press conferences.

However, when Obama zinged her with her Walmart connections--she looked like she
was going to vomit. She's polished and professional until someone crosses her or
dares to engage in real debate.

Hillary's act is about a mile wide, and one millimeter thick. What lies beneath
the surface is a very indignant, gristly person who thinks the Presidency is
entitled to her--and how dare anyone say otherwise!! That side of Hillary
surfaced during the debate, in spades.

Obama showed that he was a formidable opponent. Hillary pulls her screeching, lip-pursing
routine---and seems to run off the rails.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:22 PM
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9. Must've ben watching different debates
The rest of the country saw a green candidate who gives uncomfortable, dodging answers when criticized. Bother Clinon and Edwards nailed him on that, repeatedly.
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:43 PM
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18. It is too easy to see when Hillary gets wounded
because she starts talking a mile a minute and her voice gets louder and strident.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:22 PM
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10. LOL - the Obama folks should decide which argument they're going with.
Is it:

a. We're not like those mean Clintons - we don't do this the way they do.

or

b. We'll do the same thing
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:11 PM
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5. Doesn't pass the smell test
How many investigations are begun 7-8 years after the fact?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:12 PM
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6. That was from 2001.
The evidence of criminal wrongdoing was insufficient.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:03 PM
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16. So now we're supposed to treat people guilty of things there was not even
evidence to charge them with?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:21 PM
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8. But that investigation ended, with no grounds to indict.
Remember?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:54 PM
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14. Insufficient evidence to proceed with prosecution.
The circumstances speak for themselves.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:02 PM
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15. If there's no prosecution how can I hold Bill Clinton guilty?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:36 PM
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19. Common sense. n/t
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:46 PM
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20. And here I thought Presumption of Innocence was a standard to uphold.
Thanks.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:47 PM
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21. Bill isn't behind bars.
Neither is Hillary.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:48 PM
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22. And neither are they charged with any crime. If we're to just make up guilt
based on what would be convenient to a campaign, no candidate is not guilty.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:30 PM
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23. So, Bush is guilty of no crimes? n/t
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:35 PM
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24. There hasn't been an investigation of Bush, has there?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:24 PM
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11. 1,400 to 12 over Lazio, huh?
What was up with those 12 people?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:54 PM
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13. Protest vote against corruption? n/t
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:33 PM
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12. Surely this doesn't mean Senator Obama has anything against
Hasidic Jews?

Just saying that this is getting very ugly and anything is possible...
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movoter Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:30 PM
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17. OH NO!
So the Clintons are involved with the Crazy HY gang? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWmnVbfH4II Please tell me it's not true :)
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