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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:17 PM
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Obama's statement about Repubs the only ones with ideas was arrogant and insulting
and shows that he does not get it.

Ok, this will be the first time I criticize another candidate. I have tried to only be positive here and support my choice, but I am sick and tired of Obama's crap


He insults people like Kuchinich, Dean, Feingold (who for whatever reason seems to like Obama- whatever), Gore, Clinton (both of them), Boxer, etc.

I mean seriously - does he honestly think no dems had "ideas" for the past 12 years?

Is he so ignorant as to believe that with the corporations hold on the media and on our government that any dems could put any of their ideas to work?



Sorry- I had to get this off my chest.

He used to be my second choice.

Not any more...
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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1. When did he say that? Please provide exact quote and link.
What I saw, he referred to them as "the party of ideas" which has a SPECIFIC meaning and was a phrase commonly used not so long ago. It does not mean that "republicans are the only ones with ideas" as you apparently interpret it.

There is another problem with your interpretation. Individuals like Feingold, Kucinich, and Dean may have great ideas, but when the Democratic Party machine squashes those ideas, then the Democratic Party can hardly call itself the "party of ideas", now, can it?

Maybe the reason Feingold and Kucinich have sort of quasi-supported Obama rather than getting miffed about this, is that Obama presents the possibility that their great ideas will be listened to for a change. So that maybe the Dem Party really can be the "party of ideas."
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:26 PM
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2. I'm afraid ambiguity does not work in Barak's favor. We're all taking
away what we heard and that's what a politician should deliver ... this line was a mistake in the primary. We all would have understood in the general.

I just think he's inexperienced. HRC learned lessons the hard way - I can respect that. She invested in her family and now they're out there for her. Contrast that to Michelle Obama's catty remark about handling her own house.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:27 PM
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3. BaraCk n/t.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:16 PM
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No offense intended n/t
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:31 PM
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5. here
Obama: “The Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years.”

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/clinton_radio_ad_attacks_obama.html

While he didn't say they were good ideas, he still dismissed any democrat out there fighting for us. I'm sorry, that is arrogant and ignorant.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:03 PM
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11. And they were
Why is it so hard to accept that? :shrug:
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:07 PM
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13. But his implication that Democrats has no ideas is ridiculous
and that is exactly what he was implying. I'm sorry but I can't let it stand. It was a stupid statement and is not endearing him to those in the Democratic party who might be undecided.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:08 PM
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14. Please tell me what ideas they had, that they were successful in getting through during that time.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:31 PM
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4. Oh for pity's sake. Try reading Dionne's piece this morning and educate
yourself. Read what kos said. It's standard political CW that the repukes were the "party of ideas" for a decade and a half or so. They were lousy ideas but they were ideas, and they came as the dem party was particularly without them. The pukes were pushing shit like welfare reform, school vouchers and social security privatization. And Obama wasn't saying the last 12 years, he was referencing that period of time.

Pat Leahy doesn't feel insulted. He's backing Obama, and he is without doubt one of the most progressive dems in the Congress. In fact, he and Feingold are rated as the two most progessive dems in the Senate.

Stuff and nonsense, and woefully ignorant at that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:14 PM
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15. Arrogant as ever Cali. It was the Democratic Party that used to be
referred to as the "Party of Ideas" but Obama probably didn't realize that, new as he seems to be to everything. And it is odd how he seems to always be excused for his faux paus using that argument. What did he just fall of a turnip truck or something? AND"woefully ignorant" is an exceptionally insufferable response to a poster you disagree with. But then you are always so superior , aren't you? Perhaps this is why some posters view your candidate as "arrogant".In any event, it adds to the picture.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:33 PM
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6. Since he said nothing of the sort, your tailfeather torque is due to your own imagination.
But have fun.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:42 PM
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7. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
:hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:44 PM
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8. I wish I understood what he was trying to say...
the media propelled the wrongwing's ideas... it's not that the Dem party had no ideas, it's that our ideas (like single-payer, which he's familiar with and supports) were ignored.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:58 PM
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9. I think he's trying to run to the GE, and I think he bit off more than he can chew here.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:59 PM
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10. Obama was right about Reagan's
impact. He did lead a successful coalition that has held strong to their "ideas" for almost 30 years - appallingly horrible ideas though they may be. And many of these ideas are still being rubber stamp implemented today - excusing White House and telecom criminality anyone?

Clinton had absolutely zero impact on reversing the trajectory Reagan set in motion - zero. It is pissing him off that people are realizing that and that Obama actually said it, but it's true.

Reagan set about to deregulate everything here and around the world, laying an underpinning to a massive, long sustained boom for the world's already filthy rich uber capitalists, as they raped resources and labor everywhere. Clinton didn't even try to redirect that movement. And it goes on and on and on...

What was he doing while all this was going on - advocating for "school uniforms" and "more cops in the streets." Did he even try to lock up the Social Security surpluses that were being built up during his last term? Nope. BushCo came in and within three months they were all gone - vanished into the coffers of the well off.

The guy is a joke. A cruel joke.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:05 PM
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12. Barack is trying to hard to reach across the aisle to the Republicans.
Yes, he's somewhat vague when he speaks, which may be intentional. It's hard to be held accountable when no one can tell exactly what you meant.

I fear that by trying to appeal to the Independents and Republicans, Barack is going to alienate some Democrats who know that the GOP is responsible for most, if not all, of the bad legislation during the period of time he used.

And yes, by default, it would be a legitimate assumption that he also means the Democrats have contributed nothing worthy during that same period of time, which I find a bit insulting to the Democratic Party.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:16 PM
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16. You are acting like a tool.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:18 PM
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17. I did not like the statement.
I do think that he was noting that our party has not been able to propagate it's ideas effectively. Still it was a stupid statement and hurts our party and our goals.

PS Hi Beaverhausen, Alison asked if I had seen you post lately (We all met at a Downtown L.A. protest march a couple of years ago).
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:36 PM
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18. I saw Obama's strategy when
he discussed Reagan's ideas. He let the Reaganites read it as positive....and then in the SC Debate, he turned around and said, "I didn't say they were good ideas." What crap.

I do not trust the man...because he pulls crap like that all the time....those 'present' votes are the same thing.

And where the hell is his mother??? Would someone answer me that? I don't believe she is dead...at least I haven't seen that in his bios.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:50 AM
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20. Here is the orginal interview
About 20 minutes into the interview you can hear exactly what obama said to the Reno Gazette Jounal, it was definately positive for the republicans and dissed the Carter administration. Whether he meant to say the last 10 or 15 years, which means Bush or he meant to say 20 to 25 years ago and meant Reagan ( which I believe he actually meant, since that is who he was discussing) his vision of them was definately positive.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026


Since I believe he was discussing Reagan and for those of you who maybe were not around during those days, here is an article about Reagan and his policies.

President Ronald Reagan was given the honor of The Greatest American Ever as the result of a poll conducted in cooperation with a Discovery Channel presentation that narrowed down the candidates for that particular honor. According to many of those who defend this choice, Reagan deserves this honor in part because he brought back a sense of respect to Americans following the Vietnam War, Watergate and the Iran hostage crisis. According to Reagan's own campaign slogan for the 1984 election, thanks to the previous four years of his Presidency, it was morning again in American.

Maybe someone just misspelled "mourning." The budget deficit explosion that occurred during the 1980s were a direct result of President Reagan's tax cuts, and the resulting lack of available funds that could have been earmarked toward social programs contributed to the continuing deconstruction of American social programs. Reagan's assault on these programs took as its starting point the conservative ideological foundation that if people rely upon government welfare strategies to provide them with such things as food, housing and help taking care of their children it will serve as a disincentive for them to work; therefore the less the government helps the poor, ultimately the more they will help themselves and the better off they will be.

President Reagan was a firm believer in this methodology and almost from the moment he took his oath of office set to work dismantling government entitlement programs. The first major step toward rolling back opportunities for those not lucky enough to be born into wealth took place when he signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA). OBRA served to cut federal funding programs for the poor as well as inducements for states to provide funding. Unfortunately, cutting funding for programs was not enough to revolutionize the welfare programs in the way that conservative ideologues desired. In order to completely undermine the progressive system of entitlements to the poor, the Reagan administration began to use tax reform as a method of undercutting welfare.



http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/19457/ronald_reagan_budget_cuts_deficit_spending.html



Here is another article:

<snip>

True to his word, Reagan cut funding from many social welfare programs including food stamp programs, and various programs to assist for struggling mothers and children. During Reagan's first few years in office, the government cut welfare program spending by over $20 billion a year. He also succeeded in slashing taxes to a point where the government was barely collecting any income revenue. Americans loved the tax cuts, but it was not necessarily good for them. Without tax revenues, the government was unable to pay for the services it provided. Worse, even though Reagan dramatically reduced tax rates, he actually dramatically increased total government spending, particularly in the areas of defense, and ironically, social welfare programs. Although Congress cut billions of dollars a year from the social welfare agenda, the rate of spending was still increasing. The American President Biography series noted that social welfare spending increased between 1980 and 1988 from $313 billion a year to $533 billion a year.
Because government revenue (taxes) did not equal government spending, the government was forced to borrow money each year. The national debt skyrocketed to unprecedented levels, almost $1 trillion. As a result, people in all sectors lost their jobs and inflation soared. The economic hardships of the time became evident in the stock market crash of 1987, one of the worst stock market crashes since the crash of 1929. Many historians and economists blame Reagan's 'voodoo economic' policies and extreme deficit spending for the crash and economic hardships, although that conclusion is debatable.


http://www.sparknotes.com/biography/reagan/section8.rhtml




He was not about the people, he was about the corporations. He did change the trajectory of the United States. For the better? :puke:



P.S. 14 minutes into interview, Obama discusses healthcare, he has yet to clarify what meant by, "we will have to make difficult choices in terms of end of life care" 5 days 4 phone calls, 7 emails.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:05 PM
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21. Thx for the links and quotes....
I'm just sick that he is winning S.C....do you think that Repugnants voted for him...just like Kos was telling Dems in Michigan to vote for Romney (who won)????

Obama is such a repug-lite! I don't trust him. And I fear we'll have another Repugnant in office that is further to the right than Obama.

Alas, I'm sick tonight....think I will watch Figure Skating and enjoy Art on the Ice.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:08 PM
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19. Nobama for me either.
Leaning Hillary, but that's iffy too.

Sigh, I'll probably tow the party line come November, only because I don't want to get thrown off DU :evilgrin:

Kucinich and Feingold have already peed down Edwards back, but "not yet endorsing" another?

What's with the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party? Afraid the "gig will be up" if Edwards wins the White House? Will all the "lefty blogs" become less interesting if they don't have anybody to attack? Lose ad revenue?

I do like Hillary and Obama, but they are politicks, as usual, boring and uninspiring. At least JE dropped out of the Senate in 2004, a good move to pursue his Progressive Agenda without having his hands tied with a red state constituency.

JE should have been on top of the 2004 ticket, we would be discussing his re-election right now :D

More inspiration here, from 2001:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html
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