Can anybody tell me why I SHOULD vote for Hillary, not why I SHOULDN'T vote for someone else?

[whatchamacallit]

I'm starting to wonder if the reason the campaign resembles Wrestle-Mania is because she really doesn't have that much to offer on the face of it. Ignoring for a moment the desire to finally have a female president, how would you sell her to people who don't get it?

[xultar]

1. Obama and Hillary vote 90% of the time with the party and 94% with each other.

Essentially @ this point it is likability that is the deciding factor.

Don't give me the war shit. Obama would have either voted for it, been absent, or voted present. I know he says what he would have done but I don't believe any politician..regardless of likability, race, or gender.

[whatchamacallit]

6. Those stats are interesting...

It would seem the candidates are essentially what people project on to them.

[xultar]

26. WTF did you get that. I didn't make it up.The link is posted in a reply to another poster.

[whatchamacallit]

31. I'm confused, I'm saying I believe their records are probably that close

and that means the only difference between them is stuff people project.

[xultar]

35. Ahhh I'm sorry. I mis read your post. I aologise!!! Please accept my apology.

[whatchamacallit]

38. Of course. Aint no thing : )

[Occam Bandage]

7. How might a United States Senator "vote present?" And where did you get those numbers?

I have Clinton 97.1, Obama 96.4.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/party-voters/

[xultar]

25. I got them from factcheck.og. Whom I know peoople love when it is on their side and hate

when it is on their opponents.
Peas in a Pod
January 24, 2008
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/peas_in_a_pod.html
Dueling radio ads from Clinton and Obama falsely paint the other as a secret Republican.
Summary
A radio ad sponsored by Hillary Clinton reprises her misleading claim that Barack Obama likes Republican ideas. Obama has responded with an ad that makes a half-true accusation that Clinton "championed" NAFTA. We find that both claims are misleading and that the candidates are, in fact, making mountains of molehills.

Specifically, we found that:

* Clinton's ad falsely implies that Obama supported "special tax breaks for Wall Street" and running up the deficit, and that he opposed minimum wage increases while refusing to deal with the housing crisis. In fact, Obama voted to increase the minimum wage and actually supported some cost-cutting measures that Clinton opposed.

* Obama’s claim that Clinton flip-flopped on NAFTA is half-true. She did change her position, but she did so long before she began running for president.

* In fact, the two candidates vote with Democrats more than 90 percent of the time and voted with each other 94 percent of the time. Interest groups give them nearly identical ratings for being liberal.

Note: This is a summary only. The full article with analysis, images and citations may be viewed on our Web site:

[Occam Bandage]

27. Key words are "more than." Like I said,

Clinton does 97.1% and Obama does 96.4%. 29/30 good votes is far better than 9/10 good votes.

[xultar]

36. I got ya. Kewl.

[mzmolly]

15. An EXCELLENT point Xultar!

:yourock:

[rinsd]

2. Hillary stood up for ground zero workers against Bush.

That is my personal reason for fighting for her.

[Fresh_Start]

3. I've been wondering if all the he said/she said

and your past/your past and your friends/your friends and your vote/your vote is due to the fact that there is so little difference in their policies that they don't have policy differences to discriminate between them

I realize that I'm not answering your question, but absent substantial policies differences don't the why/why not questions become rooted in bickering?

[Coexist]

4. that would be such a great question for someone from the (R) camp, who was too lazy to do research

to come to a forum with heated debates going back and forth to ask.

Not that I am saying you are, but I have been reading all the dirt DUers are digging up on our own, and thinking, "My gosh, the Republicans don't need Rove, they just need to copy and paste right from HERE!"

[whatchamacallit]

8. I admit it, I'm lazy. Now help me out here and give the reason for your support. n/t

[Coexist]

11. I'm not much of a Hillary supporter. I would love a female president

but I just don't "feel" her, I guess.

I don't think she could beat McCain. Not at all. That makes me nervous.

[whatchamacallit]

28. I'm with you 100%. It's insanely overdue, but I'm not feeling her either n/t

[Stephanie]

5. because she DESERVES it because she's WORKED so hard to get it

Because it's all about HILLARY, silly, so get out of her way.

[whatchamacallit]

9. heh ;-)

[Alexander]

10. No. No one can.

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Because....

she is a Clinton. :eyes:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. Clinton NEUTRALIZES pukes on national security and DESTROYS them on economy/domestic issues.

That's why she will win.

[hiaasenrocks]

16. LOL

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. wow nice rebuttal

[hiaasenrocks]

Huh? I wasn't trying to rebut your post.

I thought you were being sarcastic, with putting those selected words in ALL CAPS to really drive home the point despite the fact that they are subjective an unprovable talking points from the campaign of The Clintons.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. oh sorry

[hiaasenrocks]

33. Apology accepted.

[whatchamacallit]

19. Ok cool, that's how she's positioned herself in terms of campaign strategy, but

looking beyond November, what makes you feel she'll make the best president?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

21. Because I've already seen a successful Clinton presidency. They are the most capable

of cleaning up economic disasters left by Republicans and they were able to manage world affairs to the benefit of national security and the economy.

Not perfect but proven on THE most important areas that will need aggressive attention on day one.

Also think they are at their core DYED IN THE WOOL LIBERALS who will advance their "liberal agenda" as far as they possibly can within whatever political reality they are dealing with.

[whatchamacallit]

39. Ok, thanks n/t

[Occam Bandage]

29. Just like Kerry did.

[Armstead]

34. How?

[hiaasenrocks]

14. She's a woman, so if you don't vote for her you are sexist! Also...

she has 35 years of being married to Bill experience!

[mtnsnake]

17. Why bother wasting time telling someone who's not going to vote for her anyway.

If you were sincere, you'd mention how 99% of the Hillary threads are telling you NOT to support her, yet you're making like it's the other way around. Gimme a break.

[whatchamacallit]

23. That's right I'm no Hillary fan, but maybe if we saw more of what you see

we would be less conflicted about voting for her in the general election. I just wanna understand why she floats your boat.

[mondo joe]

20. I don't like to use the board to tell others what they should do, or to try to

change others' minds.

Since you asked, I guess I would simply say:

1. HRC and Obama are not substantially different on concrete issues or voting record. (By concrete issues I mean real measurable things rather than abstracts like "hope" or "change" or "pride".)

2. There is a substantial difference between ANY of our candidates and ANY of the GOP candidates in what you can expect in appointments to the courts and a host of agencies.

Edit to add: 3. Electability - team Clinton is the only one to have successfully beat the GOP to take the White House in over 2 decades - they know how to compete to win.

[enid602]

22. why indeed

Hillary is direct, tireless, sometimes abrasive, uncompromising and often shrill. She'll need all those qualities and more to get us out of the hole in which we find ourselves. She was warned that she'd have to play by the rules after the 'vast right wing conspiracy' comment, and now we accuse her of selling out. She fights like a rabid dog, and we accuse her of being polarizing. In contrast, her husband was politic, kind and likable. But that was over 6 TRILLION DOLLARS ago. We need a fighter now.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Not a bad rationale, thanks n/t

[Dante_]

24. Hillary Clinton is a proven leader with the courage and balls to fight for what is right.

and the GOP had it's chance. and the rest of the Dem candidates are great.. Hillary-lite is better than no Hillary at all.

[Dante_]

30. it's all her fault? it takes two to wrestle