Howard Dean should politely tell Hillary that she's out of line

[cali]

and he should stand firm. Florida agreed to the schedule and signed onto it, as did Michigan. They both decided to make a play for early primary status and stab the party in the back. In Florida the dems went along with the repukes. In Michigan they instigated the mess.

Dean's a pretty stubborn guy. He's aware of how the Clintons have tried to undermine him and the 50-state strategy. And he knows he's out the minute Hill's in. She doesn't like the grassroots and she'll immediately reverse the DNC course, putting it back to a top down big money back room status.

Dean has nothing to lose by standing up to the Clintons as they try and bully him and the rest of the DNC.

I hope he does it.

[Coexist]

1. your first paragraph says it all.

Don't know enough about the insids stuff in #2, but I really hope he stands his ground.

Rules are rules. Even for politicians.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Hil knows voters don't care about party machinery they just want to vote.

[cali]

4. Howard doesn't like this kind of political shenanigan

and he won't be feeling kindly about Hilly at this moment.

[1corona4u]

9. Right, so why is Obama advertising in Florida? Isn't that breaking the rules too?

[cali]

14. He got permission to run a national cable ad

that's been posted over and over.

[1corona4u]

19. Yes, and why only him?

Seems a bit discriminatory if you ask me...

[robbedvoter]

36. because he was so "hurt" lately....

:nopity:

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. I have only seen it claimed that one State Chair out of the 4 involved signed off

I sincerely am asking anyone to inform me otherwise.

[Dante_]

12. I remember differently from his campaign

[cali]

15. Really? What do you remember differently?

And as Howard was my guv for 11 years, I can tell you that his stubborness was legend.

[Dante_]

16. Shenanigans. Howard was not above political shenanigans

[cali]

21. smear artist, eh?

post links and evidence if you're going to make charges like that. And reputable ones. You're just using vague ugly language. And that's what smearers do.

[robbedvoter]

28. Maybe he should have solved this administratively, not depriving voters of their right

Kinda belies the very name of the party.

[Occam Bandage]

6. Democrats don't appreciate misleading bullshit.

[Dante_]

18. misleading bs is good if it helps us win

[Occam Bandage]

23. Ironic, given your sig quote.

[Occam Bandage]

3. Absolutely agreed. Democrats believe the rules apply to everyone--even Democratic politicians.

[robbedvoter]

37. But are party rules more important than the right to vote (the Constitution - remember "it"?

[Occam Bandage]

38. Federal judge ruled this has nothing to do with the Constitution.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

[ellisonz]

5. Just say no.

[LSparkle]

7. He certainly should -- like you say, he has nothing to lose

It'll be a total tragedy if he's out because she's the nominee. He's done more for the party with his 50-state strategy -- which SUCCEEDED in helping us take back Congress in '06 -- than the Clintonistas have done since 2000. That's part of why I'm supporting Edwards and Obama -- because I think Dean has the right idea about building the party and the Clintons only want to take it back to DLC Rethug-lite, big money money money money. I'd hate to see the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" lose the ground we've finally been able to win back thanks to Dr. Dean.

[sunonmars]

30. Hilarious you quote the 50 state strategy

and yet they are pissing off 2 huge states voters. Now there's a cluster fuck, if i heard and one of those states is the one that cost us the last 2 elections.

Theres a fuck up in there somewhere and Dean's stubborness might cost us the next election if he doesnt sort out the Florida mess now.

[Occam Bandage]

39. Letting FL/MI go ahead would have been flipping off the other 48.

[sunonmars]

41. actually probaly flicking off just the 2 whingehorses Iowa and NH.

[Occam Bandage]

43. No, the entire rest of the nation. Every other state's dels voted to strip Florida.

[ozone_man]

8. Dean won't go along with that.

The rules have already been established. Florida and Michigan get no delegates.

Also, I think the approximately 370 delegates, (including super delegates) that MI and FL would have had, have already been reallocated to the other states.

I don't think there is much love between Dean and the Clintons. They do not represent the Democratic wing of the party.

[William769]

10. And ultimately he will NOT have the final say on if the delegates are seated or NOT!

I hope he does too, put the last nail in his coffin.

[Dante_]

11. Noooooooooo, not a Dean Scream? aaeeyyyaaiii!

Who cares what the Doktor says?

[cali]

17. could you use a more right wing MSM bullshit

line? The answer is no. And by the way, the vast majority of dems care what Howard says.

[Occam Bandage]

24. It's rather obvious by your transcription that you haven't actually heard it.

It was clearly a 'byah!'

[BenDavid]

13. so hrc is out of line and obama gets a pass. Just like a great

article I read about obama that stated: First, the national media failed to evaluate Obama's phony track record in Illinois politics. Apart from his first campaign for the state senate, when he used truly nasty tactics, Obama had never been one to fight for victory. He was always the candidate offering himself for coronation.

Maybe this is why obama is so pissed these days. After iowa he thought the nomination would be handed to him as he would go from candidate to the coronation.

[LittleClarkie]

20. But there are Florida votes on the line

and this move by her is bound to be popular with them. Hence, I'm sure she doesn't care what Dean does. This is about the general election to her, not the primaries, I reckon.

[suston96]

22. Bullcrap! Dean and the Democratic Party are a disgrace and should all be fired immediately .....

...for trashing the voting rights of Democrats in two very large states.

Oh, and spare me the crap that this is a primary and voters in a primary have no rights.

[cali]

31. Fuck that lying line of shit, pumpkin.

Florida and Michigan signed on years ago, sweetiepie. And they're the ones that broke their word. Fuck them. They fucked themselves and the dem voters in the state. Now they deserve NOTHING. Fuck the state parties to hell.

[sunonmars]

35. So if we lose the next election and its proved its because we pissed of

the Dems in Florida, will you be happy?

[cali]

44. that's just ridiculous.

It's patently absurd to say that dems in FL are going to vote repuke or sit it out because of this. It insults them to suggest they're that stupid. If we lose the next election it will be the fault of the nominee- whoever it is.

[robbedvoter]

25. RIGHT TO VOTE vs party squabbles - glad your priorities are always right

Dean should solve party insubordination by administrative means, not messing with voters' rights. He messed up. RNC did better by their members . It's embarrassing.

[Coexist]

27. Who can't vote? I sure did. Mailed it in last week.

[robbedvoter]

33. I am sure you voted in 2000 too. Was it counted? Meaningful vote, remember that?

I wouldn't blame you if you forgot - but now it's your own party screwing you

[cali]

45. Dean was exactly right.

Florida and Michigan had every opportunity NOT to sign on to the DNC primary plan. They deserve the blame- not Dean, and not the DNC.

[AtomicKitten]

26. Apparently the Clintons feel they are exempt from the rules set by the DNC.

[David Zephyr]

29. The Clintons and Carville and gang all despise Howard Dean.

Howard will not let the Clintons dirty up the rules.

[robbedvoter]

32. Maybe we should be the Dean Party - cus sure as hell we are not DEMOCRATIC in this primary

"remember folks, popular vote is meaningless, it's the delegates that count" some of you proudly posted.
This voter says

[book_worm]

40. I agree, if Hillary was going to contest this she should have done so long ago

not just 4 days before the primary.

[loveangelc]

42. Howard Dean will not like this...

:D

[southern_dem]

46. the rules are the rules

The Clinton campaign sounds desperate...