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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:40 PM
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Why did the NY Times endorse Clinton?
They never liked the Clintons. Why did they endorse Hillary Clinton?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5htfdh3eJJWU0_GrlMpnTTSWpBMugD8UCMN300
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:41 PM
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1. Why did they hire William Kristol, the founder of PNAC?
Therein lies your answer.


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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:42 PM
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2. So they are trying to suck up to the right? Why did they endorse McCain then?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:57 PM
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13. PNAC, AIPAC and the DLC share similar views on the MIddle East
McCain shares those similar views as does Clinton.
to endorse both Clinton and McCain is not inconsistent.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:01 PM
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18. Exactly, it's like pretending there's a difference between McCain and Lieberman.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:32 PM
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25. Yeah, that makes sense.... Thanks, I had no idea that Dan Quayle had a brain.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:56 PM
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27. does your post come with a decoder ring?
I have an idea what you mean, but you're posting in shorthand, so maybe you could explain your point?
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:59 PM
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28. No clear exit strategy from Iraq, so it's a New York Zionist thing?
Yeah, that follows. It's consistent with their centrist position on the Democratic Party, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri1.html?ref=opinion

This is my favorite and most telling quote from the article.

"She (Hillary Clinton) has learned that powerful interests cannot simply be left out of the meetings."
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:25 PM
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29. not necessarily, I think its an intersection of interests
I think all the groups are using each other to achieve a similar goal. That does not mean I think one group controls all the others, just that they recognize the other groups are pointed in the same direction, namely reshaping the middle east to exclude power for certain groups and possess and control their oil.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:05 PM
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20. Pretty much, yeah. But why McCain?
Well, he's also a neoconservative. Looks like the NYT is going all PNAC this time around.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:10 PM
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23. I think they hired Kristol to allow them to claim they are balanced as
the New York Times heads into the General Election and will come out for the Democrats in Editorial after Editorial. That is what I believe.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:43 PM
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3. The NYT has been sucking up to corporate power since Iraq
Did you expect them not to support the biggest corporate financed candidate, especially when she's their Senator?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:44 PM
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4. probably because they prefer a workhorse to a showhorse.
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Clintonite Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:49 PM
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5. I guess its a conspiracy since they did not endorse Obama.
I think they are bieng realistic and understand that she has a much better grasp and toughness to lead our nation through difficult times.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:50 PM
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6. Actually it turned people on their heads


The pundits all went WTF, they all thought Obama had it in the bag, lol, that was fun to watch.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:55 PM
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11. can you elaborate?
what difficult times and what toughness are you referring to?
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:57 PM
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14. har
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:55 PM
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26. I guess you can't elaborate. oh well.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:52 PM
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7. She represents New York.
Papers (usually) endorse the local candidate. :shrug:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:54 PM
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10. Giuliani is also from New York
Didn't help him much.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:15 PM
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21. Sorry, I should have said "credible candidate".
;)
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:52 PM
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30. When running for mayor
the times did endorse him. So it wasn't unprecendented for them to do so. But I definitely see your larger point.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:53 PM
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8. Because she's a NY senator. NT
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:53 PM
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9. Endorsement = Prediction
The NYT wants credit for picking the winners. Lame.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:55 PM
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12. duh. because she's the senator from NY- and if they don't like
her how come they've endorsed her twice and endorsed Bill? Riddle me that, genius.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:02 PM
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19. why didn't they endorse Giuliani
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:42 PM
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22. why don't you answer my question. You don't ever have the decency
to answer a straight forward question. Try it. How come they endorsed Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton repeatedly?
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:57 PM
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15. Like every other print media they probably won't be around in 2012 so they went for the winner n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:58 PM
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16. They explained their reasons pretty nicely in the endorsement.
Although they were a little too dismissive of Edwards IMO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri1.html?_r=1&_r1&oref=slogin
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:00 PM
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17. They were cheerleaders for Iraq and hired Bill Kristol.
Why wouldn't they endorse Clinton?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:11 PM
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24. $$$$$$$$$$
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