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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:13 PM
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ROMNEY WHISPER: MSNBC Claims It Was the Audience, I'm Not Kidding
This is a tale of our upside-down election world. Please read it from the bottom up.

UPDATE #3: Having ruled out the possibility that one of the other candidates was whispering to himself, MSNBC has added an update to its blog post concluding that someone in the audience must have been whispering near an "open mic." This is apparently based on nothing other than MSNBC's inability to come up with any other explanation, other than the obvious one. This now reads like a report on an election result that varies wildly from the exit polls. Such a result (if in the United States, abroad the opposite would be true) clearly proves that the exit polls must have been wrong! How do you know? Why, by ruling out the possibility that it was caused by Huckabee whispering to himself. In case shame takes over and the latest MSNBC conclusion gets purged, here it is:

"After reviewing the tapes, NBC determined that an open mic picked up a whisper from the audience. It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates, was not heard in the hall and, more importantly, not heard by the candidates."

How do we know it was not heard by the candidates (not even the one who appears to hear it and repeat it)? Why, because MCNBC tells us so.

Seriously, I can't prove Romney was prompted, but that's the far more likely conclusion than MCNBC's. Maybe if they hired OJ to find the real whisperer I'd take them seriously. If the next debate has strip searches and cavity searches prior to the opening bell, I'll consider even watching it.

UPDATE #2: MSNBC has posted a new blog post acknowledging that people want to know what happened but not offering any explanation. The post claims that MSNBC does not know whose voice is heard whispering, and that MSNBC is reviewing tapes of each of the candidates in order to determine whether it was one of them. This would tend to suggest that MSNBC does not think it was one of their staffers in a control room, and does not think it was one of their staffers feeding ideas to Russert. (I'm still unable to find the readers' comments on this on the MSNBC blog, and if they were deleted the new post says nothing about restoring them.)

UPDATE #1: MSNBC has given Raw Story an explanation that explains nothing, saying Romney's microphone was not working. That's funny: during the whisper, Romney's lips aren't moving. What difference would it have made in any way for his microphone to have been working or not working?

ORIGINAL POST: Romney's (or is it Russert's? or one of the other candidates'?) debate cheating may finally force this collection of evidence of Bush's cheating into the news. Why did MNBC delete its blog post about it (and the reader comments that preceded and were referred to in the blog post)? Please CONTACT THE MEDIA.

We know Bush cheated.
We know almost certainly that somebody just cheated in this latest debate.
We can be pretty sure the media questioners cheat, which - among other reasons - makes them reluctant to report on candidate cheating.
We can suspect that the person who cheated in the latest debate was Romney, but it could have been Russert or one of the other candidates. This blog points out that the whisper begins mighty soon to be a prompt for Russert.
If there's an innocent explanation, such as a random person near an open mic, why the coverup on the blog and the nonsense explanation?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:18 PM
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1. So what was whispered? I've not heard anything about this.
And this am clueless.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:21 PM
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5. Someone whispered the phrase "raise taxes"
After a question asking if Romney would do what Reagan had done regarding social security.

Right after that, Romney says "I would not raise taxes"
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:34 PM
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12. Here's the clip
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:18 PM
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2. I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I missed the repub debate. What happened?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:20 PM
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3. who cares
people get worked up every time something like this happens. if a news organization found out a candidate was secretly getting help they would report is as a story. and so what if they did get some help? not everything is a big sinister plot.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:45 PM
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9. like they did with bush eh?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:25 PM
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11. That one was SO obvious
and so was the media's silence.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:51 PM
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16. The corporate media didn't pursue the big box on Bush's back as
they should have.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:16 PM
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18. That's because everyone who kept going on about it
ended up looking like Dale Gribble and distracting from the real issues in the campaign. It was a waste of time.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:20 PM
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4. Hey, this morning it was a prompt to Russert for his next (?) question.
Oh, and here on the internets, I saw it was another candidate prompting, but why would that be? :shrug: MKJ
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:21 PM
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6. in the not too distant future... next sunday AD...
love the tom servo avatar!!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:22 PM
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10. LOL, thanks.
Tom Servo and McCain. A heavy burden, yet not so much. :-) MKJ
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:43 PM
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13. i was acually watching MST when i saw that!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:45 PM
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14. The cosmic circle.
:toast: MKJ
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:53 PM
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17. it's sad that i need to take DU breaks *while* watching MST
:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:43 PM
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7. Where's Ron Paul . .. ? Wouldn't he want a bite of this --- ??? Or is loyalty all?
No one the Repugs will ask about this? Amazing!!

From what we've seen of the real Bush, he can't speak for 5 mins without sounding like a total idiot . . . and obviously, just a prompt wouldn't have been enough for him.
There must have been very detailed info given to Bush --- like . .. "repeat after me!"

We do need some system in future for a check to make sure no one is wearing a wire.
Wouldn't this show up with simply a bug test?

Anyone know?

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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:43 PM
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8. Romney seemed to place a lot of faith in the source.
I figured it was God that whispered in his ear and he still couldn't answer the question.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:19 PM
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19. god! oh god! it was god!
(cough)
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:46 PM
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15. The media cover Romney's ass on something like this, but perpetuate swift boat ads
on Kerry during the 2004 elections.
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