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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:01 PM
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FINAL ARG SOUTH CAROLINA POLL: HILLARY CLOSES OBAMA LEAD TO 3 POINTS
Obama 39% Hillary 36% Edwards 22%

http://americanresearchgroup.com /

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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:01 PM
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1. It will be a truly intersting vote
I'm hoping Hillary pulls out all the stops tomorrow and brings home a win. If not, it's on to super Tuesday.

Go, Hillary, go!!

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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:02 PM
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2. Obama should just pack up and quit if he loses tommorow
He should be embarrassed if he loses tommorow.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:04 PM
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8. He won't do that. No way no how.
He's in until Super Tuesday at the bare minimum. Lots of Southern states he expects to get.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:10 PM
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27. Sure, he'll stay until Super Tuesday
But it will be a slaughter if he loses South Carolina. He would save time and money by just packing his bags. He has no chance of getting the nomination if he loses South Carolina.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:12 PM
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35. If he loses he is done, that's for sure.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:07 PM
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16. No he shouldn't
This campaign is very close. Super Tuesday will be interesting and all three should stay in until at least then.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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51. Are you serious?
The campaign will not be very close if Obama loses South Carolina. He is already trailing Hillary in virtually every state other than Illinois, he needs the momentum from South Carolina to have a fighting chance at staying past Super Tuesday and winning the nomination.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:25 PM
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58. I really havn't been paying attention to polls
I got so turned off them after NH. Between the rolling 3-day polls and not polling within 36 hours of the race- they really are worthless considering the amount of undecideds. I think there is a lot of support for Obama out there and frankly, all three should stay in until at least Super Tuesday. Let's see what the people have to say.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:10 PM
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25. Then don't assume he'll lose.
There's no reason to.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:33 PM
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62. Why should he be embarrassed? It is the Clinton's who have behaved shamefully.
They do not deserve to win anything.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:02 PM
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3. Paging the ghosts of Mayor Bradley? Mayor Bradley?
Who knows.

ARG has done some real garbage polls this year and in past years.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:05 PM
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12. I've never heard of them, actually. Or if I've seen them, I haven't focused on them.
Do their assertions have any resemblance to reality (off by a reliable X percent, or what have you?), or are they totally off in LA LA land?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:10 PM
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26. In Nov. 2000, ARG had an election eve New Hampshire poll with Gore up 10 points
He lost NH by a little less than 1%. I've never trusted them since.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:12 PM
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34. Can't say as I blame ya...! That's "off!" nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:03 PM
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4. I kinda doubt that. I'd be shocked if she came close.
Edwards is surging, too in that report.

If she can keep it within ten points, given all the trash talking that has been going on, that's as good as a win.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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33. Any of the 3 can win!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:38 AM
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81. Yep.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:03 PM
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5. HOLY CRAP THIS IS THE BEST PRIMARY SEASON EVER
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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19. double post
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM by NJSecularist
double post
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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20. I know I'll stock up on popcorn for this one!
:popcorn:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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28. Regular little thrill-seeker, aren't ya?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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32. Yes, secretly I love all the insanity of this forum. :P
I really should get into politics.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:13 PM
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37. I'd say, it's a guilty pleasure for me too...my 2004 experience taught me a few things
I find I can guess events ahead of others and it's fun!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:33 AM
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78. Then you need to get some money on Vegas quick.
And send any unwanted leftover cash to me? :D
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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38. Then perhaps you should change the plant in the corner.
To, say, a daisy?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:15 PM
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44. Hahaha :D
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:03 PM
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6. And Obama is up 20 points in the PPP poll released today
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/national_story.aspx?storyid=...

Obama leads in every single poll in SC and is going to win handily.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:04 PM
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7. Do you remember New Hampshire?
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:04 PM
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10. Obama also lead in every single poll in NH
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Zogby had Hillary within 5 points in the Thursday only sample.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:06 PM
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15. That Poll Is A Bit Of An Outlier..We'll See
Zogby said his Thursday polling was 36% 31% 19%...

Mason Dixon had it 38% 30% 20%...
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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23. With the usual 3-4 point MOE
That could be a very close race. We'll soon see.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:18 PM
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54. I Don't Want To Mislead You
That was only Thursday polling for Zogby; a small slice of the rolling average...

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:26 PM
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59. Thanks for the info
polls have been a joke lately. They MAY show trends, but they are really just a snapshot of the moment.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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24. I think everyone expects Obama to win. If he doesn't blow it out, with all these
"expectations" it will be interesting.

The thing about polls closer to the election is that the "undecided" number drops considerably...
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:20 PM
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56. Actually, Zogby today has the numbers at 38 25 21
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:24 PM
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57. From The Survey
Thursdays polling alone had Obama leading with 36%, but Clinton was just five points back at 31% (a good day for her). Edwards came in with 19% yesterday alone. The one-day sample was not enough to draw sweeping conclusions, but it is an indicator that this race continues to change.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:04 PM
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9. Actually, it is
Edwards who has taken some points from Obama.
Clinton has more or less stayed the same.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:04 PM
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11. Another close one - they always get tight at the last minute
Tomorrow could be closer than expected - I'm going to say Obama 42%, Hillary 36%, Edwards 22%.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:05 PM
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13. No fuckin way
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:05 PM
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14. It should be fun here tomorrow!
:bounce: :P ;) :)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:07 PM
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17. Gloat, gloat - I told you so! My prediction - wide open!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:12 PM
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36. God punishes gloaters.
Now you sit in that corner with your hands folded and be good.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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41. Aw, al wright
:spank:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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52. I love you. =P
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:18 PM by joshcryer
Awesomeness. If you are right then you should get into politics.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:08 PM
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18. I watched Bill Clinton tonight on CSPAN. He
was in SC. He was fantastic, an unbelievable advocate for Hillary. I hope you get to see it.

I suspect he made a large impact today, his words were full of substance and wonderful plans for this country........talk about hope and vision.......this was hope and vision with a plan.......

Even my husband woke-up to listen.......

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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30. Fuckin ' Rude- eee is on now. What an ASS.
He won't give the translator a pause to translate.

The poor guy is struggling....

Clinton did a great job. So did Edwards, earlier.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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50. It made me remember what it was like to have someone
with a brain talking, and not that idiot in the WH who has to read 2 sentences. I'm constantly amazed at Hill and Bill's master of the issues....maybe It's 8 years of having a dummy for a president...... but geez they are both brilliant!Heaven help us all, if the rethugs ever get back in again!!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:42 PM
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63. We have been there and done this already with the Clinton's .
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:43 PM by wisteria
It wasn't all sunshine and roses. The Clinton's haven't changed. They are just betting that everyone will forget all the negatives of having them back in office. And, besides, why would we want to go backwards and re-instill the Clinton's when we need to move forward. George Bush's election was in a way, the second tern the first President Bush didn't get to have. We were lead again by all the old Bush people and look where that has gotten us.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:13 AM
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70. I would love to have 8 more years of Clinton. Just think, no wars,
But anyone that gets in, regardless who, won't be able to fix this mess right away. It's the worst shape I have ever seen and I'm not young. An unending, useless war, people losing their homes, costs a fortune to go to college, everything going up and up and wages have been stagnate for yrs. I could go on but you all know and I'm sure most have been touched in some way by 'W' and his cabinet of misfits.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:40 AM
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86. No WARS???
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Kosovo
Somalia/Ethiopia/Eritrea
Congo
Angola
Rwanda-Burundi

I am sure that there were other, but this is just off the top of my head...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:34 AM
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94. Don't forget Haiti!
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:01 AM
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68. I watched it too. I've always loved listening to him. He can talk
intelligently on any subject. Hillary is good too. They speak of what is wrong, how it can be fixed and not just flowery words.
After 8 yrs of Bush they sound even better.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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21. I wouldn't put that much stock in it.
Obama is likely to win by at least 10-15 points --and I predict Hillary and Edwards duking it out for a close race for second.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:09 PM
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22. Undecided down to 2%.
And black women have left Obama for Clinton!

Holy shit. Wow, that was a hard decision.

Yikes.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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40. I bet more black women leave for Clinton.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:39 AM
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82. They can change their minds again.
I know I'd have a hell of a time with that decision.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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29. LOL. You only post the polls you like.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 PM
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31. I think I'd be actually be happy if she lost it by only 2-3 points! I was worried that
it would be a lot more than that...like it was reported last week. I'd be ecstatic if it turned out to be another NH type upset...but I doubt it.
Then we'd hear about how she stole the election, again.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:15 PM
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45. She may not lose at all...Edwards can get it too
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:48 PM
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64. You certainly are optimistic and that wonderful.
I'll try to be more positive...something I've been working on.

OK, I can admit to making a mistake or changing my mind. I'll really be disappointed if Hillary doesn't win. It's going to be an exciting night.
My computer is acting up and I'll be sooooo frustrated if I can't post or read DU regarding the outcome. Wish me luck!

Heres to all old faithful Clarkies. :beer:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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39. They did very well in IA and NH, as I recall. Didn't they?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:15 PM
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46. They had Hillary winning by ten in IA. Every pollster was off in NH.
I think they nailed NV.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:15 AM
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76. But they sure didn't get the Latino
vote right. Obama was supposed to run away with it. The Culinary Union even endorsed him and he got clobbered. They went to Mrs. C.

It looks to me like the trend is swinging that way in S.C. too.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:16 PM
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47. I thought they had been off in each state
nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:18 PM
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53. Oh, you're right, they haven't gotten one within ten points yet.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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42. Hillary is the front-runner. The ClitnonInc Machine is brutal.
She should win. I just hope Obama keeps it close.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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48. I want Super Tuesday to give us a clear winner.
I don't give a crap who it is (ok maybe a little bit partial to Clinton given the utter garbage I've gotten from Obama supporters here).
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:18 PM
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55. 60% chances SC will decide that before Super Tuesday
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #42
80. "ClitnonInc Machine" I hope that's a typo.
I really do.

Interesting that Hillary is now being condemned for good organizational skills. Because, of course, it's so common and easy to elect a woman to the presidency that little needs to be done or planned.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:14 AM
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84. No typo.
It's not just Hillary. There's a well-oiled, corporate-like, ruthless "Machine" of entrenched interests promoting her candidacy. Kind of like the antithesis of bottom-up *democratic* action. It fits.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 PM
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43. Regardless of who one supports, tomorrow is going to be a very, very ugly day.
I'm not looking forward to it, or the spin that the media will pump us with afterwards will be deafening.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM
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49. I will enjoy this. The primary may get gentler after it.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 PM by robbedvoter
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:29 PM
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60. TO BE HONEST ! ! ! ! !
During this election cycle I have quit following poles. I'm a Clinton supporter but I believe Barrack will take South Carolina. I can't remember but is SC an all or nothing state? I know florida is one of the few states that is. TIA.
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Dumak Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:54 PM
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67. The Democrats haven't had winner-take-all primaries for many years.
The Republicans still use it for many states
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:32 PM
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61. Please, for Hillary's sake, Herman, don't push this poll - it is a total outlier -
according to the RealClearPolitics.com SC poll page, the last ARG poll had Obama over Clinton at only 9% -- while EVERY other poll has her beating her with double digits ever since then -- 13%, 15% even higher. RCP's average of polls has Obama up by 15% right now.

Obama has to win SC by at least 10% -- or it will be an expectations victory for Hillary. If she actually "lost" by only 3% in SC, it would be a total upset -- Comeback Girl territory, in fact.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:48 PM
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65. Well, I hope Obama blows her away. It is what her and her husband deserve. n/t
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:22 AM
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72. No, it's BO that should be blown away. He has been so
nasty and he and his supporters have tried to blame her and Bill. I hope she wins and the media accepts that they can't push Obama down our throats. The people should choose not the media.
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onyxred Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:52 PM
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66. ARG predicted a Hillary win in Iowa, an Obama win in NH
As you can see, ARG is arguably the most unreliable pollster out there.
It differs from all pollsters regarding the SC vote. All polls but this one have Obama winning by a margin approximately 13-20%.

Obama will win SC tomorrow and it will not even be close.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:04 AM
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69. Once again, the polls are all over the place.
The SC voters could prove all the pollsters wrong.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:18 AM
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71. Thanks for posting. I'm not fond of roller coasters as a rule
But this IS kinda fun. :)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:51 AM
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73. Wow, Herman, if Hillary loses by by more than five it's a total defeat for her
She's been making all these massive gains and the momentum must be with her. Let's hope for her spin she keeps it up.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:53 AM
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74. ARG is 0 ofor 2. They had Clinton up by near double digits before Iowa, and was wrong in NH. nm
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Jester1183 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:12 AM
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75. ARG is a Republican front
This is a firm that doesn't poll people with cell phones, "because young people don't vote".

http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-with-am...
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:29 AM
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77. Very cool. Nice to see Edwards doing well on that poll too. But we all know
about polls.

Good luck to all the candidates! Tomorrow, we will know who won this one and it will be on to the bonus round.

:toast:
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:26 AM
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79. That's really interesting...
AOL's straw polls have Hillary winning SC, but AOL's polls also have Ron Paul getting a lot of support.

Go figure.

GO HILLARY!
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:46 AM
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83. No matter the outcome in SC, it is going to be a very exciting day...
for the people of SC tomorrow/today.

We are so used to having Iowa decide for all of us. What a welcome change this primary is.

Now, if the machines only work....
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:40 AM
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85. Go to RealClearPolitics.....
http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/96vr?countykey=ALL...

On the left, Presidential Polls, if you click on to Iowa and then the others below, you can know for sure the final listings for each state as compared with the actual results.

Whether delegates are seated or not is meaningless right now. The score is Hillary Clinton 3 states. Barack Obama 1 state. In point of fact, none of the delegates have actually been allocated so that argument is senseless. But it is really about the delegates. So we have to wait.

If you want to spend some time Google the 2004 primaries and compare them with what has happened so far. By this time back then, 2004, Kerry was on his way to running the table.

That ain't gonna happen this time.
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mrmx9 Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:31 PM
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88. Clearly ARG missed a zero off the end - 30% not 3%!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:23 PM
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87. oh really
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:33 PM
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89. We'll see...
:scared:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:20 PM
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90. Can we stop posting this garbage from this polling company now? nm
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:21 PM by TeamJordan23
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:30 AM
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91. I agree, Herman really needs to give ARG polls up! LOL
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:31 AM
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92. Boy, were they on the money, or what?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:33 AM
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93. whatever ARG says I'll now believe the exact opposite.lol
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 AM
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95. Polls are reliable like a taxi passing you by when you need one....
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:39 AM
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97. quick what is arg saying about American Samoa
We now turn our attention to the millions of Americans who will make their voices heard in Florida and the twenty-two states as well as American Samoa who will vote on February 5th.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:37 AM
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96. It makes me happy when people trump pollsters.
:bounce:
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