Clinton strategists believe racial fallout has tagged Obama as "the black candidate"

[jackson_dem]

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A new McClatchy/MSNBC poll holds warning signs for Obama. He leads Hillary Rodham Clinton in South Carolina, but his support among white Democrats fell in one week from 20 percent to a mere 10 percent after race became more of an issue in the campaign.

Blacks comprise large portions of the Democratic electorate in Deep South states, and they could help Obama win a handful of primaries, including South Carolina's. Indeed, after the results are in Saturday night, he's heading to Macon, Ga., and then on to Alabama on Sunday for campaigning.

But the more Obama is seen through a racial lens, the more it might hamper him in other, bigger states, especially those where voters might be unaccustomed or unwilling to support black candidates.

-snip-

Her strategists deny any effort to stir the racial debate, but they say they believe the fallout has had the effect of marking Obama as "the black candidate," something he has worked to avoid.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080126/ap_on_el_pr/obama_race

[southern_dem]

1. *sigh*

This is bad for the party and I hope it doesn't damage us in November.

[2rth2pwr]

2. Why would the support of White Democrats drop

10% in one week? Racism?

[beltanefauve]

5. Good question

Something stinks about those numbers. :wtf:

[jackson_dem]

6. Support of white Democrats dropped 8% for Hillary in the same week

The week Obama lost 10 points among whites Hillary lost 8 as well. Edwards gained 12. They suffered for acting like children during the debate. The difference is Obama is at 73% among blacks so it hides his weak showing among whites.

All of the above explains this week. The overall picture is a result of both paying a price for the racial flap between them. One benefited in the short term, the other in the long term. Hillary tanked among blacks, Obama among whites. Guess who is fucked on Super Tuesday if this doesn't change?

[Tellurian]

8. Obama can't have it both ways..

You can't play the race card against one ethnicity and expect the rest of the diverse ethnic population to support you. Not when your running for the job as president of "all" the people. It doesn't work that way. This is not a surprise at all and totally expected of a not ready for Prime Time candidate.

[Mythsaje]

3. That's not something they should be trumpeting, if you ask me.

It reflects far worse on them than on Obama.

[angie_love]

4. wow

This has been discussed to death already. I wish we could move on from this race thing. Why don't we start by not talking about it here on DU? I would really like to move beyond this thing as i'm sure lots of others would. I'm not trying to be rude but why do you keep bringing up this racial divide? We already know that billary is painting obama as the black candidate. It doesn't make me like them more, respect them more, it just leaves a bitter feeling in me. This news really doesn't help anyone. Its very depressing. It just proves that some white ppl aren't ready for a black president and the democratic party which is supposed to be a party of inclusion is just as bad as the repugs in many respects. It makes me lose faith in the democratic party. It made me lose faith in Billary (used to be a staunch proud supporter of them). It makes me lose faith in americans. It upsets me deeply. This is something we should not be proud of, Obama's fall in the white support is not something you should be PROUD OF. It seems clearly you are. This coming from someone who is not black but half hispanic (you'd think I'd love Hillary huh? nope it just makes me sad).

[jackson_dem]

7. Everyone will be talking about it tonight. This will be the story for the next few days

You guys are unrealistic if you think no one is going to look at exit polls showing Obama at 75% with blacks, 10-20% with whites and Edwards at 40% with whites and 4-7% with blacks and not connect the dots. Hillary is in the middle between the two extremes.

[angie_love]

10. you're obsessed with race

THERE YOU GO AGAIN. YES the media is going to talk about it, But why do you insist on talking about it over and over again? If the media jumped off a bridge would you? Seems so. I know you LOVE this racial talk, you'd love seeing Obama go down, that much is clear. But your incessant talking about this race thing is annoying. You're so obsessed.

[jackson_dem]

11. When the strategists for one candidate say this off the record it is news

Are we allowed to talk about politics here? Maybe you should be posting at americanidol.com or something.

[cali]

12. Indeed

it's beyond creepy how the OP seizes endlessly on race and makes comments that shouldn't be make here. Most of us have a clue about him.

[jackson_dem]

14. Cali swiftboating a Democrat on race just like his candidate

How is that working for Obama? :rofl:

[cali]

17. not swiftboating anyone. Pathetic as you are, you don't have a clue

as to what that means.

You've made what you are perfectly clear.

It's not a pretty thing, dumpling.

[jackson_dem]

18. Don't blame me for Obama fucking himself to win one state

[2rth2pwr]

13. Put your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes.

(Can you do both at the same time?)

Just because you don't like how this is breaking down, ignoring it won't change it.

[jackson_dem]

15. Obamites are as open to contradictory evidence as flat Earthers

These folks would be on the Titanic and curse anyone for daring to tell them they are heading for an iceberg. I can't wait until they get bitch slapped by reality on Super Tuesday.

[angie_love]

27. nah

we're not getting bitch slapped b/c we're prepared for the worst. We didn't even think we'd get this far. However, if you think billary is going to win come November... All i've got to say is, look how the audience LOVED it when Romney pointed out he can't imagine Bill in the white house w/ nothing to do. The media loved it, the audience loved it, and i'm guessing a whole lot of americans loved it. The chance of Billary winning in November is very slim. So I think you should start preparing for your bitchslap.

[jackson_dem]

28. "billary". You must be at the wrong website

[angie_love]

23. ha

Yes, but betting you can't.

This race talk has been beaten to death. What does it accomplish to talk about it over and over again?. It just makes Billary look sleazy IMO. If you want to keep talking about it fine, but realize that its going to backfire on your guy, oops girl in the end. I'm guessing you won't be wanting to keep this racial divide in the news if Billary is the nom, that would be BAD news for the party, even WORSE news as far as getting black ppl to turn out the vote for them. Its in your best interest to let it drop actually, so go on, play it to death and watch what happens. I'll be laughing about it in the end.

[jackson_dem]

25. Obama is going to win tonight because of it but we dare not talk about it!

Obama's swiftboating of the Clintons on race secured him victory in South Carolina after he took Hillary from leading among blacks to the low teen's in some polls.

[2rth2pwr]

29. After Hillary wins the nomination, Obama will be told to reach out and bring everybody together

and support the nominee, and he'll do it. Memories are short, this whole episode will be long forgotten.

[Tellurian]

33. Obama may be tied up with the Rezko Trial

every news organization is thankful to Senator Clinton for making the Rezko Trial known on National tv and Obama's ties to the "slum landlord" Rezko..

This is breaking news out tonight:

BREAKING: ABC News Reports $100,000 From Rezko That Obama Hasn't Returned/Given Away

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 06:53:21 PM EST

Sen. Obama wrote letters to city and state officials that helped secure $14 million for Rezko in taxpayer money.

This I believe will be VERY problematic and the reason why the Rezko case will develop into devastating repercussion for Obama.. No charges have been filed against Obama as of yet, but seeing his involvement is much deeper than originally thought, I don't believe he's going to skate free once the Rezko case is fully investigated.

[2rth2pwr]

40. True dat. nt

[andyrowe]

9. From "Is he black enough though?" to "He's black!?!"

The Clinton machine can beat anyone to a pulp.

[Tellurian]

16. You have to remember Obama started it. He started it with Oprah Winfrey..

then his campaign ran with it because they know SC is crucial to his viability as a candidate. They took the easy way out. Rather than build support from the inside out they polarized their support aimed strictly at AA.

[angie_love]

19. Huh?

He started it w/ Oprah? WTF does that mean? B/c shes black and she campaigned for him? Wow some ppl never cease to amaze me. Would it have made you feel better if a white celebrity campaigned for him?

[cali]

20. No. The Clinton campaign is running a Lee Atwood Southern strategey

and this business of her strategists leaking this shit is simply more proof. Why the fuck is his bringing out Oprah- whose audience is chiefly WHITE, starting anything? It's not. The Clintons are going to suffer blowback. Hell, they're already suffering it. And it will lead to a loss in November. The only good thing about that is they'll no longer be anything but scorned and derided by the party.

[Tellurian]

21. Put a little spit polish on your crystal ball..it's never been right yet!

[jackson_dem]

24. Cali celebrating the swiftboating of the Clintons on race

I am shocked!

[rodeodance]

37. Ha ha--good one.

[jackson_dem]

22. Cali's hypocrisy out in the open once again

Lee Atwood?

Southern strategy? What do you think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUp16hFzY8 was? It was a national strategy employing the same concepts as the s. strategy. The only difference is it used gays instead of blacks.

[William769]

36. She doesn't even try to hide it anymore.

Man did she have a lot of people fooled.

[jackson_dem]

45. She is just like her candidate in so many ways

[guruoo]

26. So what do you call you're strategy? n/t

[aquart]

31. You can tell this lie as often as you like

And plenty will believe it because the repetition of a lie works wonders, as Hitler found.

But it still won't be true. The race-baiting was begun as a deliberate tactic by Obama's campaign because they feared Clinton popularity in the black community.

I'm sure there will be books written justifying your version. They won't be true, either.

Now you can go back to lying.

[MadBadger]

48. I am so sick of you and your Bullshit and your bullshit site. Ignore

[ShortnFiery]

30. They WISH! Here's how HRC's hero "divided and conquered" with Nixon's Southern Strategy:

http://www.aznews.us/it_is_time_to_demythologize_goldwater_by_telling_the_truth,_goldwater_was_a_racist.htm

It is Time to Demythologize Goldwater by Telling the Truth, Goldwater was a Racist

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger. By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like States' Rights," — Lee Atwater.


*Goldwater was the Champion of "States' Rights," Code for Anti Civil Rights

The best thing that ever happened to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s is Barry Goldwater lost his bid to become president of the United States by a landslide.

If Goldwater had won, the United States would not have Civil Rights and equal justice for all. Blacks would still be riding in the back of City of Phoenix buses and forced to use their own restrooms. The Orpheum and Herberger Theatres, Chase Field, and US Airways Center would all have two entrances. Front grand entrances for whites. Back dark small doors for Blacks to use.

---------------

It seems that, HRC, the former "Goldwater Girl" and ex-young college republican President is coming back to her roots? :evilgrin: :nuke:

[rodeodance]

38. Your song and dance pony show is getting beyond boring.

[AtomicKitten]

49. The Clintons emulate the very worst GOP strategies.

That particular win at any cost strategy is playing with fire, and it should come at no surprise that Democrats are rejecting it.

[AdHocSolver]

32. The dislike of Clinton among many Dems, independents, and Republicans would cost her in the GE.

Clinton has more negatives in a general election than Obama has. The hostility toward Hillary is not based on her being a woman. It has been built up for the past fifteen years because she is a Clinton.

If Clinton is the nominee, that would give the Republicans a good chance to steal another election.

We are not much better off with Obama. His "hands across the table" approach to dealing with the Republicans is of a similar ilk to Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table" pronouncement. Tell the "enemy" up front that you will do nothing to seriously oppose them (not even try), and watch the right-wing laugh and continue "business as usual".

The only candidate to confront the seriousness of the problems in this country, and propose workable solutions that could make a difference is John Edwards. Polls have shown that Edwards is the only candidate who could beat any Republican in the general election.

John's message resonates with the people who are independent or Republican, and who's support will be needed to win in November.

Edwards has everything going for him: The right platform, the right message, a great personality, and the ability to connect with people. It would be a shame if the Democratic party squabbled its way into another defeat.

I want to win the presidency in 2008 and that is why I support John Edwards for president.

[Tellurian]

35. After Hillary wins the nomination, it would be nice if JE was on her short list for VP..

[bvar22]

51. Never happen!

Edwards has sworn to FIGHT AGAINST Corporate influence in the White House,
NOT join it.

[lapfog_1]

34. Yup, I'm pretty sure that Obama got every last

black vote in Iowa... and that, and only that, secured his victory there.

If it wasn't for the black vote, he never would have stood a chance!


(ok, just in case some HillShills are reading this, I'll put the appropriate clue here for you)

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[jackson_dem]

46. Why do Obamites not understand the timeline of Obama playing the race game?

[lapfog_1]

50. When Hillary loses today

What do you think the "explanation" will be?

The HillShills like you have been laying the groundwork for this defeat for over a week now.

Who is playing the race card again?

[flordehinojos]

39. no one else marked him as the black candidate except himself.

he did it to himself by whinning a constant whine that hillary was playing the race card. she wasn't. he was.

[BootinUp]

41. They need to STFU. nt

[robbedvoter]

42. Obama's campaign pulled all stops on this as SC is do or die - and long term

just couldn't be afforded. Blame the Clenis all you want, Hillary was doing better in SC before race became an issue in the campaign - they are smart enough to know it too.
Media hyped it - but Obama used it as a strategy to rally the base in SC

[forsberg]

43. This is the fallout from an Obama candidacy

He is black, he is a candidate...and well, he supported mostly by back voters.

His candidacy has been too polarizing, and I said from the beginning it would tear apart the democratic party.

[jackson_dem]

47. He was losing among black voters until he swiftboated the Clintons on race

[Barack_America]

44. I'm not falling for it. n/t