Theses a lot of Obama hate mongering going on this site thats troubling

[bigdarryl]

So much for dems being inclusive

[Medusa]

1. I can't figure out if it's true racisim or just Hillary operatives

at work.

[niceypoo]

63. There is no racism

Just a media out of control and Obama and his supporters falling for it.

[Andy823]

70. Yep

And if you say anthing about Obama that is not "praise", his supporters seem to jump on it, and the race issue comes up.

Bringing out facts about any candidate, is not a race or gender issue. Using the race, or gender card, to attack those who bring out facts against Obama or Hillary, is just plain childish, and stupid! The media started it, Obama and Clinton jumped on it, and it has gotten way out of hand.

[neutron]

86. Clinton is being SMEARED 3 times a day

in other blogs like Daily Kos. They've troll rated off everyone who tried to
correct their gross lies.

Fortunately, not all liberal blogs are infested by Right Wing Trolls pretending to
be liberals who hate Clinton.

J

[lastliberalintexas]

84. Or maybe people tired of the religiosity of his campaign?

I don't like people who associate with fundy jackasses, whether they are black, white or purple. And that was what finally made me decide I coudn't support him, btw.


I am not a Clinton supporter either. Does that somehow make me a self-hating feminist? :sarcasm:

[neutron]

90. I wasn't a Clinton supporter until

watching both the
NH and NV debates. She won both, and the media gave her no credit.
Her mind is obviously the brightest. And she a truly dedicated hard working
candidate.
I only trust what what I see.
I'm grossed out by the Obama operatives in the blogs. They've been sliming
Clinton for months. He has made no attempt to tamp down the smear campaign.
She isn't engaging in this dirty stuff.
Obama keeps talking about dirty Clinton tactics. But I haven't seen them.

[AngryAmish]

2. A lot of Hillary supporters think he is "uppity"

[rodeodance]

Do you have something to back up that comment?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. uppity?

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. "Some people say..."

:eyes:

[niceypoo]

65. Examples please

[Evergreen Emerald]

you guys are so disingenuous

The hatred for Clinton caused people to become defensive. That is what is going on.

[chascarrillo]

13. Thanks for acknowledging the anti-Obama hatemongering

It's a start!

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. I can just shake my head in amazement.

Look at the posts attacking Clinton. It is non-stop and has been since the beginning. At first I kept silent, but the unfair, right-wing attacks became too much--too vitriolic. And I found myself coming to her defense more and more.


How quickly you guys forget history.

[niceypoo]

69. Count threads attacking Hillary then count those attacking Obama

and you will see that at least 10 times more of them are against Hillary.

Then ask yourself, "what have I become."

[MonkeyFunk]

3. And Clinton gets such a love-fest here

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

4. chuckle

[Nedsdag]

20. Grow up!

You know DAMN well the ratio of Clinton supporters to Obama supporters is 2:1 Clinton and YOU know it!

[MonkeyFunk]

21. That's blatantly false

check any poll here. Clinton always comes in last.

Grow up yourself - can't you make your (wrong) point without insults?

[Nedsdag]

39. Get you head out of the sand.

You've seen the pro-Hillary posts! They outnumber the pro-Obama posts 2:1.

If you consider what I said an insult, then you're more sensitive than I thought.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. Check any poll

Clinton ALWAYS comes in last.

You're talking out of your ass.

[Nedsdag]

57. Nice comment!

That comment won't get me to support your candidate.

All I mentioned to you was sticking your head in the sand. Maybe your head is up your ass instead?

[Steely_Dan]

76. I Got News For You Ned...

There is NOTHING anyone could say to convince you of anything other than your own point(s) of view. It's called being "narrow-minded."

-P

[Nedsdag]

80. Actually,

I always felt that Clinton supporters were narrow minded.

[Zodiak]

55. Actually Clinton's support by membership is small

About 10-15% of DU.

However, yes, you have noticed that even though they are a minority, they post WAY more times per day than the average DUer.

By post, they are probably ahead of pro-Obama posts by a margin of 2:1.

But there are more Obama supporters.

Funny thing is....Edwards has the most supporters on this board, but we post far less often per individual.

[indimuse]

66. what...?

not!

[lastliberalintexas]

85. The beginning post of a discussion

which makes me so happy to not be a supporter of either...

[Atman]

5. What if it's neither?

Why can't it simply be people who don't think he's the right person for the job? People CAN have differing opinions without being a "hater" or an operative of somebody's. I don't know what specific threads you're talking about, but I DO know that if you say something positive about Hillary Clinton here you're labeled "an operative" and/or an Obama hater. So if you say something positive about Obama, you're obviously one of the Clinton haters. It's a no-win.

[LWolf]

7. Thank you. Keep saying this,

whether or not it is able to penetrate the fog of propaganda.

[lastliberalintexas]

89. Sorry, no can do

If you are not supporting Clinton, you're a sexist/misogynist. If you're not supporting Obama, you're a racist. That is all.

I mean, how dare you think that some people might have decided against Clinton for actual votes on things like IWR, the Iranain guard, outsourcing and the like. And please, how could anyone have decided against Obama for being so willing to compromise with republicans, engaging homophobic members of the Ex-gay Movement for his campaign or being less than enthusiastic about issues of economic justice? Obviously racism and sexism is what is driving the debate.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Some peopole seem gleeful about an increase in racial tension or polarization.

It is unbelievably disgusting.

[joeybee12]

8. Nothing compared to HIlary hate

Things get out of control around here, but this is another example of BO's supporters applying a double-standard--anything against BO is racist or hate-filled... anything against Hilary or anyone else is fair game.

[whatdoyouthink]

9. Seams

Like not allot of love - being passed around here

Hope when this is over? (might be a while)

that us Dem's can - work out are Issues, and stand behind who ever? wins are primary

[HereSince1628]

10. Methinks it stems from the frustration with the dem 'controlled' congress

For a year people have been looking for our guys to take a stand and fight for what they believe in.

The primary season provides an opportunity for folks to make their own stand for "their" candidate.

DU'er got noisey during the 2004 primary, too. But there is much more angst in it this time, and I think that is because the frustration levels are wound a lot tighter.

[durrrty libby]

11. I'm sure, as a longtime Hill basher, you don't see the hypocrisy of your statement

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

14. a fish in water does not know it is in water.

[durrrty libby]

19. True

[Politicub]

12. McClurkin and the ex-gays are troubling to me

So that is why I'm anti Obama. I don't hate the man, but I loathe the fact that his campaign paid an ex-gay to emcee an event, and then gave him a platform to spew his rhetoric. And before someone says, "Hillary has homophobes on her campaign," I say you just don't understand the caustic nature of the ex-gays, and how offensive it is to the gay community to even hint at giving them cover. Not once has Hillary given quarter to the exgays, and just yesterday I read something about how she spoke eloquently and forcefully against gay teen suicides.

So for you to accuse anyone who disagrees with Obama as "hating" him, really needs to do some research on the wages of hate, especially as it applies to the hair raising tactics used by the people "restoring" others to their "natural" state. It is nothing more than destruction of identity, and I despise the Obama campaign using this tactic to win over a few votes in SC.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I second that

Any campaign that will cozy to the ex-gay movement is not getting my vote. Obama knew that when he hired these nasty charlatans, so any complaints from Obama fans should be directed to Obama. He traded my vote away, willfully, and I have been told by a dozen Obama supporters that he did not need any gay votes and did not want them either. I am happy to oblige, but now that they are facing western states they are nervous about the bigot alliances, as they should be. Cost them NH and NV. About to cost them Super Tuesday! Tell your friends!
Edwards 2008.

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Hate mongering against Democrats is troubling

I try hard to avoid it. But too often DU puts the DU in Drudge's Report. Yes it is being done to Obama, and yes Edwards has gotten that treatment also. But no Democratic candidate got that treatment as harshly, as consistently, and for as long on DU than Hillary Clinton.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. it exposes the party to the GOP

[Nedsdag]

18. It's more like de facto racism.

It's not blatant but it is there.

Clintonites don't want ANYONE upsetting the apple cart. How dare this colored boy revolt against the plantation!

[ruggerson]

22. It's more like de facto homophobia

Obama doesn't want those dirty queers to be legitimized.

Let em stay on the down low, where they belong.

(I don't really think this, but it's about as stupid as what you wrote.)

[Nedsdag]

27. Give it up, ruggerson.

Shut up and vote for Hillary, who by the way, has homophobic ministers on her payroll as well.

[ruggerson]

34. Thanks. I plan to vote for her.

Ain't nothing you can say or do that'll stop that. Even bogus race baiting.

[Nedsdag]

52. Go ahead, vote for her.

She'll screw you over like her husband screwed over African American voters. Remember Lani Guinier? No, I didn't think so.

I had to hold my nose and vote for her stupid husband despite of his diss of Sistah Souljah and his execution of Rickey Ray Rector. What did I get out of it? Welfare "reform" and more African Americans in jail.

But Obama is a "homophobe" so he must be punished. Be careful what you wish for, ruggerson.

[hulklogan]

50. Obamanaut McClurkin Ex-Gay Talking Point #8

"Hillary does it too!"

Now shut up and vote for Hillary dammit :rofl:

[Nedsdag]

59. That's what you want me to do, right?

Be a good little black girl and vote for Miz Hillary.

Yassuh, ah's doin' it!

[KennedyGuy]

40. spoken like a true racist

[Nedsdag]

58. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Gotta recommend this for comedic value.

[ClericJohnPreston]

24. Have all you Obamatons lost your marbles?

Really!!!

How Narcissistic do you Obamites have to be to view the World from your ME, ME, ME, point of view?

You act like political neophytes and consistenly misread other's fears of a disingenuous candidate like Obama, who has provided myriad reasons for that concern. Though you diminish the reality, because you choose a cultist ignorance, this guy has bashed the liberal arm of the Democratic Party, and embraced a Conservative "bi-partisanship".

There are many people, completely absent ANY racial component, like me, who fear Conservative conciliation, in an era when a drastic FDR type correction is needed. This absurd "racism" LABELING , is just your feints and distractions, to avoid the TRUTH of Obama hypocrisy.

Just because you choose willing ignorance of your candidate, does not mean everyone else will.

By the way, way to stir the pot.

[Rydz777]

25. "Theses a lot...?" What does Obama have to do with theses? nt

[ClericJohnPreston]

26. Did you ever notice

how the snappy conversation dries up, any time you respond directly to the baiting threads started by Obamites?

[cloudythescribbler]

28. Of course, those involved in the hate mongering of Obama will protestate otherwise.... SURPRISE!!!!

[ClericJohnPreston]

29. The way to shut an Obamaton up

is to ask them to answer a direct question about their candidate's position, WITHOUT A LINK!

The other way is to use logic against all their impassioned pleas to irrationality.

Pathetic...

[cloudythescribbler]

56. withOUT a link? Why? It's always nice to have some documentation ...

[ClericJohnPreston]

68. Nice excuse

for being so in the clouds over the absence of substance in any speech, that you have to go to some static site to get your talking points.

Thanks for being so helpful in proving all form, no substance!

[cloudythescribbler]

83. If you're so interested in Obama's platform, why not just visit his website?

Frankly, I have seen very little difference between the platforms of Obama, Edwards and Hillary Clinton. On one issue of debate, Obama was roundly lambasted both by Hillbots and by Paul Krugman for not including a mandate that all ADULTS must buy health insurance (children are required to be covered in his plan). Obama's argument on this point is quite convincing AND THOUGH IT IS RARELY MENTIONED, OFTEN DOVETAILS WITH THE POSITION OF UNIONS. Obama says that most people WANT to buy health insurance, but that it's unaffordable and has too many loopholes (noncoverage, even for those with health "coverage"). Obviously, if you do what is possible to make health coverage affordable to people of all income levels, the problems people face would be addressed by that.

However, forcing people who (however foolishly, etc) choose not to buy health coverage even when it is made affordable means that, among other things, you have automatically created a constituency, which Repukes would no doubt exploit, who are opposed to your plan, as they would be FORCED to do something they otherwise choose not to do. Note that the VAST majority of people in the upper upper income brackets (eg over $100K per year) already have health coverage; it's precisely the middle and portions of the 'lower' class (who might not qualify for MedicAid, which can be extremely strict about who gets coverage) who are the ones who would be forced to buy health coverage they might still have trouble affording (as no amount of reform can address EVERYONE's financial situation), and who would otherwise have no objection to the plan at all. These people would be ripe for the picking by repuke and industry opposition to the overall Democratic plan, which for Obama as for the others includes provisions like negotiating lower prices for pharmaceuticals, allowing cheaper imports to compete, etc.

Obama has also let it be known that, if it turns out that HUGE numbers (as claimed by HRC and Krugman) of people were STILL opting out of carrying health insurance, he would THEN consider some kind of mandate, with, as is necessary to make any mandate meaningful, sanctions for those who defy it. But, as ESKOW (at Huffpo -- you can look up the reference) explains in one column, Obama wants to FIRST do whatever is possible to make health insurance AFFORDABLY AVAILABLE to all, and THEN, only if necessary, add a mandate; Edwards and Clinton on the other hand, start out with a mandate, so if for some reason the subsidies prove insufficient (MA has an opt-out for hardship people can apply for, meaning more red tape), people could still face a requirement to buy health insurance they either don't want or have difficulty affording.

This is just ONE issue of platform difference between the candidates, one of the relatively MAJOR ones, one for which Obama has taken a lot of heat, and which on close review turns out to make sense -- not that I would vote for him or against HRC or Edwards based on that.

The main differences between the three leading Democrats are NOT on stated platforms, but on outlook, character, and predeliction, admittedly more difficult to gauge, but often the primary issues.

[KennedyGuy]

30. Oh..I know..the love and civility from the Obamanuts toward Hill has shown us the way

what a maroon...

[adapa]

31. the anti-Clinton threads out number the anti-Obama threads by at least 2 to 1

[Nedsdag]

32. Thank you!

We might as well call Democratic Underground, Hillary Underground or Clinton Underground because the hatred between the Clinton camps and the Edwards camps toward Obama supporters are irrational.

[KennedyGuy]

38. I thought I was on the Obama string of Freerepublic

you guys are too funny.
you scream.."Hillary is an evil, racist, bitch" and then say.."how uncivil you Hill folks are"?
Is idiocy and denial a requisite for Obamanation?

[Big Blue Marble]

47. I agree with you completely,

I said the same thing two days ago about changing the name of this place to Hillary Underground.
I do want to believe that these irrational haters, most of which I now have on ignore are a small
and immature part of DU.

[ClericJohnPreston]

51. First of all, stop mimicking!

The word "irrational" was never used, UNTIL I USED IT...to describe OBAMATONS.

Being the UNoriginal non-thinkers that you are, you just mimick what you see, whether that makes sense or not.

[Big Blue Marble]

54. I have been using the word irrational for weeks, thank you.

Your response to my post is the hyperbolic ad hominem that calls forth the word irrational.
Hate, hate, hate, attack, attack, attack...ignore.

[ClericJohnPreston]

72. Gee, I have been using it for YEARS

but that is ignoring the fact we are talking about this thread only. Of course, you can't admit the truth.

I can only hope all you Obamatons put the DU forum on ignore, except for your cabal of cultists. It only proves the distinguishing characteristic of a cult, their complete intolerance for a differing point of view.

You see, that would allow in Cognitive Dissonance, so of course, like children, you want to clasp your hands over your ears.

Run along and play now....

[Big Blue Marble]

77. Projection could be your problem.

I am very happy to discuss rational alternative points of view on policy differences between
our candidates. FYI, Edwards has been my third choice, Kucinich being my first choice.

Obama is far from being my perfect candidate. I would be happy to have an intelligent
conversation about his flaws as well as the flaws of the other two leading candidates.

When the discourse is reduced to name calling as in Obamatons, cultists and children,
the description irrational seems appropriate.

[ClericJohnPreston]

78. Marble......

this thread was started , as so many others were, by an Obama cultist who was merely looking to stir the pot, and inflame people on an emotional level. That is a commfortable spot for Obamatons, that which is predicated on fiery, emotional dialogue.

It is almost disconcerting and laughable, that your entreaty to a "conversation", takes place in the backdrop of ObamaNation rancor. The deserved condemnation of the OP speaks for itself. Perhaps, you would be more credible in another thread. In this one, you are merely a feint and distraction from the contemptuous idiocy of the OP.

Why don't you comment on that??????? Hmmmm???????

[Big Blue Marble]

81. To continue...

You are using inflammatory rhetoric to criticize the OP for being inflammatory.

I would suggest that neither supports your argument that the Obama supporters are
the problem around here or helps you win support for your candidate. So what is your
purpose? You insult and minimize my intentions as well as my candidate.

If you are seriously concerned about the discourse here, please lower your own tone a few
decibels. Otherwise you too will be written off as as part of the "contemptuous idiocy"
that lurks on these boards.

As to my commenting on the OP, I agree that the construction of the comment might be construed
to be provoking. The sentiment expressed though is right on. I am seriously troubled by the
viciousness of the attacks. And yes some Obama supporters belittle others as well. And I am
not any more objective than you are in deciding who is doing it more.

Yet your style of responding to my comments is very typical of what I often experience here.
You, dear John are part of the problem. I hope you can come to see that so that you will
start to offer positive contributions to our discourse.

[cooolandrew]

Yeah, it's easy to get sept into it but let's keep t positive for barack positivity creates.

[cooolandrew]

33. Yeah, it's easy to get swept into it but let's keep t positive for barack positivity creates.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. are you playing the race card?

[jefferson_dem]

36. They hate Obama for raining on the coronation.

...among other things.

It was her turn!!

[KennedyGuy]

45. Unlike Obamas "My time is now"

code translation.."Its my turn"

[Nedsdag]

61. No, that is what Hillary has said.

She's the one who keeps saying "It's my turn?"

I'm sorry, but I missed the coronation ceremony.

[Medusa]

91. Exactly

Voters aren't following the script. The Clintonistas are very unhappy indeed. I really would love to know how many are paid agents of the Clintons. Keep pissing off the black vote. They are your fucking base whether you know it or not.

[Barack_America]

37. If you look closely, you'll see that it's about the same 20-25 Hillary supporters...

Who are the culprits. All it takes is exercising the "ignore" function a little bit, and the place looks a whole lot better.

I'm *hoping* that these people are like Clinton herself; not personally racist, but more than willing to use race in order to win.

[mondo joe]

43. This thread is more proof that Obama and co are not ready for prime time.

The anti Clinton posts far outnumber the anti Obama ones, but the precious dears have to cry victim and accuse their peers of racism.

Just not ready.

[tishaLA]

44. I think the Clinton supporters just post more

than the Obama supporters, who I *think* outnumber the Clinton supporters somewhat. I;m terrible in this regard, just as I was in 04 when I supported Clark: I get exasperated and don't bother to post in favor of my candidate. The Clinton supporters, on the other hand, are off the hook with their exuberance and ability to dictate the terms of the debate.

[Big Blue Marble]

46. It is extremely troubling.

The hate for Obama on this site has risen to a hatred that matches or even exceeds
the hatred for Bush. It is vile and vicious. But it is a hatred that is irrationally justified
and rationalized by its proponents as in this thread.

At some point sooner or later it is likely that Obama will be our president, whether these haters
like it or not. I wonder if these haters will change their tune at that time.


I don;t think this hatred is racially based as much as it is the dark side ot tribalism.
Whatever it is, it is disturbing,so disturbing that I no longer actually know how bad it has become because
I have put most of them on ignore.

[Essene]

49. Hate is the operative word. It's not criticism, it's real hate mongering.

I had posts deleted here, have been bashed, have been threatened...

All because i was posting facts about the clinton race baiting.


AND im not even an obama supporter. It's sad.


THEN AGAIN>.. folks hate Hillary too.

[UALRBSofL]

62. Can't believe this post

Read this whole post, and, the main theme I took from it was that the Obama supporters are calling the Clintons racists. Do you realize how calling a candidate a racist is so polarizing and such a turn-off it is to the american public. Well, not so much the republicans, but, it is for the democrats. I hope race is forgotten going into super tuesday because I believe if the media and Barack supporters yell it enough times from the mountain tops it is going to hurt Barack. Just my opinion.

[1corona4u]

60. Do you also find the Hillary hate mongering troubling?

Or do you discriminate selectively?

[UALRBSofL]

74. I'll Go One Better Then That

Everyone turn your TV to CNN. I've had it on all morning. Every hour on the hour the commentators talk about the SC primary and then talk about the race issue for voters in SC. Do people really think this is good for our party or do you think this is helping the republican party??? Just a thought.

[1corona4u]

75. This whole election is a joke....

from the word go. And the media is about 80% responsible for that.

[Honeycombe8]

64. Yes, there is. The Repubs are loving this, I'm sure. I'm ashamed of the Clintonites. nt

[suston96]

67. Hate mongering? Ya think? I think Obama is likeable enough....Don't you?

[Alizaryn]

71. I have learned to skim/ignore quickly.

The hatred is not doing anyone any good and is certainly not helping sell their case for a different candidate.

[ClericJohnPreston]

73. No....

you ignore because a cult can only survive in an ECHO CHAMBER.

The moment you are scrutinized, your COGNITIVE DISSONANCE kicks in and you run from the conflict of reality and your desperate clinging to fantasy.

[stravu9]

79. What I see...

is Obama supporters shouting down Edwards and has supporters.
The vast majority of people I have on ignore are Obama supporters who I feel have attacked me for my support of Edwards.
I can't agree with your assessment but I will tell you that the vitriol from Obama supporters has made me dislike him as a candidate.
You know, you are known by the company you keep and all that.

[WyldRogue]

82. It's a sad state to see the Dems...

...so divided (thanx to Rovian tactics by ALL parties (Dem and GOP)) that now voters are gonna vote based NOT on experience but RACE instead. So far from what I gather, Obama WILL get the majority of the black vote because of why else?? He's now the BLACK candidate. Ignore the fact that he's been wishy washy concerning critical votes or the fact he's only been in the Senate for 3 years..... Oprah sure did a good job promoting the 'agenda' huh?

And I am willing to bet that more black voters will vote THIS time around. If they had voted before, maybe the Shrub would not have had the office twice... shame.

Well people, you vote and you get what you deserve if he indeed turns out to be the closet Republican I and quite a few other suspect he really is.

And now the Obamites are making a stand:

"If Obama doesn't get the Nomination, they will not vote"

Now how un-Democratic is that?? Cult-like attitudes being shown. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

I see plenty of Hillary and Edwards fans stating that if Obama gets the nod, he'll have their votes.

You Obama people need to grow the f*ck up!

[surfermaw]

87. From what I have read, it has been Hillary hating from day one and Edwards, so why cry

[Thrill]

88. You knew the true colors would show

I was more surprised by the use of the saying 'race card'. As a Democrat, I would never use that Repuke/Racist bullshit saying

[Darth_Kitten]

92. uh..............

he's so far been treated with kid gloves.