ABsolutely Generic question about campaign appearance in Florida

[Perky]

There is no penalty for campaigning in FLorida. There is a metaphysical penalty from SC voters, but I suspect that given any campaigning in FLorida starting Sunday would not be held against a candidate in the Fall: SC having gotten the respect and the media focus they were demanding.


But taht is about it.

FL does not count...at least not yet ... and it seems that Obama has made a play according to Clinton supporters and the Clintons have made a play according to Obama supporters with the delegate seating issue.


Despite FL not counting.... there is value in doing well there as a momentum builder or as a firewall.

If you are campaign director.....would you roll the dice?

[Ravy]

1. No.

If you agreed with the early states not to, it doesn't matter if they have voted already or not.

People in those states voted with the trust that you would not campaign in Florida, and you would be breaking that trust.

[Perky]

2. Solely to protect their statuses as first in the nation or region

They got that... so the question is when does the pledge expire. I think it expires as soon as the SC pools close.

I do not even know if there is wording on the pledge.

[Ravy]

6. They are all going to be before Florida anyway...

so if it expires after they vote in the states what is the point of an agreement at all.

The point was that Florida moved too close to their primaries so they made them promise not to campaign there, period.

With Obama already running ads in Florida, and Clinton making the fuss to count the votes, I think both of them have already broken their pledge.

Obama says he has the permission of the SC delegation to run the ads in Florida, and the DNC (which accordng to the DNC is a lie), but even if he did, he (and Clinton) *already* got the benefit from the pledge with the IA, NH, and NV voters and to break it in any fashion, especially after the other party has already lived up to their end, is wrong.

[Perky]

9. Obama ran national ads that were not geared to FLorida voters

You can not prohibit or penalize him if the networks are unable to black out FLorida transmission

Whether it was intentianal or not as defactop advertsing in FLorida is a different issue. It is a fjust a week before SUpert Tuesday and national ads are cheaper then buying local advertisin in so many major markets. Can't blame him for that.


But I understand the argument.... The Clinton's attempt to suggest that they will fight for FLorida at the Convention is a little closer to a direct appeal to Floride voters. But again it is debatable if it crossed the line


It is all pretense at this point anyway.

[Ravy]

11. People always have excuses for why their candidates do what they do.

None are totally clean. One of these candidates, I hope, will be our next president. I would hope that we would hold each to the standard we hold their opponents.

[MaineDem]

3. There is a penalty

Any candidate who campaigns in a state that moved ahead of the window is stripped of all his/her delegates. I would assume that would be a separate issue from the state losing all delegates. If one group was reseated the other group would have to be handled separately.

[Perky]

4. do you have a link to that?

There in no SC pledge on the SC DEM site.

[MaineDem]

5. DNC Delegate Selection Rules

http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/de68e7b6dfa0743217_hwm6bhyc4.pdf

20.C.1.b

A presidential candidate who campaigns in a state where the state party is in
violation of the timing provisions of these rules, or where a primary or caucus is
set by a state’s government on a date that violates the timing provisions of these
rules, may not receive pledged delegates or delegate votes from that state.
Candidates may, however, campaign in such a state after the primary or caucus
that violates these rules. “Campaigning” for purposes of this section includes,
but is not limited to, purchasing print, internet, or electronic advertising that
reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state; hiring
campaign workers; opening an office; making public appearances; holding news
conferences; coordinating volunteer activities; sending mail, other than
fundraising requests that are also sent to potential donors in other states; using
paid or volunteer phoners or automated calls to contact voters; sending emails or
establishing a website specific to that state; holding events to which Democratic
voters are invited; attending events sponsored by state or local Democratic
organizations; or paying for campaign materials to be used in such a state. The
Rules and Bylaws Committee will determine whether candidate activities are
covered by this section.

[Perky]

7. Sof there ar e not delegates at stake..... there is no penalty.

There would be a donnybrook at the convention over whether or not the delegates should be apportioned according to the beauty contest results....but the Clintons have already effectively made that argument.


I would roll the dice.. becauxe there are no delegates to be lost.

[MaineDem]

8. It's possible that even if the state's delegation is seated...

...a candidate who campaigns in a non-conforming state could lose his/her portion of those delegates. I don't know for sure but it might be that way.

[Perky]

10. It is probably a moot question anyway,,, Its a game of Chicken

Maybe we can get Ron Gravel down there.... I don't think he has officially pulled out
LOL

[Perky]

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