Buchanan, if Obama wins in SC, why can't the story be SC makes history--gives nod to black candidate

[flpoljunkie]

Rather than your spinning, that a win in South Carolina, doesn't mean much if Barack doesn't win big, and even then-- question whether it will it have any effect on momentum going toward February 5th.

Buchanan is on MSNBC with Joe, Mika and David Schuster.

[babylonsister]

1. I heard him. He's a blowhard, so I don't give him much credence.

Sounds like the talking point the Clintons have been aiming at. If Barack wins, no big deal because it's 'only' SC, even while Bill tried to charm the populace all week. I hope the residents aren't buying it.

[Nimrod2005]

4. Keep in mind, major party AA leaders will be endorsing at the end of the day or soon

after...

[global1]

7. Classic Rovian Ploy - Lower Expectations And It Is Being Done By Both.....

Buchanan and the HRC Campaign.

What I don't understand - is that they are saying that Barack can't win the General Election without support of the white vote - isn't the converse true as well - HRC can't win the General Election without the support of the black vote.

I think I know what you HRC supporters are going to say - who else will the blacks vote for in the GE - cause they won't vote Repug. So by default they vote for HRC if she is the nominee.

But think about it - if Obama wins the nomination - it's a matter of positioning him against the Repug candidate - and that positioning is about 'change' and 'hope' and 'moving away from the politics of fear'. And Obama represents that more so than HRC who is from inside the beltway; has the baggage of Bill's foibles and is hated by the Repugs so much that they will rally the vote against her. This is why Buchanan is swaying the vote to HRC and muddying up Obama's success. The Repugs want to run against HRC - it is their only chance to win the GE - albeit slim - it is a chance. And he is commissioned by the Repugs to help give them that chance.

What pisses me off about this whole thing - is we are coming off 8 years of Rovian tactics being foisted on the American people. We are on to them and I'm sick of being manipulated. This is why I can't stand the fact that the HRC campaign is pulling the same tactics. And when Obama tries to defend himself when hit with these tactics - he's criticized for playing the same game. Haven't we learned through John Kerry's mishandling of the 'swiftboats' that one needs to defend themselves - swiftly and forceably? Why do they jump on Obama for defending himself.

And if it is bad for Obama to win with 'black support' - is it bad for HRC to win with 'women's support'?

We don't need another 4 or 8 years of divisiveness in D.C. and the world. I'm afraid that if HRC wins the Dem nomination - she either loses in the GE - because of what I indicated above. Or by some sheer way she manages to win the GE - the American people lose because - we'll be back in a 'gridlock' situation in D.C.

When I see the endorsements that Obama is getting from fellow Senators, Representatives, Governors, Mayors & newspapers - it's because they see the fact that if HRC is the Dem nominee - she is no shoe-in.

[babylonsister]

13. And Obama got the white vote in Iowa, so PB's comments are specious.

The media is foaming at the mouth over this; he's on again right now, here.

I think the Clintons think everyone will fall in line eventually. They might not figure that many people might just sit this one out because of them. And that's what is so worrisome. I don't know why the Clintons don't give a damn about it.

[sunonmars]

2. If Buchanan is spinning that be very very worried.

[wyldwolf]

3. Because Jesse Jackson took that honor in 1984?

[MoonRiver]

5. I also heard him say that what he facing in the primary will be like patty cake

if he's the Dem nominee. He was referring of course to the Rethug attack machine that is gearing up and ready to roll.

[babylonsister]

6. Well, by then he'll have a lot of practice thanks to the Clintons. nt

[global1]

8. Sorry - The Repug Attack Team Will Have Very Little Ammunition Against Obama......

as they have spent all their time getting ready for HRC - that has ample ammunition against her. This is why Buchanan is trying to sway the vote in favor of HRC as they know they can beat her. With Obama - they've lost.

We need to wake up. We need to put our focus on the General Election and who will be able to win and win big. Cause even if HRC wins - it will be by a small margin - and they will again use their Rovian tactics to say that she doesn't have the mandate by the American people. We'll be right back where we started folks.

[Seen the light]

9. And we're taking what Pat Buchanan says seriously......why?

[MoonRiver]

10. No. The OP gave an incomplete statement about what he said, however.

[suston96]

11. It will have a lot to do with the exit polling.....

I have posted these numbers previously:

Interesting demographics about SC. From a state government site. I believe they are current.

Total registered voters in SC: 2,246,242

Total voted in Repub primary: 442,789

That leaves: 1,803,453

Of that non-white voters: 629,000

That leaves total white voters 1,174,353

Non-white voters in SC have shown up by some 20% more than white voters.

The demographics in the exit polling on Saturday will tell all about how the two groups voted.

http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/96vr?countykey=ALL&D1=RACE

[robbedvoter]

15. Very interesting - and adds to my reasons on why SC is wide open

as predicted here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4180669&mesg_id=4180669

[OHdem10]

12. This statement from Buchanan is incomplete. As much as

we might not like it Buchanan understands and is
the most honest on these issues.

Joe Scarborough, Romneu supporter is loving every minute
of this. He sees the GOP winning the election as a result
of all the Race Talk.

[HughMoran]

14. "black candidate" ? oh, and he already won in Iowa

Pat Buchanan?

I hope there is something more positive than this to be said when Barack wins today!

[cooolandrew]

16. Against all odds Barack is in there and doing it for every american. It's outstanding what he's ..

... so far. Imagine what he can get done for his coutnry.

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Please read this journal before you take anything Pat Buchanan says at face value.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4201389

Pat Buchanan is much more skillful at lying and at manipulating the public than people like Karl Rove and Paul Wolfowitz. Pat Buchanan is a nasty piece of work. He is welcome at MSNBC, because he is an isolationist who gives conservative backing to the "bring the troops home" movement and the "You will Invade Iran over our dead bodies" movement which have become the raison d'etre of GE/NBC and the Pentagon. However, being politically correct on that one issue does not change the fact that Buchanan is a racist, sexist sob who is a master of the so called Southern Strategy---which divides the working and middle class of America along the artificial ground of skin color and fosters fear and suspicion.

Buchanan has carefully crafted an image as a truth teller by offering candid criticism of the news media and fellow conservatives. This makes him seem artless. This is an old trick of southern politicians and is one of the reason that they are so successful. Do not be fooled. Allowing people little glimpses of your "weaknesses" is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Every time W. laughs at his own Village Idiot stupidity, he buys himself a little forgiveness from the American people that someone like Richard Nixon would not get. When LBJ greeted reporters on the toilet, they might complain, but the American people were in Johnson's court.

Buchanan is as "artless" as the Mona Lisa.