Obama: "I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote. I need you to get Ray-Ray to vote."

[journalist3072]

Has Obama lost his mind? "I need you get grab Cousin Pookie to vote. I need you to get Ray-Ray to vote."

If that's not playing to Black stereotypes, I don't know what is. And this is why I, as a Black woman, cannot and absolutely will not support him.
______________________________________________

Obama walks a tricky racial line

By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jan 26, 1:49 AM ET

CHARLESTON, S.C. - Barack Obama is walking a tricky racial line, trying to excite black support in the South without getting tagged as "the black candidate" and scaring off anybody else.

At a spaghetti dinner in the basement of a black church this week, he told a cheering crowd the civil rights movement started from the bottom up, with marches and boycotts. "That's how change comes," he said, linking black civil rights to his own campaign slogan.

But here in South Carolina, which has its Democratic primary Saturday, he also says over and over that color doesn't matter.

-snip-

The racial minefields haven't kept him from having fun with heavily black audiences in South Carolina this week.

The Harvard Law School graduate sometimes playfully breaks into vernacular, which seems to amuse him and his audiences greatly.

"I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote," he told a crowd in Kingstree on Thursday. "I need you to get Ray-Ray to vote."

-snip-

After fielding questions from an audience of about 200, Bill Clinton called on a black man standing near the stage. The man said he was a pastor and told Clinton that "black America is voting for Obama because he's black." He said Democrats are in a dangerous position because if Obama wins the nomination, voters will elect a Republican in November. "They're not ready for a black president," he said.

Several black audience members nodded and said, "That's right."

"I have to tell you I hope you're not right," Clinton responded.

He said that despite the "mean things" said about him "in the Obama camp this week," he would support the Illinois senator if he is nominated.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080126/ap_on_el_pr/obama_race;_ylt=Ap4cA8iWx3XNIz4FsW1c36Ks0NUE

[kurth]

1. The charlatan at work

[Teaser]

6. oh good, I'm glad to see the Hilary camp is so mature

I was hoping you guys could sink as low as the Obama types. Congrats!

[jasmine621]

136. If Hillary had said, "Go grab 'Bubba' and get him to vote"

What would DUers and the MSM be saying about now?

[Cameron27]

2. I've never heard that before

what the hell does it mean?

"I need you to grab Cousin Pookie to vote," he told a crowd in Kingstree on Thursday. "I need you to get Ray-Ray to vote."

[journalist3072]

12. That's his sick way of trying to connect to the Black masses in SC....And it plays right into the

stereotypes that every Black person knows someone named Pookie or Ray-Ray.

And as a Black person, I know NO ONE named Pookie or Ray-Ray.

But that's the stereotype out there, and Obama played right into it.

[durrrty libby]

28. He probably thought he was being funny. Elitists talking down to the

common people often act that way

[Cameron27]

34. Thanks,

I didn't know if it was a general characterization about the south, or whether he was specifically targeting the AA community.

[MS Liberal]

56. Just as he disgraced Black America during the debate with the dance comment.

Obama is keeping sterotypes alive and killing hope with these type comments.

I am now and have always been a Hillary supporter. My main reason for choosing this white woman over this black man is because I value experience on the national level. I know about most of her skeltons; I know only of one of his. He is human, so there are more to come. For this reason, I no longer want him to be VP. I still want Edwards as Attorney General.

[Eric J in MN]

153. What dance comment? NT

NT

[in_cog_ni_to]

159. Tim Russert asked Barack how he felt about Bill Clinton being called the "First Black President" by

Maya Angelou. (I'm paraphrasing all of this, but it's the gist of what went down at the debate)

Barack didn't have a problem with that, but said he might have to challenge Bill to a dance contest to see if he's REALLY a "brother." :)

[Eric J in MN]

161. Thanks.

I guess he was trying to address a strange question with humor.

[in_cog_ni_to]

164. Yes and it was very funny.

Everyone laughed...even Hillary.:)

[EffieBlack]

163. I don't know a single person in "Black America" who was "disgraced" by that comment

He was poking fun at stereotypes. It was a joke. It was funny. And it was a wonderful light moment in a contentious debate.

Jeez.

[knowledgeispwr]

98. I've heard blacks and whites named/nicknamed "pookie" and "ray-ray"

and I live in North Carolina.

[goclark]

140. I am African American and it is not "playing " to anything

If we are talking to a gathering composed of African Americans that is exactly what we would say!

That is NOT using us, that is helping US to vividly relate to what he is saying.

"Cousin Ray-Ray" means the cousin that each one of us has that has either never voted before or is too busy running the streets to VOTE. "Ray-Ray" is not a name for a 50 year old cousin. Ray- Ray is a name used in the last 10 -15 years. It's more a modern day nick name.

Cousin "Pookie" means she is a nice sweet cousin that probably is about 60 years old (that name was popular then) that is so busy taking care of "Uncle John" that she hasn't taken the time to vote.

He is saying to that generation to go find a Care giver for "Pookie" so that she can VOTE period.

African Americans speak ENGLISH, but we also speak at least two other "languages" that are generational and that was what he was doing.

Sorry that I have to stop my post. I have to go and call my own cousin Pookie to see if I will need to pick her up to vote in the CA Primary. She takes care of her mom that has Dementia.

[robbedvoter]

3. Impersonating the Southern guy....he thinks he can't possibly be phony

[ellacott]

19. That impersonating the Southern guy?

How?

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Wow!

:wow:

[oviedodem]

5. Let us not forget the "southern drawl" Hillary somehow had

in Alabama some time ago.

ALL candidates play to a certain "mode" where there are. Bill in SC; I wonder why? Huckabee talking conferderate flag in the south and religion; I wonder why.

EVERY CANDIDATE panders to some extent.

[KennedyGuy]

9. Obama sounds like he's in church..gimme a break

[msongs]

72. running for president or High Priest? nt

[boston bean]

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[Nedsdag]

39. Well, she did!

What do you plan to do about it.

[ClericJohnPreston]

43. Think much?

Didn't think so......

[MethuenProgressive]

44. You do know that old Negro Sprituals were written in dialect, don't you?

You wanted her to change the words?

[Nedsdag]

70. Why did she have to read it like that?

It sounds like a parody.

[MethuenProgressive]

78. Why did she quote the lyric as sung?

Hello, stone.

[Nedsdag]

104. Maybe she shouldn't have mentioned it at all.

She knew she was going to get dissed, so why did she do it?

And by the way, take off the Richardson avatar, he's not in the race anymore. Put up your Hillary one instead.

[MethuenProgressive]

108. Her speech was welcomed with applause from the congregation. Who cares that FOX and you "diss" her?

You'd never even know about it if FOX hadn't instructed you to "think" what you "think".

[Name removed]

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[Zodiak]

51. Wow...get a grip.

There is no need for that.

(to the poster who replied....you are on my ignore list).

[MethuenProgressive]

109. I disagree, very accurate summation of the entire anti-Clinton spin on this issue.

:applause:

[RoveRage]

18. And some pander better than others. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

42. She was quoting lyrics from an old Negro Spiritual - you wanted her to change the words?

Silly Obama Supporter.

[1corona4u]

128. And let's not forget how both Obama and Oprah

spoke with more ebonics when they were in SC, than they did in Iowa. Go look at the videos. I found it disingenuous.

[CyberPieHole]

139. For a minute there it seemed Oprah would break into a Missy Elliot number and "get her hair-DID".

Obama and Oprah sure seemed to have pulled out their Ebonics Primer. I don't recall Oprah or Obama speaking like that in other situations. Could it be they are pandering to AA audiences...I mean voters...???

[1corona4u]

157. Exactly....that what I thought when I saw it....

along with WTF?!?

[Radical Activist]

A self hating black man.

Its sad that negativity among some black people could cost Obama the election. Even more sad that it came from a pastor. He doesn't help his community with that kind of hopelessness.

[journalist3072]

20. First of all, I am not a Black man. I'm a black woman. And you're telling me I'm self-hating just

because I refuse to support Obama?

Well, I'll tell you this: I vote for the person I think best represents my interests and values.

And I don't think Obama is that person.

Just because someone looks like me, doesn't mean they represent my interests or values. I don't engage in blind loyalty or group think, and I don't like being asked to do so by people like Barack and Michelle Obama and Tom Joyner.

[Radical Activist]

25. I read that you're a woman. My comment wasn't directed at you.

My comment was about the pastor in the article who thinks a black person can't get elected President.

[burythehatchet]

84. "I don't engage in blind loyalty or group think" - sheer comedy genius. n/t

[journalist3072]

88. How is that "sheer comedy genius?" I'm saying I'm not going to blindly follow behind the black

candidate- just because I'm Black.

I don't believe in voting for people just because they look like me, thank you.

[Name removed]

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[1corona4u]

130. And you should be commended for your decision.

I heard a black man on TV yesterday, refer to the blacks who are voting for Obama because of his race, as "racial pride voters". :eyes:

[journalist3072]

133. Sadly, that doesn't surprise me. I believe that sentiment is very previlent in my community right

now.

Tavis Smiley gave a commentary one day recently, in which he basically said that although "we" (and I didn't appreciate him including me in that "we") in the African-American community love Obama and celebrate what he has accomplished (which I don't), we need to hold him accountable.

The crux of Tavis Smiley's commentary was that after you've fallen in love, don't forget to hold the person accountable.

And some of my fellow Black brothers and sisters wrote nasty emails to Tavis, and angrily called into the Tom Joyner Show, just eviserating and slamming Tavis. They were outraged that he would suggest we hold Obama accountable. And they asked how much money was he being paid by the Clintons.

It was ugly.

And I was just really disappointed in my community. Since when did it become a bad thing, to hold people accountable, even our own?

[1corona4u]

135. The funny thing is...

a few years ago, I really liked Obama, and even told friends that I would like to see him as president one day, and would vote for him. BUT, when I said 'one day', I didn't mean this early on in his career. That was really my main issue with him. Now, I have a whole host of issues with him.

[journalist3072]

144. Same here...I'll admit I got caught up, after his speech at the 2004 DNC

I even typed up the words "audacity of hope" and taped it to my desk.

But then I had to ask myself: What exactly am I supposed to be hoping for? And what comes after the hope? How does that hope translate into policies?

Not to mention that I still have trouble with his voting to report Condi Rice's nomination out of the Foreign Relations Committee, to the full Senate.

And I have trouble with his NOT VOTING on whether to even hold a no-confidence vote against Alberto Gonzales.

Obama has just been a tremendous disappointment to me.

[sunonmars]

7. in case you hadnt noticed Obama does not have exclusive rights over AA voters

They can make up their own minds and theres a raging debate on this, a lot of AA voters want to elect a democrat this year but a lot do have reservations about a black man being elected president, thats their right to do so.

[KennedyGuy]

8. Its the "look at me I'm black" .."wait, don't call me black" strategy

[robbedvoter]

27. yet another classic! It's how the Clintons got to be guilty - nifty, non?

[Schema Thing]

10. Just who *did* let the dogs out?

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. He didn't mention le-le.

[Chovexani]

124. That's why you add "nem".

It's the Southern equivalent of the "-tachi" suffix in Japanese.

ie: Le-Le, Pookie'nem went to the store. :D

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. that would be called a joke

[journalist3072]

22. A "joke" which just happens to play into racial stereotypes...and the perception that

every Black person knows someone named Pookie or Ray-Ray.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. That's the stereotype? That people know people?

This is like falling all over yourself to complain about the "stereotype" that Italian mothers want you to eat more.

Oh, the vicious stereotype!

Gimme a break.

[robbedvoter]

people with certain kinds of names - yeah. I've seen South vs North threads on DU

started from much less. Going on for days.

[alcibiades_mystery]

147. I guess one can't account for generalized stupidity

South v. North threads on DU should hardly be the standard for reasonable objections...:-)

[THUNDER HANDS]

66. if people laugh with it

it's a joke.

[citizen snips]

142. Would it be a joke if Edwards or Clinton said that?

[cloudythescribbler]

15. oh please ...

[ecstatic]

16. I'm sure Obama was joking when he said that

Just like when he joked and said Bill's dancing abilities would need to be examined.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. The Hillarities pretend to lose all humor when Obama speaks

They catch the vapors and fake outrage over every joke.

A pack of more despicable liars is hard to imagine.

[robbedvoter]

32. Just like his joke on "John" was a groaner, this is too - if a joke indeed

It's hard to hit the right tone on this - particularly for someone trying to run as "colorblind"

[Ravy]

38. If she had responded "He sure likes watermelon and fried chicken", it would be a joke, too. Right?

It is unfortunate that stereotypes exist, and if either side promotes them, they will never go away.

[ecstatic]

68. No, that's different.

Only a black person, whose heart is in the right place, could get away with a racial stereotype joke. Clarence Thomas couldn't get away with it either, but Chris Rock would.

[Ravy]

107. Well, as a white male who can't dance all that well, and as the butt of that

joke, I think I will trust my own judgment whether Obama "got away with it" or not.

[Pirate Smile]

54. He and the crowd were laughing when he said it.

[robbedvoter]

65. until he hammed it out too ling with "...and John". Embarrassing silence ensued.

[Pirate Smile]

I was talking about the Pookie and Ray-Ray comment.

[ecstatic]

75. I didn't see that part. I wonder if it's on youtube? nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. As opposed to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLHxja43iY&feature=related

[oviedodem]

21. Hillary was worse in that it is DIRECT pandering and sounded

both contrived and phony.

But as usual Obama seemingly can do nothing right.

[hisownpetard]

53. Give me the barf bucket, NOW!

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. that was cringe-inducing

[Bonobo]

24. Hillary: "Ah don' feel no ways taahed..."

[MethuenProgressive]

110. She's quoting an old Negro spiritual. Why do you mock African American culture?

Have some respect.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

112. And Obama is tapping into AA vernacular and culture.

Why are you mocking it? :eyes:

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[MediaBabe]

29. I have a cousin Ray-Ray and I'm white

So is Ray-Ray. Should I call him up and tell him he's been stereotyped?

[knowledgeispwr]

58. I guess you should call him "Raymond-Raymond" instead.

My dad used to call my sister "pookie" and "pookins" as nicknames (I'm black in case it matters to any of y'all).

[jefferson_dem]

31. Aww.... I'm sure if he didn't make that totally innocuous comment you would have supported him too..

Your "outrage" is always over the topic.

[cooolandrew]

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[babylonsister]

37. Hey, I can feign outrage, too! Why wouldn't he want every last person

to get out and vote? Your blackness has nothing to do with it either. You just don't like the guy. We 'get' it. :eyes:

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. he is attempting to appeal to black voters--can you imagine if Clinton tried that with females?

She was vilifed early in the race for any mention of her gender. How unfair they cried, she is playing the gender card. And successfully shut down any mention of gender.

Race is different. When anyone questions Obama, there are suggestions of racism, yet Obama can USE his race and appeal to black voters, and that any question of that is met with more suggestions of racism.

Obama is using race.

[chascarrillo]

55. *Sniff*

Yeah, Clinton's tearing up wasn't an appeal to women.

Not to mention that you're gone headlong into racist commentary by saying that because Obama makes a comment regarding his ethnicity that it's somehow okay to use race against him. WTF???

[Evergreen Emerald]

62. look her tearing up was genuine.

She was up all week campaigning and had a hell of a time in the media that week with constant unfair attacks and someone said, how do you handle it. And she was moved that someone thought of her as a human rather than a punching bag.

And when Mitt cried THREE TIMES that week on TV, not one reporter mentioned it. Who is playing the gender card? Or who is looking for another reason to attack Clinton.

[incapsulated]

146. YOU BEAT ME TO IT

She would be fucking crucified.

[EFerrari]

41. For a journalist, you sure have a tin ear.

There's a difference between playing to stereotypes and playing with them.

[SoxFan]

45. Yawn

[wndycty]

46. So when a Black candidate speaks to Black audiences he is not supposed to get . . .

. . .comfortable? Jeeze. A lot of us Black folks do that. Get the fuck over it.

[EFerrari]

48. It was a joke.

"The Harvard Law School graduate sometimes playfully breaks into vernacular, which seems to amuse him and his audiences greatly."

[Seen the light]

47. Those are SOUTHERN stereotypes, not BLACK ones

I'm from right across the line in NC and I (sadly) know plenty of WHITES that have the nicknames of Pookie or Ray-Ray or names similar to them.

[knowledgeispwr]

63. I have to agree...

I'm also in NC and I have heard of blacks and whites called "ray-ray," "pookie" and a variant, "pookins."

[KoKo]

96. I wonder if Hillary had urged folks to bring "Jim Bob, Billy Ray or Bubba" to the polls

how that would go over in SC. Part of the Southern Strategy worked because for decades movies made fun of the Southern Poor...."white trash, hillbillies, police who chewed and spit tobacca, uneducated and racist..." Not, that there's not some truth in sterotypes...but it's a sore point with Southerners and I would imagine there are many blacks who would take offense to what Obama is saying. Particularly the new professionals ...just as there are a few liberal Southerners in SC who've tried to live down the "Jim Bob, Billy Ray, Bubba."

I know people say when you "talk to your own group" you can tend to slip into lingo that you wouldn't use in work situations or other places....but Obama is running for President. He should know that anything he says will be heard everywhere. :shrug:

Sad...that this stuff is going on..dirty politics. But, it seems to win elections..according to studies.

[goodhue]

49. "Sense of humor" meet "Clinton supporter"

Obama was kidding around

[EFerrari]

74. No kidding. Look at all the humorlessness on this thread.

All by itself, **that's** funny!

Oh, this elitist is playing to stereotypes and talking down and right in front of the media! The horror!

lol

[mondo joe]

50. Bad news for Obama: Cousin Pookie is a big pissed off gay man who says he's not

voting for any pal of McClurkin.

[cali]

77. LOL! But you're voting for HIlly

and she and Bill shared a stage with him and actually have even more homophobes for supporters. How interesting. How inconsistent.

[mondo joe]

86. Cali, do you realy think sharing a stage at someone else's invitation is

comparable to giving him a free platform at your rally to spew anti-gay shit, and then working with equally homophobic Kirbyjohn?

I don't.

[Yael]

52. I am sure it was meant as a joke, but in print it is disgusting

[cali]

57. why?

Are "pookie" and "ray-ray" offensive somehow? are they even specifically AA names?

[knowledgeispwr]

60. I don't think so...

I'm from NC and I've heard blacks and whites with those names or nicknames, including in my family ("pookie" and "pookins" in my family).

[EFerrari]

59. Mission Accomplished. n/t

[Window]

61. Personally, I like what he said...

and from what I read, the audience didn't seem to mind either when he added a little levity.

You just don't like him, (I've read some of your other posts) so don't vote for him.

This sister, my cousin Pookie and Ray-Ray will vote as we choose. ...and yes, I have a cousin Pookie and Ray-Ray, LOL!



Peace:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

67. Obama has a great sense of humor and his audiences connect with it.

That's one of the things I like about him.

[Window]

134. Exactly, sfexpat2000.

I wish some of these people will lighten up. All of this damned nit-pickin' is a PIA.


Peace:thumbsup:

[Maribelle]

64. Of course Pooky is a black stereotype. It means a lazy good-for-nothing black person.

Had Hillary said the exact same thing all hell would have broken loose.

And Obama's continued use of this Pooky crap, merely shows off he is ready willing and able to play the race card by pulling out the stops on racial stereotypes, brazenly before the eyes of MSM, the nation, the world. This double standard is sad.

[knowledgeispwr]

69. That's not true...

"pooky" is a nickname used by blacks and whites to describe blacks and whites, this coming from a black North Carolinian.

[Maribelle]

90. I argue that black vernacular in Alabama uses Pooky as the stereotypical lazy one.

And I am telling you for a positive fact that when Obama uses Pooky in Alabama it conjurs up the image of the lazy black man - - hence the statement in the OP

[knowledgeispwr]

102. Well I guess it just goes to show you that black vernacular isn't universal

Thanks for sharing about Alabama!

:hi:

[cali]

71. Surprise, surprise. That looks to be FALSE

I just did a search. Did I find anything to confirm what you claim? Fuck no. Of course not. But then it's YOU.

[Clinton Crusader]

81. "Of course Pooky is a black stereotype. It means a lazy good-for-nothing black person"

Crikey, is that true? I have a black male cat named Pookie! NO LIE, seriously!

[Maribelle]

93. Well, that's the mild version. It also means the black male bed hopper that does nothing else.

But in the deep south it is more just the lazy, rather then the bed hopper.

[Clinton Crusader]

156. He's fixed, so he ain't doin' much bed hoppin', lol. thx. n/t

[Scurrilous]

95. Pooky is Garfield's teddy bear.

Jim Davis is a racist!

:sarcasm:

[Maribelle]

101. That depends on how old the teddy bear is.

A lot of the black vernacular has added new words in recent decades.

[FirstLight]

73. Coming from a predominately black inner city...

and being a white woman..

can I ask what any of this has to do with helping those in need?

and how is a black man who went to Harvard in touch with poor blacks in the south? or poor anyone for that matter?

not trying to be rude, but it makes me wonder?

[EFerrari]

79. What does getting out the vote have to do with helping people in need?

And, how does having an education preclude empathy or communication? What? I guess I have to tell my homeless friends we have to break up because I went to grad school? :wtf:

[ecstatic]

80. Obama wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth nt

[cali]

82. How is he in touch? Allow me to educate you. Obama worked

for years as a community organizer in the inner city. He then went to law school and practiced as a civil rights attny for several more years. Think that might give him a clue? And what the hell does going to Harvard have to do with it? Are you actually fucking suggesting that going to Harvard Law means you can't possibly understand the lives of people in poverty? Ridiculous. Furthermore, Obama did NOT grow up in a wealthy family at all. He went to Punahao on a scholarship and through Columbia and Harvard with scholarships and student loans.

Now you know better.

[Infinite Hope]

76. Yeah, I've noticed that a couple times on the campaign, especially in the last debate. n/t

[polichick]

83. Get out of here - he said THAT?!?

Guess he's only colorless when it works for him.

[cali]

85. since when are "pookie" and "ray ray" racially identified?

Do a google search and grab a clue.

[polichick]

89. Spend some time in the South...

There's no bigger or more clueless blowhard on this board than you.

[cali]

92. coming from

someone whose ignorance is only exceeded by her self-righteous nonsense, and who's endless banalities are legion, that's laughable. What a joke you are. And prove it, cupcake. Because there is jackshit to back up that claim. But then again you wouldn't know evidence if it kicked you hard in the ass.

[polichick]

97. oooh, touched a nerve ...

It's not my fault you know so little about the South that you have to rely on a google search for such basic info.

[boston bean]

99. Don't let her get you down. I take it as a badge of courage. She's called me cupcake at 20 times.

You know you're right when she calls you cupcake>.

[polichick]

103. Every board has one like cali...

I find them amusing ~ and you're so right; using condescending terms like that is a dead giveaway. :toast:

[rucky]

87. Dasani and Aquafina, too. n/t

[LizW]

91. Of course those are stereotype names

Big deal. Obama can use those names because he's a black man. If Hillary said them, of course hell would break loose because she's white.

That's the way it is.

Obama is saying for young black people to get their young black friends and relatives out to vote for him. In what universe is that a bad thing?

[cali]

94. There's no evidence that those are stereotype names- not in this thread

and I can't find any evidence on the web whatsoever that those are racially identified names.

[LizW]

100. Except that they ARE

But it's okay, Cali. Obama used those names in a way that is completely acceptable. I'm sure his audience GOT IT.

Have a cup of tea and calm down.

[EFerrari]

126. In HillaryWorld. n/t

[Cameron27]

105. FWIW

I googled for some answers and found an interesting article on the subject:

"Who is Obama’s ‘Cousin Pookie’?"

snip: "The Obama campaign didn’t respond to requests for details. But Newhouse News Service asked some of America’s best minds on black culture, language and politics.

In their interviews and e-mails, Pookie emerges as a stock character of the black popular imagination, a name that has come to personify the kind of layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation to his more successful relations. And, it turns out, in his use of Pookie, Obama reveals something about himself."

http://thehnic.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/who-is-obamas-cousin-pookie/

[ecstatic]

111. Interesting. It's a fairly common reference. You can't go to a comedy

show or watch a televised black event, or even go to church, without hearing at least one reference to these imaginary (or sometimes real) characters. Oh, and it's harmless. The "experts" in the article are over thinking things, as usual.

[Cameron27]

115. I 've never heard it used before,

& I watch a lot of comedy shows. Honestly, as a white woman, I'm in no position to judge whether it's harmless or not but I think it's an interesting subject.

[MoonRiver]

116. The question is WHY did he use that term.

Could it be, gasp, that he was "playing the race card?" NOOOOO, say it ain't so. :wow:

[EFerrari]

125. He was making fun of the "race" card.

:wow:

[MethuenProgressive]

114. "it turns out, in his use of Pookie, Obama reveals something about himself." Wow...

"Who is Obama’s ‘Cousin Pookie’?"

snip: "The Obama campaign didn’t respond to requests for details. But Newhouse News Service asked some of America’s best minds on black culture, language and politics.

In their interviews and e-mails, Pookie emerges as a stock character of the black popular imagination, a name that has come to personify the kind of layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation to his more successful relations. And, it turns out, in his use of Pookie, Obama reveals something about himself."

:popcorn:

http://thehnic.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/who-is-obamas-cousin-pookie/

[Cameron27]

118. To be fair,

that paragraph just opens the discussion. He's taken a lot of opinions and not all of them reach the same conclusion.

[MethuenProgressive]

123. Yup, you're very right, and are being quite fair.

I've inclusded a link to the whole thing in my response.

[goldcanyonaz]

119. Just posted an OP on this. " Can Pookie (& Nay-Nay) Get Some Love?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4210142

[Cameron27]

121. Thanks, I didn't see your thread,

but there are certainly a lot of opinions about this.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

117. Lighten up !

[Chovexani]

122. Oh come on now

God help me for defending Obama, 'cause I generally can't stand him, but if you reached any farther you'd dislocate your shoulder. I have a little cousin Ray-Ray. In South Carolina no less. He's a fucking genius and will be interning for NASA when he gets out of school, btw.

I don't think Obama's the one that's out of touch.

[senseandsensibility]

127. Those names sound like my white southern relatives' names

to me.:shrug: Maybe he's trying to reach out to whites.

[robbedvoter]

132. Or pretend he's from the South

[CyberPieHole]

141. Is Obama from Southern~Hawaii? n/t

[forsberg]

131. What the hell is "pookie" and "ray ray"

I haven't heard of anybody naming their children pookie and ray ray

[Honeycombe8]

137. "Pookie" is a term of endearment. "Sweetie," "honey," "sugarpop," etc.

Have you never heard of the term? You can't be THAT ignorant, can you?

Here's a tip: Watch the movie Victor, Victoria. The Leslie Warren character calls James Garner "Pookie." It's a term of endearment.

[MethuenProgressive]

138. A "kind of layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation"

"Who is Obama’s ‘Cousin Pookie’?"

snip: "The Obama campaign didn’t respond to requests for details. But Newhouse News Service asked some of America’s best minds on black culture, language and politics.

In their interviews and e-mails, Pookie emerges as a stock character of the black popular imagination, a name that has come to personify the kind of layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation to his more successful relations. And, it turns out, in his use of Pookie, Obama reveals something about himself."
http://thehnic.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/who-is-obamas-cousin-pookie/

[robbedvoter]

145. ***W.O.R.M. ALERT! W.O.R.M. ALERT!W.O.R.M. ALERT!******(on many answers)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4194873&mesg_id=4194873

[angie_love]

148. please

Oh fucking please. Billary marginalizes Obama as the "black" candidate and you're upset about this? Wow, your priorities are all wrong missy. I'm not even black and I'm angered about Billary using race to take down Obama. You should be too. Are you really black?

[girl_interrupted]

149. Take away Race and what else has he got?

I'm sorry but what else has Obama got? This is a guy who beat Alan Keyes, who couldn't beat Alan Keyes, for God's sake? He wants to transcend "race" until it comes to an election. What is so ironic about this, is that Harlem is going through a renovation thanks to funds given by the Clinton Administration and private funds from the Clinton foundation.

I wasn't sure about Obama, after his vote confirming Condi Rice. But like most democrats I want to win this thing after 7 sickening years. But that business with Reagan...and not just the "transforming" issue...but the fact "Neither did Bill Clinton"....Clinton had to clean up the Reagan/Bush mess. Does Obama not think that Clinton being relected twice meant Republicans also voted for him? Obama went after Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton is returning the favor. Obama brought it on himself.

Obama had Oprah? Hillary had Bill. Poor Edwards.

If Obama wanted a president who transformed or caused people of different parties to vote for him...he should have said FDR, elected 4 times...and what seems to just "amaze" Obama suppporters.....FDR also won a landslide.


Yeah and I can just see Reagan giving a dime to help Harlem. Sure. Right. And Obama wasnt using Oprah, as a race card either. Course not...Oprah who couldnt get off her ass to help in the 2004 elections. Afterall her contribution was to give us Dr Phil. How can we not worship her? Where were these 2 during Katrina?

And I'm sorry Hillary Clinton isnt a Laura Bush type 1st Lady...if you think for one minute she wasn't involved in everything that went on in the White House, you're dreaming.

What a downer to come here and see Bill Clinton bashed...the only democrat who has successfully kicked ass and won against Republicans. You can do better? Do it, already.

I won't have to hold my nose to vote for Obama, I'll have to put on a gas mask.

[Andromeda]

162. Prove to me that Hillary played

the race card. I want to see proof that she invoked race into this election.

Put your money where your mouth is by providing me links to statements she made to "take down Obama."

I hear this and I wonder what the hell you and others like you are talking about when you say Hillary used the race card.

[H2O Man]

150. Sad.

This is a sad OP.

[MoJoWorkin]

151. You are WAY off base. I saw Obama give a speech when he was running for IL senate

years ago at a rural downstate farm in Macoupin CO , where there were close to 100% white people in attendance, and he talked about getting Pookie to the polls. That is who he is---it is NOT used in racial terms. People in the audience got what he meant then--get your family members who talk, but don't usually go vote, out to vote this time.

I am a white 62 year old Missouri woman who will NEVER vote for a Clinton again after the dirty tricks they have pulled on Obama. (I voted for BIll twice and have worked for Dems all my life-- starting when I was 15 years old and walked door to door for John F Kennedy. The response I got from so-called Christian white people then, because Kennedy was Catholic, reminds me of what is going on today--gullibility on the part of the electorate because of ignorance and unreasoned fear of those who are different.)


The Clintons and their supporters have been unbelievably nasty by playing on that fear and distorting anything and everything for their gain. I am tired of the Clinton lust for power. Maybe they used to care about people, I don't know, but they SURE don't now--- they care only about themselves. I have decided that if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote for President, for the first time in my life. She is not the lesser of evils anymore. She is equal to the Repugs. There is no difference between Clinton and Bush/Rove.

I am ready for the younger generation to find their voice and take their place in the world. I think that voice is Obama, and I am all for giving him a chance to take us ALL forward.

[CyberPieHole]

155. "Take us ALL forward"??? You mean everyone EXCEPT the LGBTQ community...

Obama has been pandering to the anti~gay bible thumpers like Donnie McClurkin. I won't EVER vote for Obama. I'll just leave that part of the ballot blank. A vote for Obama is a vote for anti~gay bigots everywhere.

[Andromeda]

160. Obama has been manipulating

the media and the rest of America for so long he has convinced some that Hillary and Bill brought up the race card and that he's the "victim" of racial bigotry.

Obama, himself, started this race card sideshow. It was intentional and blatant and the only reason the media has gone along with it is because of their hatred of the Clintons.

CNN is actively campaigning for Obama and it's shameful.

[BringBigDogBack]

152. He said this back in January of last YEAR

when I saw him in Austin... Hows is this newsworthy, much less postworthy?

[Bluebear]

154. So you're saying he didn't say it today?

Just asking

[WyldRogue]

158. It's a sad state to see the Dems...

...so divided (thanx to Rovian tactics by ALL parties (Dem and GOP)) that now voters are gonna vote based NOT on experience but RACE instead. So far from what I gather, Obama WILL get the majority of the black vote because of why else?? He's now the BLACK candidate. Ignore the fact that he's been wishy washy concerning critical votes or the fact he's only been in the Senate for 3 years..... Oprah sure did a good job promoting the 'agenda' huh?

And I am willing to bet that more black voters will vote THIS time around. If they had voted before, maybe the Shrub would not have had the office twice... shame.

Well people, you vote and you get what you deserve if he indeed turns out to be the closet Republican I and quite a few other suspect he really is.