another done with Hillary...

[backwoodsbob]

was leaning Edwards anyways but after the last few days reading here seeing the disgusting attitude of SOME HRC fans I'm gonna sit this out if Obama doesn't win.

Don't bother telling me how I'm sitting a repug if I dont vote because we are on the verge of sitting the dirtiest campaigner I've ever seen as ours.

SCREW HRC!

I'll vote third party if she is the nominee.
HOW do you supporters back this shit her SUPPORTERS spew?

[Nimrod2005]

1. I am with you

[TheDeathadder]

4. so should the HRC people sit out

If Obama wins? This isn't High School, and as much as I am for HRC 100%, I'm not going to sit home if Obama wins. Obama and Clinton are alot closer than the Dems and the Repubs are. I thought you Obama people were about "Unity" yet threaten to divide if your guy doesn't win. C'mon. This can't be a serious post is it?

[AtomicKitten]

104. sadly me too

[Big Blue Marble]

2. You are courageous.

I am with you on the sitting this one out thing if she is nominated.
Just can't do it this time.

[CoffeeCat]

97. i will not vote for Hillary either...

If she is our nominee, that it is a sad, disgusting day for our
party.

People get angry and accuse people like me of ensuring a Republican
victory. In my opinion, Hillary and her ham-handed, revolting, win-at
all-costs mentality--and her supporters who rationalize her Nixonian
games and dishonesty---are the ones destroying our party.

Those are the people who are ensuring a Republican victory.

You can't serve me up a bowl of shit, and then get angry when I
won't eat it.

[DJ13]

3. I am with you also

In fact, if Hillary is the nominee and Bloomberg runs third party I will likely work towards him winning in November.

No more Clintons or Bushs!

[Meshuga]

5. I will vote for her in GE if she wins the nomination

It is either HRC or having to deal with another republican in the white house. I will make the effort to go vote for her.

[dkf]

34. What if Al Gore goes third party?

Would you vote for Clinton because she is the "DEM" vs. Al Gore?

[Meshuga]

48. It wouldn't happen

If Gore wanted to stop Hillary he'd be in the race for the nomination.

But if fantasy came true and Gore ran as a third party candidate, I would vote for him over Hillary if he had a chance to win. But he wouldn't run for president and split the democratic vote to hand the vitory to the republican candidate. There is no chance of that.

[Blarch]

6. I support you

We didn't leave Hillary, she left us ...and then asked us to compromise our most cherished principles.

Not a fucking chance in hell.

[Change has come]

99. That sounds like a talking point.

Color me surprised :hi:

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

12. Geeze, 1/2 of the people on your list no longer soil my forum here.....

It is relatively peaceful as I type this.....

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

8. Do you have anything past a 6th grade education?

What sort of logic is this? You refuse to vote for her NOT because of her policies, positions, voting record, general demeanor, gender, cackling, etc. You won't vote for her because of anonymous dipshits posting on a little public forum?

That's fucking genius.

I'm no fan of Clinton and will not vote for her, but I can list all sorts of reasons.

[mtnsnake]

17. No kidding. This guy won't vote for her because of her supporters. Wow, how brilliant.

I can't believe the reasoning of some of these people.

[dkf]

23. He's not voting for Hillary because of Hillary and her tactics

AND he can't understand how Hillary supporters can live with their conscience.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

32. That's not what his post indicates.

And I'm afraid his OP is probably closer to the truth.

You may be giving your reason here and transferring it onto the OP. And I've no problem with the reason you've provided, though I find decisions about whom to support based on how a campaign is run versus the positions of the candidates a bit shallow. But that's just me.

[mtnsnake]

36. No it doesn't. nt

[mtnsnake]

33. "seeing the disgusting attitude of SOME HRC fans I'm gonna sit this out if Obama doesn't win"

It's right there in plain English. If Obama doesn't win, he's gonna sit the election out because of "the disgusting attitude of SOME of HRC's fans".

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. ...

:applause:

[babylonsister]

44. Can you respond with anything besides disdain and rudeness?

Now someone's opinion can't be expressed, in whatever way someone chooses? I didn't know we had education nazis on DU.:eyes:

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

52. My question was somewhat honest.

Perhaps the OP doesn't have an education past the 6th grade. It would explain the illogic of his post.

Of course someone's opinion can be expressed in whatever way he or she chooses--be it illogically or disdainfully. :evilgrin:

Not sure what an education Nazi is. Perhaps you could explain. I mean, I know what education is. I know what a Nazi is. I'm just not too sure how the two go together, nor am I quite too clear about how my post could be construed as participating in some sort of Nazi-like rhetoric. But I've been wrong before.

[rufus dog]

87. don't the facts show that Clinton supporters are the lower educated?

Just saying before throwing out slams you might want to consider the blow back.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. Crap, we're running out of goody baskets. Better grap yours now.

[Bonobo]

10. Don't do it because of her supporters. That doesn't make a drop of sense. nt

[AtomicKitten]

11. I feel your pain.

[Blarch]

14. LOL

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

37. ;)

[CindyKay]

80. I Wonder

Where has that Finger been the Past 7 Years & What Has He Been Doing with it??
I Am Sure if Hillary wins the nomination the RepubliKKKons will Tell Us exactly Where?
Get Ready Everyone.

[mondo joe]

13. Every nation gets the government it deserves. NT

[robbedvoter]

15. You don't sound you were with her before - so. what's the point of this?

How about "Another DU-er who hates Hillary" - to be more honest

[Perry Logan]

16. Since the accusations are all bullshit, I'm cool.

The accusations of dirty politics get debunked every time they appear. I'm a witness.

But the anti-Clinton folks have the debunkers on ignore...so they just go on repeating their dirty little memes. They're a strange tribe, the Clinton-haters.

[mtnsnake]

18. Thank god hardly anyone else lets Hillary's "fans" decide their vote for them like you do.

What a whiney assed reason not to vote for someone....because you don't like Hillary's fans. That's precious!!

[UALRBSofL]

27. Sad, Very Sad

I'm not quite sure the rational behind this thread. If Hillary is the nominee "I wont vote" or "I'll vote third party" Interesting. This kind of thinking gives a new meaning to the phrase, "4 more years of republicans".

I, on the other hand will be voting for Hillary but if Barack is the nominee I'll be voting for him.

[jlake]

19. Take your toys and go home.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[bobbolink]

26. that's exactly what a lot of us are doing. Then you're bitch and moan

about how so many didn't vote.

Talk about :crazy:

[jlake]

28. It's not a recommendation, it's snark at the attitude....

[bobbolink]

35. Your innocent little "snark" is part of what's driving people away.

But, I'm sure you're having fun with it.

[Name removed]

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[bobbolink]

50. You are aware, of course, that calling DU posters "disruptors", "freepers", etc. is against rules?

[jlake]

54. Yes. But if you read the person who I am talking abouts posts, it is pretty clear.

[bobbolink]

56. One more time... YOU are breaking the rules.... would you like to recant?

While there's time?

[jlake]

57. Nah, I can handle a deleted post. I am clearly right.

[mondo joe]

61. The inquisition calls for you to recant!

[bobbolink]

64. Just the sort of thumb-your-nose-attitude that has endeared us to sHillary.

[mtnsnake]

59. Are you aware that it's against DU rules to advocate not voting for the Democratic nominee

like what you're doing...even if that Democratic candidate happens to be the evil, despised on DU, Hillary Clinton?

[bobbolink]

65. I wasn't aware that she was the nominee. When did that happen?

[mtnsnake]

71. I didn't say she was the nominee yet, and I didn't say it happened

I said "even if that Democratic candidate happens to be the evil, despised on DU, Hillary Clinton".

But you said you're not going to vote for her IF she's the nominee because you don't like the attitude of some of her fans. Now, if that's not advocating for people not to vote for our nominee, if it's her, then I don't know what is, especially since you made it the only message of your OP.

[Steely_Dan]

79. Geeze...Is That Pic...

large enough? I can see his pores.

-P

[rufus dog]

91. jlake - you may want to reconsider your prejudiced views.

People like me were never going to vote for CLINTON! Any other DEM candidate was O.K. with me. You may want to consider why someone wouldn't vote for Clinton and why many more are coming to the same conclusion. I will give you a hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with sex. (Hers or his illicit)

[11 Bravo]

63. If a little snark is all that's required to disenfranchise you ...

maybe we're all better off if you don't vote.

[bobbolink]

92. I'm collecting all these posts telling people not to vote.

When the turnout is not as you wished, then we can accuse you of Nadering...right?

Because that's exactly what you're doing.

Telling people not to vote.... how... Democratic of you.

:puke:

[11 Bravo]

94. Oh, shit! You're collecting posts? You're not gonna give them to the principal are you?

By the way, YOU stated that you had been "driven away" from voting. I responded that if you were so easily driven, perhaps your vote shouldn't be missed. Only a truly skewed view of reality could perceive that as me telling you not to vote. Oh, wait ... truly skewed view of reality ... never mind.

[bobbolink]

102. I'm not the only one saying my party has left me.

If you're not interested in listening to what people have to say about the party, and that includes independents, then forget about that whole "get out the vote drive", eh?

You can't have it both ways.

[2rth2pwr]

98. Hey bobbo, don't vote, Ok? Got it? I do not want to see you voting this time around.

Is that all it takes? Sheeeesh, talk about wimps.

[bobbolink]

103. Calling people names will sure strengthen the party, now, won't it?

You haven't noticed all the posts telling people "we don't need your vote"?

Where have you been?

Kinda defeats all the efforts at "getting out the vote", doesn't it?

[2rth2pwr]

106. I've seen them, ..who cares? If you can't handle the back and forth of

democracy, you need to hang back or you'll get your feelings hurt.

[bobbolink]

108. THank you so very much for the kind invitation to leave.

That's what makes this democracy so sppeeeeciiiiallll....

[mondo joe]

49. A few less votes is a small price to pay to decrease the whine volume.

[Perky]

21. An an Obama supporter I am happy you are moving away for the Clinitons but

I do not think you qhould blame Hillary for the disgusting and occasionally imbecilic things said by her supporters unless they are part of her campaign and she has some control over them.

[Barack_America]

22. It would be hard for me to vote for her at this point...

I might even officially change my affiliation to "independent"

I don't know. It's so disheartening.

[jefferson_dem]

24. Right on!

Dems should reject the slimy slash and burn politics of ClintonInc.

[mtnsnake]

47. Why am I not surprised that you would condone not voting Democratic because of someone's supporters

[jefferson_dem]

62. Wha? Read it again, snake.

"Dems should reject the slimy slash and burn politics of ClintonInc."

[mtnsnake]

66. Usually when someone says, "Right on!" it means they agree with the post they're replying to

I apologize if I got it wrong, but I still don't think that there is any valid reason that anyone should advocate that we don't vote for the Democratic nominee. Whoever wins the nomination whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards, will win it for a reason, that reason being that most Democrats in the country wanted it that way. I'm willing to live with that result no matter which or our candidates wins.

[jefferson_dem]

68. Actually, you are more right than I was.

I was giving a "right on" to the idea of being done with Hillary.

I do not (necessarily) support Dems going third party in November. Not yet...at lest.

[creeksneakers2]

25. The Hillary supporters are very nice

Its the others who are mean.

[TwilightGardener]

42. ...

:rofl: Oh wait...was that sincere? :rofl:

[L0oniX]

105. LOL

[Beacool]

29. So, let me get this straight, you refuse to vote for Hillary

if she's our nominee because of comments made by some of her supporters in DU??????????????????

Geez, if that's the rationale for choosing a candidate, then I would rather run across I-95 at rush hour than vote for Obama!!!

Please.............


:crazy:

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. It's her supporters: they're scumbags but we can't be children about it

You have to vote for HRC if she's the nominee.

It's true that **SOME** of her supporters on this site are truly the most despicable people on the internets, and one nearly pukes thinking of being on the same side as the fuckwits, but you must do it. We can't lose again behind apathy and third party nonsenses.

[dkf]

31. Third party sounds good. I would love to draft Gore.

That is my dream :)

[Name removed]

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[jlake]

43. Yep.

[TwilightGardener]

39. I don't care about a candidates' supporters--that means nothing

to me in terms of choosing a candidate, and I'm baffled that anyone is swayed by the anonymous rantings of .0000000001% of the voting population. However, I don't know what I'm going to do yet in November, if she's the nominee. Hopefully my negative feelings about the primaries and about her will have evaporated--I would rather not see her lose to an R, but not sure I'll bother to head down to the polls. We'll see. I might feel differently in the future.

[Samantha]

40. That is indeed the question

If one supports a candidate that shows shades of Rovian tactics, exactly how does one overlook that? Mark Penn is her Karl Rove, and it appears he too has no problem crossing the line. Anything for the win. And remember in 2000, that was the Republican battle cry as the Florida recount debacle unraveled, "win at all costs." There have been several comments in the last 2 days that that in is fact the Clintons' MO. It's okay to muddy your reputation while trying to capture the win; when the smoke clears you can rebuild. I do not buy that. Some of these maneuver will leave scars.

And here's the scarier question. After we saw the tactics used in 2000 to win the race, what if those tactics rear their ugly head on the Republican side as the decision is made in November, and WHOA, buddy, they are met with like tactics on the Democratic side. We have looked into the Republican abysses, and now it looks back at us. If we do not stake out our position that these tactics will not be tolerated by our party now, the whole process will sink into a low lower than 2000, and there might be ... well, you can take it from there, I am sure.

Sam

[Endangered Specie]

45. The hillary supporters aren't nearly as disgusting as the Obama ones...

[paulk]

46. amazing how many new members we have who are going to

"sit this one out" if Hillary is the nominee...

[ChiciB1]

51. Living In Florida... Just Voted In The "Sorta Primary" For Edwards... BUT

WILL sit out if either Clinton or Obama are the nominee! I know it's not popular, and I would do a write-in, but here in my county we still have "those machines" and as far as I know, we can't write in. I guess I can check "other," but not sure. This county is weird!

[Auntie Bush]

53. Well you are either blind, haven't been around long or aren't thinking.

Don't tell me you have paid attention to this board and turned against Hillary for all the Obama bashing. Seems to me most all the post here are Obama supporters making up slime about Hillary. Go back and read the posts and count...that's all you have to do...there is no doubt about it. Also I've noticed the majority of Hillary supporters spend most their time defending Hillary against lies rather than spending their time bad mouthing Obama. Maybe some Hillarites are finally fighting back. You're NOT being OBJECTIVE.

[Loge23]

55. Support Edwards

It's our last chance to turn the country around.
Both Obama & Hillary are pandering for conservative votes.
Conservatives suck - they're the assholes who got us in this mess.

[bobbolink]

58. Yup, we need a David, not more Goliath wannabees!

[Auntie Bush]

83. Isn't that an old picture of Edwards?

I thought he got rid of that mole on his lip awhile back. I also don't think it's a very flattering picture. He is MUCH better looking!

[BringBigDogBack]

60. we're with you bobby

you aren't alone. :dem: 5 in my immediate family share this feeling.

It basically comes down to a trust issue.

[UALRBSofL]

73. What Do I Think

Reading the DU boards tends to make me think my prediction of 4 more years of a republican is inevitable. If Barack supporters wont support Hillary and if Hillary supporters wont support Barack in the general election then we are doomed to lose come november. For the record I don't believe Hillary or Barack could be near as bad as any of the republican candidates so I'm going to do the responsible thing and vote democrat in the general election.

[mtnsnake]

78. Don't let this worry you too much

The opinions of DU do not reflect how mainstream Democratic America feels in the least.

BTW, I don't know of any Hillary supporters who are going to refuse to vote for ANY candidate that Democrats nominate. I've only heard the Hillary naysayers on this forum say anything to that effect. This is the Anti-Clinton Undergound, donchya know?

[BringBigDogBack]

82. Sorry.

Can't support someone I don't trust. Damn what party they're from, if they can't be trusted.

[emilyg]

67. "Bye-bye."

[mzmolly]

69. Imagine that! Another "new" poster gonna sit out the election when HRC is the nominee?

:freak:

[bobbolink]

70. Have you considered that it might be in the best interest of the party to LISTEN

and take seriously the feedback you are getting?

[mondo joe]

72. The party should listen to anonymous new posters rather than its own membership?

How odd.

[goldcanyonaz]

75. This board is not a reflection of the real world. If it were Edwards would be winning.

I will support Edwards or Obama if they are the nominee.

[mondo joe]

81. Edwards? Heck - if DU reflected the real world or even the Democratic party Kucinich

would already be in office. ;-)

[bobbolink]

88. That's not what I was getting at.

[mzmolly]

84. Nope. I consider this as a position of ignorance which is akin to a "tantrum."

"I'm going to hold my breath if I don't get the candy, wahhhh!!!"



These tactics are ridiculous, ineffective nonsense. Imagine if we had such an influx of "anti-Edwards" BS here on a daily basis?

BTW, I support John Edwards and I, like Mr. Edwards, I will support the nominee.

[bobbolink]

89. Great way to slap your fellow dems across the face.

Then you wonder why the party is as weak as it is.

Good golly, mz molly, you sure know rude!

[MH1]

85. Listening is not the strong suit

Of certain factions in the dem party.

[bobbolink]

90. Unfortunately, you're right, and the party suffers because of it.

Just looking at some of the responses shows that the party will have to suffer more before things improve.

:(

[Tom Strong]

74. and another TWO to take his place...

I'm one of 'em, that's fer sure.

[goldcanyonaz]

77. Thanks for getting on board.

:hug:

[oviedodem]

76. I am with you If Obama, Edwards, Bloomberg, or Gore

are not there in some capacity for the GE, I will write in a name or leave it blank.

It's not this board because a year and a half ago I was a staunch Clinton supporter. But her tactics along with the fact that I am not sure if it is her or Bill running, AND her polarizing presence have killed her for me.

[awaysidetraveler]

86. Yep, that's exactly how I feel about Hillary--if her supporters are so adamant about wanting a liar,

then they can't have my vote. Anyway, who knows how long she'd keep us in this stupid, stupid war.

[L0oniX]

107. Americans have no problem with lies ...obviously.

Everyone lies. Our government lies. TV commercials lie and deceive. This country is all about deception and lies. I hate lies and liars!

[WyldRogue]

93. It's a sad state to see the Dems...

...so divided (thanx to Rovian tactics by ALL parties (Dem and GOP)) that now voters are gonna vote based NOT on experience but RACE instead. So far from what I gather, Obama WILL get the majority of the black vote because of why else?? He's now the BLACK candidate. Ignore the fact that he's been wishy washy concerning critical votes or the fact he's only been in the Senate for 3 years..... Oprah sure did a good job promoting the 'agenda' huh?

And I am willing to bet that more black voters will vote THIS time around. If they had voted before, maybe the Shrub would not have had the office twice... shame.

Well people, you vote and you get what you deserve if he indeed turns out to be the closet Republican I and quite a few other suspect he really is.

And now the Obamites are making a stand:

"If Obama doesn't get the Nomination, they will not vote"

Now how un-Democratic is that?? Cult-like attitudes being shown. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

I see plenty of Hillary and Edwards fans stating that if Obama gets the nod, he'll have their votes.

You Obama people need to grow the f*ck up!

To the author of this post, may as well tear up your VRC (Voter's Registration Card) because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to handle this election year. Obama WILL have HIS time but not now.

[Tulkas]

95. Welcome

To the future

[caligirl]

96. Du is a completely different place from what it was in 04-05. Its aweful what HRC and

her hubby are doing. The best thing to do is not vote for them in the primary. I am switching to Obama after Edwards third place finish tonight. I have never seen such animosity toward fellow du'ers supporting a different candidate as I have in the past year years. Its sad. Short on dialogue and meaningful political discussions, too heavily laced with short tempered acidic remarks absent any serious thought. Much to much like FR at times.

[freefall]

100. I'm with you, bobbydem. I started as a Kucinich supporter and am now

supporting Edwards due to his running a publicly funded campaign and vowing to fight against the stranglehold corporations have on our country. If Obama wins the nomination I will vote for him but under no circumstances will I vote for Clinton. Depending on the third party choices, if any, I may end up sitting this one out also. I hope it doesn't come to that.

Peace,

freefall

[1776Forever]

101. I am with you all the way!!!! Not voting if Hillary is nominated!

Why?

NAFTA - Communications Bill of 1996 - Outsourcing support by Bill and Hillary - Same old same old! Too many contacts that expect favors!!!!! Check who has given her money!!!!

GObama!!!!!!!!!:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: