Is there a candidate out there who WOULDN'T "Do anything, say anything" to win?

[Sparkly]

If so, who? :shrug:

(Edited to point out that doing things that would end up damaging themselves wouldn't help them win.)

[Endangered Specie]

1. More importantly, wouldn't you WANT a candidate

who would do/say anything to win?

I sure would.

[dkf]

6. You must really love George Bush. He'll say anything to win too.

including lying straight to our faces about mushroom clouds.

[Endangered Specie]

24. thats kind of my point...

the Republicans are going to throw every vile, rule-bending, unfair thing they can think of at us... whens the last time we won an election by playing nice with them?

Fight fire with fire.

[dkf]

37. My problem is that the habits of the campaign

don't stay in the campaign and drift into governing.

How are the people supposed to be able to make a judgment on a bill or something like the IWR when what our leaders explain to us isn't true or is shaded?

If our leaders are willing to say anything they are also willing to mislead the public and that leads to really screwed up governance.

[mondo joe]

31. I wonder if those same people who DON'T would want a sports team to play less hard than it could,

or a racer to run more slowly than she can, or a debater to use less skill than he has.

[dkf]

38. Its one thing to play hard. Its another thing to

deliberately use unsportsmanlike conduct to take out the quarterback or something like that.

I give lying to distort an "unsportsmanlike conduct penalty"

[mondo joe]

39. The rules are there to establish the limits of what is acceptable.

And you're a poor choice to criticize lying.

[dkf]

40. I sooo have not lied.

Where have I lied?

Now THAT is misleading and distorted.

I call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on YOU.

on edit: I guess its part and parcel of your whole "its ok to lie to win" philosophy.

[mondo joe]

41. All your BS about had Bill married Monica an blah blah blah blah.

[dkf]

42. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I lied.

That is what I believe and I am entirely sincere in it.

I've been hurt in the past and I'm mad at guys like my ex and like Bill Clinton. I feel there is no honor in that type of behavior.

You don't care because you don't dislike men who cheat. I do. That isn't lying. That is being frank about where I am coming from and my problems with Bill Clinton's behavior.

[emilyg]

2. No.

[dkf]

3. Of course there are.

You must be a Hillary supporter.

[Sparkly]

5. Which one(s) wouldn't do/say anything to win? nt

[dkf]

13. Barack Obama. Al Gore. Howard Dean.

[Sparkly]

15. Really? What would have helped them win that they didn't do?

[Little Star]

16. You forgot this........

:rofl:

[TheDeathadder]

18. Well Kucinich dropped out...

He was the only one who was a true straight shooter. Obama and Edwards will do anything, say anything as much as HRC to win. It's a reality. I supported Dennis in 2004 working on his team for the primaries. I now support HRC.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Some people here seem to think

politics is tiddly-winks.

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. You mean blatantly lie?

I only see the one that would.

[Sparkly]

11. If they thought it'd help them win, yes.

However, it probably would NOT help them win, so that's about strategy.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Bill Richardson.

Only one that comes to mind.

[mondo joe]

9. By "anything" do you at least mean "within the groundrules (ie laws)"?

[Sparkly]

14. Of course -- if they broke laws, it probably wouldn't help them win.

[mondo joe]

17. I think it would help to clarify that in your OP. Otherwise you'll end up with

responses about people suppressing the vote, etc, which I think is a DIFFERENT matter than you are asking about.

[Sparkly]

20. Okay, I'll edit...

[Cleita]

10. Dupe

[OHdem10]

12. Who wants someone who will not fight to win?????

[lapfog_1]

30. Fight.. yes

Lie, cheat, steal, deceive?

No thanks.

[Sparkly]

32. "lie cheat steal deceive " -- the problem is, those might not necessarily help them win.

To some extent, they will all deceive and maybe even lie, because they pounce on things their opponents have said/done and mischaracterize them in some way. (Blow them out of proportion, imply they say something about the opponent's character, take them out of context, etc.) That is part of political campaigns! Sometimes the candidate does it openly, sometimes "the campaign" does it in another way.

Cheat, steal? There's always the risk of getting caught. I don't see those as practical, except in the case of BushCo and Diebold.

[Cleita]

19. There was.

His name was Dennis Kucinich, but the press and the centrist Democrats managed to push him aside so effectively, especially by eliminating him from the debates, that he had to drop out. When you cast your vote for Clinton in November, don't believe for one minute that you had a choice of your party's Presidential candidate.

[aquart]

21. Define "anything."

And then stop being a ninny. What you are really saying is you want them to ONLY say what YOU want to hear. Unfortunately for you, the nation is bigger than you, and everybody over 18 has a vote. So candidates will try to get those votes.

That IS democratic process. Sorry you don't like it.

[Sparkly]

25. Huh?

"What you are really saying is..." Um, no.

[usregimechange]

22. Not Hillary.

[denem]

23. Wes Clark, Howard Dean, John Kerry

This year, not so much.

[Sparkly]

27. What would have helped them win that they didn't do? nt

[Bluerthanblue]

36. genuine support from their followers.- that would

be the best chance.
Unity of the 'base'- once the nom was made.


peace~

[McCamy Taylor]

35. Au contraire, Kerry did not fight Ohio 2004 because he wanted to be a contender in 2008.

And look how that turned out for him.

[joeybee12]

26. And who couldn't you label a flip-flopper?? No politician, that's

who! "Say anything" is SOP in all political campaigns and can be applied to everyone.

[Tom Strong]

28. "This is a man who'll do and say ANYTHING to get elected."

That was Monkey George's favorite line during the 2000 election. So Obama needs to give credit where credit is due here.

[rodeodance]

29. posters toss that our to chill /shut down meaningful conversation.

"Do anything, say anything" to win?

[11 Bravo]

33. MY candidate wouldn't. YOUR candidate sucks and also hates widows, orphans, and puppies.

(Just trying to fit in to the substantive and well-reasoned discourse that prevails here in GD: Primaries.)

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

34. Kucinich and he will never win.