Is Hillary really trying to get MI delegates even if other candidates were not on the ballot?

[usregimechange]

Is that un-democratic or what? Will she do anything to win? What is next?

[suston96]

1. Other candidates were on the ballot. The rest took part as "uncommitted" who came in second...

[EFerrari]

4. Dennis was on the ballot, I think. Who else? n/t

[babylonsister]

9. No one else. nt

[EFerrari]

11. Thank you.

So, today Hillary is enfranchiser of voters.

Too bad she wasn't one BEFORE the MI primary when it COUNTED.

[suston96]

19. Chris Dodd

[EFerrari]

23. I wish there was somewhere we could go and look at the ballots.

Where there are ballots, anyway. Maybe "the slate" is a better way to put it. Thanks.

[babylonsister]

28. He'd already dropped out by MI. Doesn't count. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Mike Gravel was on it.

[EFerrari]

30. Thank you. n/t

[usregimechange]

10. How do we democraticaly divide delegates among the "uncommited?"

[EFerrari]

12. What is the DNC's plan? Do you know? n/t

[Lucinda]

36. There was exit polling with numbers for both Obama and Edwards but

I don't know if they would be used. If not, I would assume they would mostly vote for Obama unless JE pick up a lot of ground super Tuesday

[Lucinda]

37. Also...the vote was 55% Hillary and 40% Uncomitted

So the actual number of delegates would probably be close for Hillary and Uncomitted

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Damn her!

Trying to get votes to COUNT!

What a fascist.

[usregimechange]

6. Bull shit, votes for the other candidates can not be scored.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Then they shouldn't have volunteered

to remove their names from the ballot.

[Little Star]

27. May I just add DUH to your response. Like it's her fault the

boys didn't have their names on the MI ballot. They need to remember, fool me once, can't get fooled again.:eyes:

[PassingFair]

35. She "volunteered" in fact , PLEDGED to not participate in the primary.

Then left her name on the ballot when the others withdrew.

Disgusting.

:puke:

[EFerrari]

14. Oh, come on! lol

She's trying to change the rules after MI is a done deal and a few days ahead of FL.

What is this, the Kobayashi Maru? Damn you, Kirk! :)

[MonkeyFunk]

17. I think it's hysterical

that so many DUers are adamantly insisting voters be disenfranchised now.

THE RULES! THE RULES!

Isn't that was Republicans in Florida said in 2000?

[EFerrari]

20. Oh, come on II. The DNC brokered this, not DU.

At least tar DU for what we actually do. It's enough!

[Blarch]

16. I used to think you were smarter than this.

You disappoint me.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. You've never disappointed me

[aquart]

3. What is undemocratic about using legal processes?

I do understand that you're sorry you didn't think of it first, but let's not be silly.

[Darkhawk32]

13. So you were in favor of Bush using the SCOTUS to be elected President?

Wow, what short memories or selective memories some people have.

[TwilightZone]

5. All of the candidates were on the ballot in Florida. Is that better?

[napi21]

7. As I understand it, the nominee can call for the deligates to be recognized.

I can't remember where I read that, but the statement was that the Dem nominee can have the delegates seated at the convention. You have to remember, the delegates are NOT mandated to vote fir who they have committed to. They can change their mind at the convention. Most of the time they stay in support of the district vote, but they don't HAVE TO. That's why uncomitted work.

[Endangered Specie]

8. Don't pretend that Obama wouldn't do the same thing

if the roles were reversed.

[EFerrari]

21. We don't have to work in the subjunctive. He hasn't done it

and he's in the same front runner role.

[Endangered Specie]

32. Let me put it to you this way...

hes a politician, right? This is what politicans do, they fight to win. If he didn't then hes a lousy politician.

[Seen the light]

33. Actually, we KNOW he wouldn't have

Why? BECAUSE HE KEPT HIS NAME OFF THE BALLOT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! AAAAARGH!

[Endangered Specie]

34. Well in that case hes an idiot.

and so was Edwards for taking the name off.

The rules were you couldn't *campaign* in that state, not be on the ballot.

[AtomicKitten]

18. It's undemocratic and unDemocratic, but so very Clinton.

[usregimechange]

22. True.

[PATRICK]

24. I and a few others mentioned

this as a disastrous possibility, a horrible temptation and an irresistible campaign maneuver for someone who has already crossed the Rubicon about much more victory is worth than success for the party.

That it is becoming a presumption is chilling but is it true? The worst aspect is not the Hillary campaign but the Michigan and Florida voices that think re-enfranchising the duped, betrayed(by mostly the same people pouting for breaking the rules then and now) skewed voters is justice for their populations. Not a single thought is given(on the surface) to any harm to the party, any betrayal of the process, their voters and to our real chances in November.

Not one thought as they calmly work toward this result as if Hillary had not reaped an incredibly unmerited illegitimate advantage from the foolery of arrogant state officials. At some point the Clinton campaign will have to come behind this. If they wait for a Florida 'win' it would be nauseatingly obvious. Do you think the MSM might eventually notice it? Despite never noticing GOP moves of similar twisted proportions, something tells me they just might.

If the Clinton campaign even LETS this happen, IMHO, we will have not the revival of the Clinton era but a less successful pair of Macbeths who won't even make it to the throne. The MSM will do us the immense service of letting our party destroy ourselves in this fashion where they would not oppose a single obvious great crime of the Bush administration.

[usregimechange]

25. good points.

[usregimechange]

26. delete