Hillary Clinton attempting to have Michigan Delegates seated:

[FlyingSquirrel]

Poll question: Hillary Clinton attempting to have Michigan Delegates seated:

I was going to include another option, "Would be acceptable only if it didn't change the outcome" on the off-chance (very remote IMO) that she could have sewn up the nomination without Michigan & Florida, and that the Democratic Party would then have allowed their delegates to be seated in a show of solidarity. That would probably have happened anyway in the above scenario, and HRC wouldn't have to be asking for it to happen. Therefore since it's a scenario for a FUTURE possibility which would NOT require her intervention, I decided to leave it out.

Personally, I had to restrain myself to keep from including things like, "Makes me want to throw up" or "Is the last straw, I won't be voting for her in my state's primary/caucus." I wanted to make it a fair poll.

Personally: I take back every good thing I've said about her recently (and there have been many). This shows that she has no respect for the Democratic Party leadership or the VOTERS who stayed home when told that their vote would not matter, who may otherwise have come out to vote for either Edwards or Obama. You can argue till you're blue in the face that they should have come out anyway and voted Uncommitted; the pure and simple fact is that many people come to the polls to vote FOR someone, not AGAINST someone or for "UNCOMMITTED."

This shows that Hillary Clinton will do whatever she can to win at all costs regardless of what's right.

I'm not one who agrees that the ends justify the means, so I guess you know how I voted in this poll.

But let's see how many agree with me.

[jlake]

1. Perfectly acceptable.

[Windy]

3. Absolutely unacceptable. We as michigan voters were disenfrachised

I am a Michigan resident and I have more of a say than those not from this state! Hillary remained on the ballot despite going against party rules. This was a game obviously as she knew that the others would pull their names. she is now trying to gain delegates that resulted from an election that was not open and honest!!!!

If she is allowed to seat those delegates, I am no longer a member of the democratic party!

[jlake]

15. So, Hillary wanting delegates to be seated is "disenfranchising" voters?

....Now I've heard everything.

[joshcryer]

18. It's a caucus, the other candidates can broker for their votes.

On top of that, they were never told to take their names off the ballot there, the candidates that did so were the ones who didn't want to be represented in MI.

[IndianaGreen]

2. A power play by the Clintons to seat delegates they won in uncontested elections

While I have long opposed the DNC on this issue, and I do get some perverse pleasure in seeing how the Clintons are exploiting this situation for crass political opportunism rather than principle, the Clintons behaviour should remind us all of the sleaze that they will bring with them to the White House.

The country can ill afford a remain under the spell of the Atwaters, Carvilles, Roves and Penns of this world.

[Occam Bandage]

4. A vile power play, and a "screw you" to every other state's Democratic party.

[robbedvoter]

5. More than "acceptable" - it may be the reason I could vote for her. Voter's rights

I am tired of candidates who go -"sorry voters but...me, me, me me"

[IndianaGreen]

8. The Clintons don't care about voters' rights, they suppressed voters in Nevada!

and they relied on Diebold to "win" in New Hampshire.

[Kucinich4America]

9. Quit distorting the issue.

Hillary's DLC surrogates are the ones who did this. If she wanted to fight, she should have done so before the other candidates dropped off the Michigan ballot.

This is all about a panicking Team Hillary, knowing damn well she is not going to have the delegates to buy an early coronation, and desperate to use an uncontested illegal primary to her advantage.

[FlyingSquirrel]

11. Amen. n/t

[jackson_dem]

14. Yes but she is right now and deserves credit

Too much is made of this anyway. If it goes to the convention anyway and things continue it will be Edwards, not the seating of these two states' delegations, that will decide the outcome. It is more likely we will have a winner before the convention and regardless of who it is he or she will seat Florida and Michigan.

[joshcryer]

20. Oh, I don't see the delegates being seated until the convention.

So you just better fucking hope that they don't matter to the final delegate count as others here wish they wouldn't.

[Pathwalker]

6. Perhaps we should stop fighting for every vote to count, then.

Since we really don't mean it.
Fuck the voters of those two states - they haven't suffered nearly enough - let's take their votes away, and claim it's the "principled" thing to do. then, let's not forget to bitch about every vote not counting!!!

Spare me your "It's their own fault" BS - it wasn't the damned voter's idea!

[FlyingSquirrel]

10. Their votes were already taken away. The damage was done.

Why compound it by disenfranchising those who stayed home in protest? Do you honestly believe that Clinton would have received the percentage she received if the candidates had been campaigning in Michigan and if all three candidates' names had been on the ballot? Is it fair to Obama and Edwards voters to retroactively count the votes for Clinton? And how do you decide what percentage of "Uncommitted" to give to Obama and Edwards? Here's a suggestion: Invalidate the results of Michigan primary, (already done, supposedly) and hold a new one before the Democratic Convention. Hillary Clinton is not trying to do what is right by the voters, she is trying to manipulate a flawed vote in her favor.

[Pathwalker]

12. Fine - hold a new primary - like our state has the money for it.

Our state is going through very, very hard times, and this is just kicking us while we're down. The lack of consideration for the VOTERS in this state will bite the Democrats in the ass come November, regardless of who the nominee is - count on it.
I'm tired of hearing "You Democrats can't do anything right" from the Repukes in this state, and I've cleaned up what they're saying considerably. They don't blame Hillary - they blame the Democrats - all of them.
Hold a new primary - we can't even afford to fix our very lousy roads!

[MichiganVote]

16. Oh no, we want "pure" elections in the US you know. (sarcasm)

If the Michigan delegates are dumped so be it. The Democrats will have made the choice to increase the ranks of the Independent voters in the US by a huge margin. Not the first time the Dem party has shot itself in the foot.

[Pathwalker]

19. It's monumental hypocricy, pure and simple, when you

consider how loudly some here scream when "every vote isn't counted", yet are ready, willing and damned determined to disenfranchise the voters of two states. They can sit here and say "it was the State's fault, No, it was the National party's fault" all they want but all the voters here in the state think it's ALL their fault. And when Michigan goes Red this fall, they'll all be "shocked". Bah!

[MichiganVote]

24. They'll just blame anyone but their candidate. Lot of morons on this site.

[sandyj999]

23. You Got That Right! About the roads, that is. n/t

[Kucinich4America]

29. OK, let's have a new Michigan Primary, with one condition.

Because Hillary refused to take her name off the last ballot, she doesn't get to be on this one.

Then we'll see how hard she fights to get the delegates seated.

[Pathwalker]

33. And who will pay for it? This state can't pay for it.

We can't afford to fix our roads, damnit! The auto companies are tearing down most of their plants and moving to Mexico; we have the highest unemployment rate in this nation, the Republican house and senate have slashed the budget - we're BROKE! Is there some part of this people don't understand?
There will be no new primary and there will be no Democratic victory in November - this state will go Republican - regardless of who the nominee is.

[cooolandrew]

32. Yes, this way the Democratic party can regain some credibility. I'm sure folks would go for that.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. It's about as acceptable as retro active immunity for the Telecoms. It stinks

[jackson_dem]

13. Everyone should count. Dean was wrong

Dean shouldn't have disenfranchised these two vital states. He should have penalized them but allowed them to have a voice. Fuck Iowa and New Hampshire.

[Kucinich4America]

30. Dean did his job

Hillary's DLC flunkies were the ones who broke the rules. If I lived in one of those states, I'd be voting them out of office.

[cooolandrew]

31. It's an odd move what incentive do they have to vote in November.They will now need 2 b reinpired

[CorpGovActivist]

17. kr

[joshcryer]

21. I cannot believe how many people here don't want votes to count.

I am completely and utterly shocked, given that DU came into existance as a response to the 2001 fiasco. Unfuckingbelievable. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.

[asthmaticeog]

25. It's not about votes counting, it's about candidates running.

Most of the Dem field stayed out of Michigan because there were no delegates, so their resources would have been wasted there. Clinton ran essentially unopposed, and now that she's had no competition there, she suddenly wants it to count. She's moving the goalposts, and that's unfair to the voters who would have chosen other candidates but never had the chance. Clinton is effectively trying to steal delegates that were never in play.

[sandyj999]

22. They didn't want my vote to count yesterday so they can forget it.

I don't usually feel this way but could it be because she was the only one of the three front runners that were on the ballot. Hmmmm I wonder??

[FlyingSquirrel]

26. Ya it's ridiculous the people saying HRC is a champion for the voters

who are being left out of the nomination process. Is there ANYONE who can say with a straight face that Clinton would be trying to get Michigan's delegates seated if OBAMA had been the only one on the ballot there, getting 55% of the vote? Let's be REAL, people!

[Tatiana]

27. Completely unacceptable.

Though Dean probably should have done like the Repukes did and awarded half the delegates as a penalty, the rules were the rules. And the state party broke them KNOWINGLY. Michigan has a lot of voters who have borne the brunt of Bush's failed economic policy - foreclosed homes, factories shut down, jobs lost due to outsourcing or downsizing. Edwards would have had a real shot at this state, but respected the party rules and did not campaign or put his name on there. Obama would have also had a strong showing. I do not believe Hillary would have won if all the candidates were allowed to campaign there and had their names on the ballot.

Forty percent voted "uncommitted." That is a HUGE number of voters. This move is unbecoming of Clinton. I like the fact that the campaign wants to do whatever is necessary to win, but this attempt to seat delegates is unclassy and flat out wrong.

[cooolandrew]

28. Running aginst nobody is without question undemocratic, no 2 ways about it.