Does Bill deserve to be the first First Gentleman?

[andyrowe]

If you think yes, could you explain?

We already know why not.

[MadBadger]

1. Of course he does...she owes all her success to him.

[Bicoastal]

3. Most, but not all.

I don't want to belittle Hillary unfairly. She did win 2 Senate elections.

Of course, I do think she never would have made it to the Senate OR victories in NH and NV if it hadn't been for Bill, and you can quote me on that. She's powerful as she is for really no other reason.

[MadBadger]

6. At this point tonight, I dont care If i belittle her

[Bicoastal]

7. You get my last PM?

[MadBadger]

9. Yea, thanks.

People here can be pretty shitty sometimes...and some people can be pretty shitty all the time.

[Bicoastal]

11. Check out my latest brainstorm--this might make you happy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7402752&mesg_id=7402752

[andyrowe]

27. Of course you'd lobby for an under 30 forum...

Now that I'm 30!

[cboy4]

13. Wow. It's shocking to see you lose you composure!

At one time, you were the person setting an example.

And now? It looks like a meltdown.

What happened hnmnf? Your candidate won yesterday.

Aren't you supposed to be happy?

[MadBadger]

16. Not when many DUers sought out to tell us younger Obama supporters that we are ignorant

that we lack critical thinking skills, and that all we see in Obama is a fad.

[andyrowe]

18. Me like hope. nt

[indimuse]

29. ignorant...hence your post!

I mean really...

[babylonsister]

2. Would anyone want to be VP with him around? That is a pertinent question imo. nt

[andyrowe]

4. I think so...

vpotus trumps fgotus.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. the position of First Spouse isn't awarded on merit

[andyrowe]

8. Lucky for Bill. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Ask a stupid question

get an honest answer.

[StevieM]

12. Hillary deserves to be president IMO--she'll be a great one! (eom)

x

[cboy4]

14. Isn't the candidate's spouse always awarded that

title?

I had no idea there's an application process.

[MrSlayer]

15. Certainly.

Because he'd be the "co-President" as Hillary was with him. In all other cases the spouse of the President is completely irrelevant.

[andyrowe]

17. So as "co-president"...

Would she run everything by Bill first? Could he stand in for her if she needed to call in sick or something?

[MrSlayer]

19. Yes and No.

Not officially anyway to the second question. As to the first, yes. I do believe she would confer with Bill on most of the important issues as it is said he did with her.

[izzie]

20. I think you must mean Co-President

I really do not want the Clinton's back in office. No more Bush/Clinton. I have had it with ruling family stuff.

[ReadTomPaine]

21. Point of clarification - "Miss Manners: What to call president's husband?"

The president’s spouse is a private citizen with no official rank, and thus is properly addressed, in writing and in person, as Mrs. Washington (with neither her nor her husband’s given name; she would be THE Mrs. Washington, with no danger of being mistaken for Mrs. Chuck Washington).

However, courtesy accords precedence to her, or to another lady serving as the president’s hostess. This was referred to, in the era of more complicated and more rigorously observed precedence systems, as her being “the first lady of the land.”

....

A female president would be the hostess at state occasions; she cannot designate another lady to preside and therefore outrank her socially. What she would need, in addition to the professionals already provided for putting on such events, is an understanding public that does not keep asking for her recipes and notions about flower-arranging.

And now to the husband. If anything is sillier than “first lady,” it is “first husband” (unless this is necessary to distinguish him from a marital successor also on the scene). He would be the host, and addressed simply by his name and “Mr.” or another honorific he held, such as general or governor.

Emphasis mine.

http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/columns/missmanners/story/246250.html

[andyrowe]

22. So we'll call him Mr. President and her Mrs. President?

FGOTUS will stick. Leno and Letterman will see to that.

[ReadTomPaine]

23. He's properly referred to as Governor or Mr. Clinton.

This response was in reference to a question about someone greeting Governor Carter.

"What Miss Manners can give you is the correct information. But it comes with a warning that most people not only don't know or believe it, but turn indignant with the notion that it is disrespectful.

This is because we suffer from title inflation. Our Founding Fathers, including the ones to whom this question applied, established American protocol to be simple and unpretentious - and thus antithetical to the modern taste.

Nevertheless, the rule is that titles pertaining to an office that only one person occupies at a time are not used after retirement. A former president can use a previously held, non-unique title, as the first one did by reverting to Gen. Washington in retirement, or the plain citizen's title of "Mr." The third president preferred to be known as Mr. Jefferson rather than Gov. Jefferson. Thus, the gentleman your son met would be addressed as Gov. Carter or Mr. Carter."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=189597

[Perry Logan]

24. You are not fit to lick Bill Clinton's boots.

[andyrowe]

26. Clinton's boots are not fit for licking. nt

[DrFunkenstein]

25. He's Had 35 Years of Experience Preparing Him For The Role

Clinton has already said that his wife was behind all the good ideas in his Presidency and behind all the bad ones. He knows that he belongs in the East Wing of the White House while Hillary is busy making all the big decisions over in the West Wing.

[andyrowe]

28. Are you serious? nt