Us baby Boomers have brought plenty to the table...60's, 70's, 80's, 90's...

[1corona4u]

so when you 20-somethings bitch about us, and consider us irrelevant, you need to keep in mind what we have contributed to this society;

Playstation, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, Cell phones, computers, DVD's/CD's, Ipods, Cordless phones, VHS/VCR recorders, Walkmans, Apple Mac, Nike sneakers, floppy disk, Pentium processors, micro processors, ethernet, Xerox, Laser printers, Ink jet printers, Computer Mouse, Roller blades, Hubble Space Telescope, GPS, Com Satellites, Satellite TV, Digital Cameras, THE WEB, Post it notes, Rubik's Cube, Lasers, The Space Shuttle, Music Videos, Cable Television, Full intergration of 'in color' television broadcasting, automobile air bags, Bar Codes, Email, LCD's, MRI's, The Pacemaker, Fiber optics, Kevlar, Hypertext, Portable Calculators.....


And some of the musicians;

The Beatles, The Police, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Doors, The Supremes, The Beach Boys, Pink Floyd, Dire Straits, Duran Duran, Van Halen, Foreigner, Phil Collins, Huey Lewis and the News, Wang Chung, Tears for Fears, Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam, Heart, Juice Newton, Culture Club, The Eurythmics, Def Leppard, Deacon Blue, Bryan Adams, Queen, Depeche Mode, U2, Simple Minds, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Cher, Rick Springfield, Tina Turner, Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, Olivia Newton-John, Prince, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Beastie Boys, Kim Wilde, Laura Branigan, The Cars and Bon Jovi, Led Zepplin, Rapper & Hip Hop artist(too many to list)


OPRAH WINFREY, MTV, The Weather Channel, Saturday Night Live, Star Wars, ET, Late Night w/David Letterman, CNN, Fox, 60 Minutes....lots more....



Now, just what has the 20-something generation given us? Except grief?

[1corona4u]

1. Crickets...

[crikkett]

22. You rang?

You gave us

dirty air

dirty water

dirty politics

dirty investment schemes

and took away any hope of affordable education.

You cut our art classes so you could keep property tax low,

and now music sucks.

You put up fences around your yards,

and now we don't know how to act towards one another.

You had your day in the sun,

and now you want us to be your nursemaids.

Thanks a lot!

[iconocrastic]

60. Bravo, they're a tiresome, shallow, self-indulgent lot. The "me" generation

Time for them to get off the pot

[Deja Q]

200. Off the toilet or off the illegal drug, made illegal for days like this no doubt!

[Skittles]

209. please stop with the stereotyping

it is unseemly

[CBHagman]

164. Sweetheart, gather your security blanket and sit down.

If you think socially inept people, fences, dirty politics, dodgy investment schemes, and or even pollution are recent additions to humankind's problems, talk to a few history teachers, or perhaps Al Gore.

As a co-worker of mine once said, "An angry man is always wrong." When you pronounce to an entire generation that they are the cause of all ills, you're not speaking from a position of knowledge or even emotional maturity.

Oh, and it was Newt Gingrich and his ilk that went crazed over the idea of arts spending, not baby boomers like music education advocate Wynton Marsalis.

[murielm99]

217. The dirty air and water preceded us.

We gave you Earth Day, and idea that was initially laughed at, and is now a tradition. We gave you Al Gore, who is trying to do something about the mess OUR elders left us.

We gave you Al Franken, who can tell the truth with humor.

The dirty politics did not start with Nixon, but he was definitely not a boomer. Many of the problems we face today started with his administration.

Jesse Helms was not a boomer, either. He got on his high horse about arts education, not us.

If your music sucks, do something about it. If you don't like fences, tear them down.

And if I need a nursemaid at any point in the future, I will pay for it with the money I earned and saved.

Grow up!

[rockymountaindem]

2. What grief?

The 20-something generation is too young to have done much of anything yet. Most of us have just gotten out of school.

[SharonAnn]

120. Plus, our Social Security Surplus is being used to run the government.

We're the first generation in social Security history to pay for ourselves, along with our parents and grandparents.

Before 1980, each generation paid for the preceding generation(s) but set nothing aside for ourselves.

* is, of course, misspending the surplus by using it to run the government in order to cut taxes.

But, we set the nation on a good fiscal course and the right-wing, charge and spend Republicans taook advantage of it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

123. Too late for that excuse ...

Us boomers used that one in the '60's. You're just recycling an old excuse.

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

133. those of you who care to graduate. what is the level now? 55%

this crap is crap. each generation has good and bad.

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Toys and entertainment?

Whence comes this animus against The Kids?

--p!

[1corona4u]

4. Precisely...

these same kids who are complaining about the baby boomers, surely don't think their favorite past times just fell out of the sky, do they?

[Bluerthanblue]

24. oh my- you forgot the sarcasm icon-

didn't you?

:eyes:

[Tweed]

13. Nixon, Reagan, Bush, & Bush II?

Thanks, thanks a whole lot

[Demeter]

16. Nixon, Reagan and to Some Extent Bush

were the choice of our parents and grandparents--we weren't old enough to vote, most of us.

[indie_voter]

49. Not Nixon but Reagan and Bush

I was born in 1964, technically the last year of the boomer demo. For that matter, Obama is technically a boomer, born in 1961, but he like those of us born in last few years of the 50s and early 60s are cusp, we were too young to be part of the defining moments of the boomer generation, though we were alive for many of them.

I was 16 when Reagan beat Carter (1980), 2 years too young to cast my vote for Carter. I was old enough in 1984 to vote. So boomers can't distance themselves from Reagan (twice) and Bush Sr, most were old enough to vote.

The majority of the boomer demo were old enough to vote in the 1980 (Reagan vs Carter), only those of us born in the later part of 1962, 1963 and 1964 couldn't.

[lapfog_1]

40. Don't blame Nixon on the baby boomers

Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2... yeah, that's our bad.

I have no idea why so many long haired hippies in the sixties turned into wingnuts sometime in the eighties, but they did.

And the kids that came of age in the era of Reagan were, by and large, a conservative backlash to their liberal parents of the sixties. (Family Ties Alex Keaton was a parody of this)

I've been waiting 20 years for the backlash against THAT to happen... and I feel it now with OBama and the twenty somethings. Hope I'm right.

[Tweed]

61. You don't think the long haired hippies of the 60's

the Black Panthers, the draft riots, Weather Underground, the radical left, etc. scared the shit out of people into voting for Nixon? Granted the entire generation was not that way, but still, I think the coming of age of television coinciding with the rise of the radical left added greatly to Nixon's appeal.

[lapfog_1]

75. No, Nixon was going to be elected anyway.

They voted for Nixon for the same reason they voted for Bush. Nixon appealed to people's fears, not to their hopes and dreams.

He told the generation that fought WWI and Korea that if we "surrendered" in Vietnam, the rest of Asia (god only knows who in particular) would fall like dominos. We couldn't appease the communists and they were evil. The fact that the hippies (like me) were listening to the beatles and marching against the war was just something else they didn't like (damn hippies). But they were voting for Nixon anyway.

[SammyWinstonJack]

99. With the exception of bu$h II the others aren't boomers. I was too young to vote for Nixon and

wouldn't have and I didn't vote for Reagan or bu$h I. Much of the mess we are currently facing stem from the reagan/bu$h I and nixon administration and many of georgie' administration aren't boomers either. This boomer bashing on DU is great fun, isn't it? :silly:

[roguevalley]

134. I didn't vote for any of them As for Bush, he stole two elections.

By the way, what percentage of youngin's do you suppose will vote in this election? NH was supposed to be huge for the young vote and it didn't happen. Each generation sucks in its own special way. the youngin's of today don't look too different from any other.

[Skidmore]

5. Ah, sweet Jesu, grow up.

Knock it off. We Boomers at one time thought we had the world by the tail and became politically involved because we thought we could fix the problems created by our parents' generation. And we did, until we broke it. The 20-40 somethings all deserve their turn to make the world over to fit their vision of what the world should be. They are also today's inventors and workers. We're retiring and dying off. We should help them, and if we can't do any thing but throw tantrums or be impediments, the least we could do is get out of the way.

[pampango]

17. Right. I hate to see Democrats bashing young people, especially those

who become politically involved. My vision of the Democratic party is that we are the party of new ideas and youthful enthusiasm, while the Republicans are the party of old, conservative, "don't rock the boat" ideas. That's how I viewed our party when I was in my twenties and that is still how I view the party 30 some years later.

[Skidmore]

27. I'm very excited to see the young people coming to the political discourse.

I spoke with the young people who came to my door and called on behalf of Obama and Edwards here in Iowa before the caucus. The last caucus I went to in 2004 was basically the same group of old farts that show up year after year in order to maintain their pecking order and reassert their inflated sense of entitlement. God, it was good to see all those young faces, and the precinct captains were in their 20s and 30s this time. They were active and engaged. I feel very good about the future of the nation right now. I can think of nothing more suicidal to a political party than to turn people away by belittling their concerns and questioning their motives without hearing them out.

[1corona4u]

52. Then maybe they should stop bashing/demeaning baby boomers....

because they are.

[Skidmore]

72. Is your ego so fragile or are you just trying to start shit?

[roguevalley]

136. I have a lot of hope for each generation. I hadn't seen this kind of

crap until the other day when someone posted a snotty notice about the old on a thread. we should save our angst and anger for the pugs.

[Mutley]

218. Who?

I know a lot of 20-somethings on this board and in real life that do no such thing. I for one have the utmost respect to those who have survived the insanity of the last 30-40-50+ years on this planet. As for the ones who do bash boomers, well perhaps they have some growing up to do.

But yes, please, paint us all with your very broad brush.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. how soon 'we' forget- great post Skidmore-

you said it perfectly.

peace~

[HereSince1628]

30. Every generation has transgenerational angst.

Each generation comes of age KNOWING that they didn't create the constellation of problems they are asked to deal with. And each generation learns that over time their own generation will divide up on different sides of the political spectrum. And each generation learns that the younger generation that is just becoming politically aware will lump them all together and blame them as a group for the state of things that many of them have actually worked and ARE working to transform. Bottom line is each generation has a lot of learning to do and it takes a life time cuz life just keeps on doling out lessons.

Can we admit that every generation stands on the shoulders of those who come before? It's the whole point of education to bring our children and grandchildren to a point where they expand society's understanding and accomplishments beyond where we have taken them. If it didn't work this way, there'd be no progress. If there wasn't hope that it CAN work this way, there would be no Progressives.

Life from a worms-eye view rests on the debris of ages and feeds on a dying generation. Civilization depends our not acting like worms.

[Writer]

85. Bill Joel, anyone?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pKu2QaytmrM

BTW: I blame Boomers for this REALLY TERRIBLE SONG, as well. :P

[HereSince1628]

121. Go ahead, pass gas.

It's not like no one did that before.

[Writer]

131. But what if you strike a match as you do so?

Billy Joel says that it starts a fire.

[HereSince1628]

139. It depends in part on which puckered orifice it passes from

Could prove to be hot air one way or the other.

Humans don't typically pass methane from the mouth.

From the anus it depends on the diversity of your particular pet bacteria flora--could be methane, could be carbon dioxide. Which, in turn, as I'm sure you know, depends on the type of crap you feed on.

I once heard you could predict that be seeing if you're producing floatees or sinkees. But I suspect that also has a lot to do with how thorough the dehydration of the bolus has been.

[Writer]

146. Wow. That's all quite fascinating, and all.

Have you experimented with this? Is that why you're mentioning this? I don't understand how this relates to Billy Joel's extremely terrible tribute to Twentieth Century problems in the making.

[HereSince1628]

156. You don't understand because it is inane.

And meant to be.

[Writer]

165. Did you think I was trying to insult you by posting the Billy Joel song?

[HereSince1628]

169. No

[Writer]

170. Okay, good. I wanted to clear that up.

[HereSince1628]

176. No problem

[stubtoe]

122. Excellent post, thank you. n/t

[lynnertic]

48. You did it because your lives were on the line and because your

PARENTS supported you and you learned things like citizenship in school. You boomers also grew up on the heels of the 60's Civil Rights movement, where nonviolent protest worked to bring change, and so you saw that it could happen.

Well the TV doesn't cover that kind of news anymore and kids don't learn civics anymore, and nobody's being drafted, and folks who go to college are in hock up to their eyeballs.

When the UCLA kid got tasered by security guards just before Christmas break 2 years ago, wanna know why the campus wasn't just shut down by protesting students?

Their parents wouldn't let them. Too much money at stake.

[Skidmore]

70. Not all of the protests of the 60s were nonviolent. There are

many memories out here of dogs and waterhoses, tear gas, and bullets. We remember Kent State, where young people gave their lives protesting an unjust and illegal war. I would only tell you that your lives are at stake too. Perhaps there is no draft now, but on the other side of this political equation, we have one candidate who tells us he would keep us in wars for the next century and another who would keep wars going as a matter of pandering. Both are viable candidates. The troops they have committed to the current wars cannot keep going back time and time again. This war machine is creating a whole class of physically, mentally, and emotionally ravaged citizens. It is not fair to them to keep them there. You are also being called upon because the fight we have here is to stop more lives from being claimed, perhaps yours.

An additional comment about the protests of the 60s. We didn't get our parents' permission to have them and they were carried out in defiance of the administration of colleges and the government. We occupied buildings, had sit-ins, and marched in the streets in defiance of the institutions, parental included.

[roguevalley]

140. too bad the draft isn't around. you might see more of what happened

in the sixties if people's lives were on the line.

[roguevalley]

138. since when did parents have anything to do with students doing

what was right? The students didn't shut the college down because they didn't want to. Many were hacked off but not enough to risk anything. Remember Berkley? Down for years.

[blondeatlast]

144. Well said, my friend. There's no edge anymore and real journalism has gone the way of the dodo.

How many people died in Iraq yesterday?

:thumbsup:

[Adsos Letter]

62. Well said...

as a 52 year old guy I couldn't agree with you more!

Let's see...it's a little after 8 am here...means it's a bit after 11 am in Philadelphia...think I'll call my daughter who is in her 2nd year of medical school in Philadelphia...20-something wastrel that she is...

:D

[moondust]

221. Don't stand in the doorway! Don't block up the hall!

O8)

[Fresh_Start]

6. personally I would have talked about fight for civil rights

environmentalism, and consumer protection

but I was never a good consumer

[robbedvoter]

19. On the boomer's side, I hope. Me too. Anti-war, civil rights - the "excesses"

of the 60s and 70s - as reagan called it. Those fights Obama said he;s not that invested in.
Frankly, I don't want to diss all youngsters - i know some worthy successors. But they are invested in the old fights.

[Fresh_Start]

33. my 60's and 70's didn't have excesses

but we were poor unlike Obama

[robbedvoter]

37. Obama made you rich? Are you Rezko?

[Fresh_Start]

42. oops "UNLIKE" not until

no Rezko relationships

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

7. Do you realize you're saying exactly what your parents' generation said about you?

[Demeter]

12. Really? My Parents Said to Me:

Go to college so you can get a good job. Get married or your grandparents will never forgive me.

And today, what can you tell my kids--don't bother going to college, there are no jobs for graduates. Have all the children you want, but don't marry and avoid a lengthy expensive and vicious divorce.

Unless you can break into professional sports or world class entertainment, learn how to fill out welfare forms?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

25. Fortunately it's not everyone in every generation who does this

But every generation has a few "these kids today" types like the OP.

[1corona4u]

63. Hey, I just call it like I see it.

Sorry you don't agree.

[SammyWinstonJack]

106. With the exception of georgie and Bill Clinton, how many past presidents were boomers?

And how many in georgie's admin. are boomers? Cheney, rumsfeld? Not boomers. Most of the mess in this country stems from the admin. of non-boomers. Just something too think about.

[Deja Q]

202. You like movies in the theater (X-rated), don't you?

Take off the glasses. NOTHING is ever so simple, nor one-sided. Lord knows how often I re-evaluate myself and I'm tired of being depressed... too depressing...

[robbedvoter]

39. My parents said to me to always fight for the right things (including old fights

not yet won)

[1corona4u]

53. Yes, and it's not until these 20-somethings are my age...

that they too will 'get it'.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

100. Let's hope they don't "get it" the way you do.

[Demeter]

8. Solar Technology, Ecology, Peace Movement, Women's Rights

continuing the expansion of civil rights, sexual orientation rights, Freedom of Information Act, and many more precariously won checks and balances on the corporate beast.

And what thanks do we get? Slurs on the Internet, which we developed and promoted.

[robbedvoter]

14. Women's rights and Peace movement were invented by you kiddies?

That's precisely the kind of statement that makes me happy to vote my age

[Demeter]

23. No, You Jerk. They were REVIVED after decades of Neglect.

Detroit had race riots during WWII as well as the Long hot summer of 1967. Does anyone remember that? Women got the vote in 1919, and precious little else for another 50 years.

[robbedvoter]

46. Hardly saying we won, but to say 18 year olf revived our stale fights - a bit much

Because, listening to Obama, he still doesn't give a damn about women or he wouldn't say things like
""The default candidate for Democrats in this race was always going to be Hillary Clinton because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham."

[Demeter]

55. Fights Against Greed and Entrophy are Never Won

it's just like housework

[1corona4u]

57. Or that women are 'prayerful about abortions"

or something to that effect...

[Recursion]

129. You disagree?

The default candidate for Democrats in this race was always going to be Hillary Clinton because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham.

It's hard for me to honestly disagree with that; would she be the Senator from New York if she hadn't been FLOTUS? She would probably be one of the most powerful and successful lawyers in the country. Then again, maybe she would have gone to Chicago and won the seat Obama has now...

ON EDIT: I'm not saying she got where she is by "marrying up" or whatever or anything like that. I'm saying that to reach high office in the US requires a tremendous amount of luck and connections, and in her particular case those were named Bill.

[1corona4u]

54. Exactly.

Ingrates. :-) Too bad they were initiated in the 'baby boomer era'.

[dmallind]

9. Social security benefits?

Since it's a pay as you go scheme not a savings fund those kids will be paying your SS checks.

[Fresh_Start]

11. as indeed we paid for other peoples grandparents and parents

or does society only owe a debt to the children and not the elderly?

[dmallind]

18. Just answering the question

I'm sure the whinging oldies will absolutely refuse to participate in the benefits made possible by inventions and advances from the younger generation, which already have the potential to exceed anything in the boomer generation (technical progress seems to be moving on a logarithmic scale rather than a linear one).

And hey since when was it boomers and 20 somethings? I'm in between - who's getting grouchy about the 35-40 year olds??

[pampango]

31. Keep contributing to Social Security you twenty-somethings.

There are fewer of you workers now and in the future per Social Security beneficiary than there were when we Baby Boomers were entering the work force. On a per capita basis, we will be relying on you more than than our parents and grandparents did us. :)

[Fresh_Start]

38. dont know if thats strickly true

we have pensions and 401K and investments the like that our parents and grandparents never dreamed of having
the majority of seniors today are relying on SS as the majority of their income

[pampango]

47. Oh, you are right about the 410K and other private investments are something

that our parents and grandparents could never have dreamed of. Pensions, though, I'm not so sure about. In general I think that pensions, except perhaps in the public sector, have declined substantially to some extent being replace by 401K's and other investments.

I worked for Social Security for many years. In the sixties there were, on average, 15 workers for every beneficiary. Now there are 4 per beneficiary and that is expected to continue to decline as large numbers of baby boomers retire in the coming decade.

To the extent that we do have good pensions and investments, I suppose we rely less on Social Security than our parents. But as you say, the majority of seniors still rely greatly on Social Security and the pressure will be on younger workers to continue to fund our benefits.

[Fresh_Start]

56. I understand the population dynamics

I understand the math of how SS is supported
but its also true that pensions will be a more significant part of boomer retirement than it was of the prior generations retirement
401K likewise came into existence during boomer generation so it too will be more significant in the boomer generation than in any prior generation

[pampango]

64. I don't have the figures handy, but it is my understanding that pensions

are becoming less significant than they used to be. Prior to the 1980's company pension that defined benefits based on how long you worked there were much more common than they are now. 401K's became a substitute for those company pensions, but that only works if you can afford to invest in your 401K and actually do put the money there.

I haven't worked for Social Security for 15 years now, so I haven't seen any research on how effectively 401K's are replacing the benefits of defined company pensions. Some people are, undoubtedly, better off than they would have been in under the old "good pension, no 401K" era and some, perhaps many I don't know, will be worse off. As you said earlier it seems that a majority of beneficiaries rely on Social Security for a majority of their income. It is those whom I worry about in the decades to come.

[roguevalley]

143. agreed. given that logic, since I have no kids in school, no need for

me to pay to support them.

[Fresh_Start]

32. 99% of boomers aren't being paid yet

purely by the numbers

[dmallind]

36. So?

Who will be paying when they do?

[1corona4u]

58. No they won't....

go look it up.

[dmallind]

128. uh?

they are going to lift SSI taxes on twenty somethings? Or they are not going to pay out benefits to boomers? Those are the only options if they're not going to be paying your benefits, because current payments are used to cover current liabilities.

[SammyWinstonJack]

150. reagan doubled our payroll ss taxes as a way of funding boomers retirement, or so he claimed.

We should be paying our own way as well as our parents. What about that don't you get? Not our fault that georgie has raided the SS coffers, to pay for the tax cuts to the rich and his illegal war! Where is that "lockbox" when we needed it?

[dmallind]

155. So what?

The whole SS ID was "promised" never top be used as national ID or for reasons outside this scheme and now you can't get your own bank balance without using it. Since when did what politicians' promises change what IS? What part of reality are you not getting since you want to make this a personal attack fest? Again I ask - do we use current payments to pay current benefits or not? The answer of course is "yes". Regardless of whether that should be, or was promised not to be, it IS. Hence even in the slanted apples to oranges spirit of the OP, boomers have a lot to thank the youngsters for.

[SammyWinstonJack]

161. What part of reality are you not getting? Re-read your comments for personal attacks.

And I thank you for nothing.

[SammyWinstonJack]

109. reagan doubled our payroll ss taxes. We will be paying our own way.

[robbedvoter]

10. And most importantly: WE VOTE!!!!!

[1corona4u]

59. Hopefully, all 78 million of us this year.

[onehandle]

15. The 20-somethings are giving us winners like this one ------>

"When he (Clinton) was president, he was not subjected to quite as much scrutiny, and I think he got a lot of passes, and now he’s mad he’s not getting them anymore."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/27/is-mary-katherine-ham-serious/

She was 12 when Clinton was elected. I weep for the future.

[rockymountaindem]

26. So, considering all the young people who are flocking to the Democratic party

...remember that the under-30 demographic was the only one to vote for Kerry, you pick this idiot as our representative? I guess you win the gold in the cherry-picking event.

[roguevalley]

145. one can cherry pick anything one way or the other. that is the point

of these kinds of threads. each generation has its good and bad. to blame this generation for everything wrong is bogus. it really cheeses off those of us who have always tried and did the hard thing. I expect the under 30's to do their best and they will either succeed or find out they don't same as us. Good look with Diebold, corporatism and all the rest. To assume our generation didn't try is as wrong as to assume all under 30's are dipshit slacker dumbasses.

[Avalux]

21. Um, is there some sort of competition going on here?

And incidentally, I'm not a baby boomer or a 20 something; a lot of those 'musicians' you quoted....hmmm.

[SteppingRazor]

28. Couple of points.

First, not to be a spokesperson for the younger generation or anything, but I apologize for whatever post caused you to post this. I'm sure it was probably pretty rude.

Now, a couple of points I would like to address in your OP.

First, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, the Stones, etc. may have been the music you listened to growing up, but if you insist on dividing things up by generation, then none of those musicians belong in yours, since all of them were born before WWII ended.

Music created by boomers would most accurately be music of the late 70s and early 80s, especially. So, Baby Boomer musicians include Springsteen, but also disco.

Also, you can snidely dismiss my generation for not having contributed anything, but as you say, we're in our 20s. What had the baby boom generation done by this time? You'd have to cross an awful lot of those things off your list.

But a more important point is this: Age stratification serves the same purpose as race stratification. It separates us along lines that are otherwise completely irrelevant. As I said in the beginning of this post, I'm sure whatever made you post this was probably a pretty stupid post from one of my peers. But what you've done here only serves to heighten the animosity over something as ephemeral and meaningless as one's age.

[1corona4u]

65. No the criteria I used for this;

"First, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, the Stones, etc. may have been the music you listened to growing up, but if you insist on dividing things up by generation, then none of those musicians belong in yours, since all of them were born before WWII ended."

Was when they became popular. Not when they were born. The baby boomer generation made them successful. Which is the criteria I used to determine most all of the categories.

[hughee99]

130. So by that logic...

wouldn't things like the Xbox, N64, Gameboy, the Ipod, Nike, rollerblades and MTV be credits to GenX, as it was in large part that generation that made them popular?

As for the artists you mentioned, many of them didn't become popular until well after the Boomer generation had ended, so do the Xers get the credit for them, too?

[roguevalley]

147. well, we had the vote for two years, fought and ended Viet Nam

and all the rest. I guess we did a few things. I am VERY, VERY happy for your generation that this dipshit war in Iraq isn't a draft war. But then, I know you would be in the streets opposing it.

[SteppingRazor]

226. I was in the streets opposing it before it began, regardless of the draft.

But, we all know how well that turned out.

*sigh*


I do, however, agree with you that, with a draft, opposition to this war would have been galvanized. That said, that greater opposition would not have been worth the much-larger body count.

[nancyharris]

29. I'd say a note of thanks is owed to the 20-something generation

by the baby-boomers because they are the ones that will be writing your Social Security checks for the next 30 years.

[Fresh_Start]

44. I'll believe it when I see it

they seemed more than happy to jump on the privatization wagon when bush was driving it

[nancyharris]

69. They have every reason to be concerned.

The baby-boomer generation is heading into retirement and has not only placed the complete burden of Social Security on later generations but also an additional 9 Trillion dollars of National debt.

[Mutley]

219. Did we now?

I recall being livid at the thought of privatizing SS and screwing over today's seniors in such a way.

I also recall already paying thousands of dollars into a system which will very likely never benefit me, with no second thoughts or complaints, all because it's for the good of society. I am 28 years old.

[Eurobabe]

45. As we work to pay for our grandparents and parents SS

This intergenerational warfare is really stupid. Cool it -- both sides!

My kids are 26 and 24, and I don't hear them tossing out hand grenades like the threads I've seen today. My youngest one is too busy getting a master's degree in art therapy to help foster children and wounded veterans, and the older one is working 60 hours a week in a demanding job. She doesn't complain about paying FICA. She knows it helps her grandmother make it through the month.

Is this internecene spatting a page out of "Boomsday" or what? :shrug:

[Adsos Letter]

67. Well said 48percenter...

you and I have talked about our girls before; yours are striving to be contributors to society, as are mine, with one in med-school and the other starting a degree in journalism.

OT but: howse the aches and pains?

:hi:

[Eurobabe]

92. all better!

only my wrists and shins hurt the next day. Nothing a couple of Advil couldn't cure! :D

I wanted to go again today, it was 50F and sunny again. Our weather is bizarre!

[1corona4u]

74. Unfortunantely, not all kids are like yours.

Some just think the world oews them more, and they should be in control. I think not.

[Eurobabe]

95. And I could say the same about some older people I know too

There are slackers on both sides. Just as there are good apples. :hi:

[1corona4u]

101. This is true as well...

my topic was born from one Obama 25 yr old supporter who thinks we, the baby boomers, should shut up and sit down....

[Eurobabe]

103. I know, I read it.

Now, take your prune juice, STFU and sit down.

:rofl:

[1corona4u]

104. LOL....

My body doesn't need prunes...yet... ;-)

[Eurobabe]

105. I plead the 5th on prunes, LOL

but I do need reading glasses. :puke:

[1corona4u]

114. That happens at 40....

I have about 6 pairs....but I just can't do glasses or contacts yet.

[roguevalley]

148. BINGO! That is the thread. I would hate to be their parents. :(

[nancyharris]

77. The difference, of course

is that there were 5 baby-boomers contributing to Social security for every 1 person claiming benefits. It is now 3 to 1 and in 15 years it will be 2 to 1.

[Eurobabe]

96. So come on young people, MAKE BABIES!!

:spray:

Just kidding!!

[nancyharris]

110. Actually

it is one of the many reasons for offering a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. America needs to grow its base of working taxpayers.

[Eurobabe]

113. I know, it's all the rage in Germany

either immigrant workers or paying people to have kids, because they will grow up to be taxpayers.

[1corona4u]

66. All $672.00 a month...at age 65

Thanks. It will really help. NOT.

[nancyharris]

83. Considering that the baby-boomer generation

was unable to save a penny of the excess Social Security benefits they paid to the government throughout their lives, $672.00 per month is more than you can expect.

[rockymountaindem]

89. Smackdown

:rofl:

[1corona4u]

93. Excuse me?

Please explain. In detail. With factual data, if possible.

[nancyharris]

108. Sure.

Baby-boomers have been paying an excess to the Social Security fund all of their lives. Each year the amount of Social Security collected exceeded the amount payed out in benefits. Instead of saving the excess (or investing it) for the future years, the excess has been routinely turned back to the general fund and spent on interest on the debt, social programs and the military. In 2018 the amount of Social Security benefits will exceed the amount taken in though taxes. The additional money (at that point) to fund those $672.00 monthly checks to the retired baby-boomers will be taken from the general funds. At that point the younger working generations will not only be paying for Social Security but part of their Federal Income tax will also be assigned to Social Security benefits. (all this, not to mention a 9 Trillion dollar deficit left by the baby-boomer generation)

[1corona4u]

116. And wasn't it Clinton and Gore...

that wanted to put SS in a "lock box"? I seem to recall that....

[nancyharris]

117. It was Al Gore that made that remark

during the 2000 Presidential campaign. (Unfortunately, people ridiculed him for it)

[1corona4u]

124. I recall that....

what a shame.

[roguevalley]

149. Can I get a thank you for my unit opting out of Social Security in the

70' like dipshits? We may not have contributed but we also won't be withdrawing.

[OzarkDem]

160. Welcome to DU

[DUyellow]

34. LOL, is this a joke?

[Kokonoe]

35. Without 20-somethings you would starve to death.

Are you going to flip burgers all day?

[1corona4u]

68. I wouldn't miss 20-somethings at all....

nor would I starve to death. I own my own business, and it doesn't depend on the 20-somethings at all. Actually, it's dependent ont he baby boomers....the 20-somethings can't afford what I sell.

[Adsos Letter]

73. Oh my...

when the world collapses we'll assume you have moved on... :eyes:

[Eurobabe]

97. ...

corona, you bad! :rofl:

[Mutley]

220. How condescending of you.

I wonder where the Republicans get this idea of the "liberal elite".

I'm glad you're so sure about what I can and cannot afford.

[Hart2008]

41. We, Baby Boomers, should have better grammar!

:dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce::spank::dunce:

[Recursion]

43. You also hung us out to dry in Seattle and DC

When we were getting tear gassed and beaten for a cause as important as what you guys marched for (more important, frankly), what did we get? Sneers, derision, and the claim that we were just trying to copy you but didn't have anything worth fighting for. Well, just because we woke up to neoconservative globalism a decade before you guys did...

Now, just what has the 20-something generation given us? Except grief?

Well, as I allude to above, we woke up to the dangers and evils of neoconservative/neoliberal global economics about a decade before you guys did, for the most part. We also brought you Vote Vets, MoveOn, YouTube, and essentially the lesson you guys never seemed to have learned from the 60's and 70's, that change has to come from the bottom up.

[lynnertic]

50. Well said!

[1corona4u]

71. Wow, impressive;

Vote Vets, MoveOn, YouTube.

[rockymountaindem]

91. Almost as impressive as Cindi Lauper!

How old were you when this porcupine crawled up your ass?

[1corona4u]

94. 25.

[BlackVelvet04]

80. You've also gotten support

from some of us.

[SteppingRazor]

82. And Miami.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the birth of "The Miami Model" at the FTAA protest is where I did my tear-gas huffing.

[NMMNG]

142. It wasn't just 20-somethings marching in DC

Nor has it just been 20-somethings working to overturn the RRRW agenda.

[Radical Activist]

236. And we didn't wait six years to start protesting the war in Iraq

like boomers did for Vietnam. This generation had massive protests before the war started.

[Kittycat]

51. I'm neither a boomer nor a 20-something... I'm an GenXer.

But good lord, this thread had to be written without the :sarcasm: insert by mistake, because I seriously cannot believe this is for real. The dem party needs and respects the contributions of 20's, we need them to move our positions further. Not to mention they're more likely to throw their hearts in to it - canvas, campaign, go door to door. I don't see many 50yos standing on the street corners in 10degree weather handing out flyers. They're involved, they're active - and we should be grateful for their participation and willingness to help GOTV. Afterall, they are our future.

[Writer]

81. I think this whole thread is a non-starter.

Seriously, how would an argument like the one the OP presents end anywhere but downhill?

But, heck, I decided to bite and toss out my vendetta against the Baby Boomers, anyway, in the post after this one. I have no problem underscoring the REALITY of the world they're soon to leave behind.

~Writer the Gen X'er~

[Writer]

76. What about we 30 to 40-somethings?

I suppose it's okay that we're now faced with a world of overpopulation, environmental degradation, starvation, the 80's (when Boomers decided that they were going to 'get ahead at all costs'), a dysfunctional education system, outrageously high college tuition (hence outrageously high debt), incredible economic disparity between the upper and lower classes, AIDS, Cocaine and its variants, an economically strapped Afro-American population that must daily face death and drugs, an ingrained selfish mindset, cars that still average 25 to 30 mpg, and the movies "Twins" and "Kindergarten Cop."

Some in my cohort will also tell you that working with Boomers has been difficult. They are unwilling to share knowledge with the younger cohorts and couldn't care less about others except for them, their pocket book, and their precious offspring.

But aren't many of those offspring now in their 20's? Why are you aiming this at the 20 year-olds, anyway?

So what happened to all those big ideals from the 60's and 70's, Boomers? They were washed away by the selfish, money-grubbing ideals of the 80's, the selfish, neurotic helicopter parenting of the 90's, and now we're going to have to pay a lot of money for your retirement years because you failed to save properly.

So... no hard feelings or nuttin'. ;)


"So don't delay act now supplies are running out
Allow, if you're still alive, six to eight years to arrive
And if you follow there may be a tomorrow
But if the offer is shun you might as well be walking on the sun."

- Smash Mouth, "Walking on the Sun"




With much love, despite this argument that will likely go nowhere,

~Writer the Gen X'er~

[1corona4u]

84. Why am I aiming this at 20-somethings?

Because that happens to be the biggest voting bloc for the Obama campaign. And, because it was a 25 yr. old Obama supporter who basically told us to shut up and sit down.

[Writer]

88. Well I hate to say it, but that's a little Boomer's child who grew up...

being told that they're the most precious little beings on the planet, whose inflated sense of ego has been supported by online social sites, and who grew up learning little to no respect of older age groups because his or her parents just wanted to be their "friends."

:P

~Writer, the Cantankerous Gen X'er. "Get off my lawn!"~

[1corona4u]

90. Can't argue with that statement.

:-)

[Writer]

102. Some of their parents get so pissed.

"That's not MY child," they'll say. "My child has a PhD in Physics from MIT!" (as if that's never happened before).

Then after you produce data and research demonstrating that, indeed, there is evidence showing an increase in the feeling of entitlement, and of narcissistic behavior, on the part of this age-group, they get hysterical.

"No! Not MY child! I paid good money to send them to Bangladesh so that they'll give back to the world!" (in truth, this type of work is ripe for their child's most recent Facebook entry.)

I didn't think about this myself until I began meeting a few people in this age-group: two my husband worked with, and one who works for a campaign.

All I have to say is that, with all THREE, I encountered boasting (like they were trying to prove to me how special they were), a complete disregard for my ten or more years of experience on this PLANET, and this hypercompetitive, "win at all costs" attitude that I believe was instilled in them at a very early age.

My prediction? Keep an eye out for an increase in white collar crimes in the next ten or so years.

~Writer the Unabashed Cynic~

[roguevalley]

151. I taught for 30 years and I have encountered this behavior

its rather amusing isn't it how EVERY younger generation feels they know more than the previous on every topic. :)

[Jed Dilligan]

172. Word. nt

[Little Star]

78. To bad Caroline & Ted ignored this issue. I have lost all

respect for their ignorance on this issue.

[1corona4u]

86. They're not the only ones....

many are.

[BlackVelvet04]

79. None of that is what I see as our accomplishments......

18 year old vote (obviously without which many of these young people wouldn't be voting)
abortion rights
civil rights
opportunities for women
end to the Vietnam war


I remember a meeting I had with a school counselor my junior year in high school. I was asked if I wanted to be a school teacher, a nurse, secretary or a stewardess. Those were pretty much women's options then. The baby boomers changed that.

I remember hiring an ACLU lawyer to fight the school dress code that was illegal according to the Virginia State Supreme Court. We won. I led a petition and letter writing campaign to get the 18 year old vote. I worked with war protesters. I joined with other women to get abortion rights. I joined with others in protesting racial discrimination. These were long battles and some of them still go on.

The question has been asked as to why so many of the hippies gave up....we got tired and some of us gave up and some of us just took a break.

[Fresh_Start]

87. most of the people are see volunteering or protesting

were the young generation in the 1960s.
so there are many of that generation that continue to work for peace and taking care of each other
so, I think they have nothing to apologize for

I also remember that 18-29s were heavily for Reagan and Bush the elder
Sadly most of those continue to be in the GOP fold

[Lyric]

225. Thank you

I'm a 28 year old woman who's grateful for the rights that you and other women helped fight for, so that I could grow up believing that I could be anything I wanted to be, instead of a teacher, a nurse, a secretary or a stewardess. So that I could have the final say over what happens to my body. So that I can wear jeans to class instead of skirts.

:hug: :yourock:

[THUNDER HANDS]

98. when did baby boomers start becomming cranky old people?

[roguevalley]

152. probably when they really considered their kids.

:evilgrin: I am told this is the fattest generation of young people ever in America.

[rucky]

107. You're not irrelevant.

you're incredibly relevant.

stop being so damn relevant, already!

[sentelle]

111. you mean you Yuppies.

Playstation, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, Cell phones, computers, DVD's/CD's, Ipods, Cordless phones, VHS/VCR recorders, Walkmans, Apple Mac, Nike sneakers, floppy disk, Pentium processors, micro processors, ethernet, Xerox, Laser printers, Ink jet printers, Computer Mouse, Roller blades, Hubble Space Telescope, GPS, Com Satellites, Satellite TV, Digital Cameras, THE WEB, Post it notes, Rubik's Cube, Lasers, The Space Shuttle, Music Videos, Cable Television, Full intergration of 'in color' television broadcasting, automobile air bags, Bar Codes, Email, LCD's, MRI's, The Pacemaker, Fiber optics, Kevlar, Hypertext, Portable Calculators.....


and lets not forget the advertising that made so much of this stuff 'neccesary', as opposed to things like, umm, quality education.

Instead of Quality education we get Channel one. Instead of outdoor recreation we get playstation, Nintendo 64, gameboy, Cell phones, Computers, DVD/CD's Ipods, etc. Does anyone know how to interact in the real world anymore? Based on the rudeness displayed by these Baby boomers (Lets just call them yuppies, as that is who they are, 'cus lets face it, when Tom Wolfe wrote 'The Bonfire of the Vanities' us Xers were still in school.


OPRAH WINFREY, MTV, The Weather Channel, Saturday Night Live, Star Wars, ET, Late Night w/David Letterman, CNN, Fox, 60 Minutes....lots more....

These are 'accomplishments'? Kind of like the new age concepts of parenting, like 'Dr. Spock'? that basically taught selfishness? Like Est, which again, taught selfishness?

And what else did they give us? Nixon? Reagan? I'm sure you Reagan Democrats did just fine under Ronnie Ray Gun. Meanwhile I was ten years old thinking the old shmoe was gonna blow up the world.... Or so I was taught..

And the Music? All people of my age ever heard about was Woodstock.... Was there a reason it couldn't be done again? oh, maybe because many of the people involved were also self-destructive, and self indulgent. And they raised their children to look after themselves, in that Tatum o'neil 'Paper moon' style. You expect us to take care of you? Why, when you didn't take care of us? You broke the social contract.

And now you want to relive your old glories, and be self righteous.... And after all those years of thinking of only yourselves, you want others to be selfless, so that they can take care of you.... Didn't you teach us to set a good example? Well, where is that good example?

[1corona4u]

126. Love your self portrait avatar.

That's all I have to say.

[Writer]

132. If that's the case, then we should all get on our knees and worship.

For he is the Great Cthulu.

[1corona4u]

159. LOL....Fiction...

I don't care what Cthulu represents, it's fricken nasty looking.

[themaguffin]

112. Hello Strawman

[SammyWinstonJack]

115. Not exactly.

[Desertrose]

118. Please...lets not do this...again.

We have been around this block how many times now??

Us Boomers did a lot of good and we did a lot of not so good...just like the generations before and the ones to follow.

Enough of the divisiveness and blame.

We need to work TOGETHER,don't ya think??

Let the generations to come build on the good that has gone before and try to change the not so good stuff.

Peace,
DR
(a boomer who loves her 20 & 30 something kids.)

[SammyWinstonJack]

119. Not too mention the fact that a lot of US policy for the past 30+ years was not enacted by boomers.

It was the generation before the boomers who got us into the mess we currently are in. Nixon reagan bush I and much of georgie's handlers are not boomers. But why let that little factoid get in the way of boomer bashing on DU? :argh:

[DarkTirade]

210. Hey, quit gettin' that common sense all over this argument. :)

[ErnestoG]

125. How about the Boomers and the 20 somethings getting TOGETHER?

They both have much to offer this election effort. And it's sorely needed.

[roguevalley]

153. agreed

[Steely_Dan]

127. I agree, the Boomers are not perfect...

We didn't do a very good job raising our kids apparently. I see many of them here today.

-P

[jillan]

135. Well, they are the ME generation, and it's all about how everything effects them.

Just compare the difference of protests to the VN war to now.

It's just not happening....

[inthebrain]

168. Protests to the Vietnam War and the civil rights movements

was spurred on by the remnants of the rabble rousers of the previous generations.

Folks like Howard Zinn, Daniel Berrigan and even MLK owed more to that generation. I'm not even certain that MLK could really be characterized as the Boomer Kids of the 60's.

Kurt Vonnetgut was another hold over from the WWII generation that was a big influence on the 60's Vietnam era.

The seventies and eighties cold war era was nothing more than a damning of their names.

[roguevalley]

154. BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!

[no name no slogan]

137. I just wish they'd

[SammyWinstonJack]

141. ...

:spray:

[DS1]

157. ooooh XEROX

[no name no slogan]

158. Back in my day, the men were men and the women were women

Nowdays, I can't even tell the men FROM the women.

And only God-fearing Christians were allowed to own guns.

[AGirl]

184. Boys will be Girls and Girls will be Boys

[Redstone]

162. They're still KIDS. What the fuck do you want? Go drink some Ensure, would you?

Redstone

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

208. I love you Redstone

:hug: lol

[WritingIsMyReligion]

212. "Go drink some Ensure."

:rofl::rofl:

You rock, Redstone.

:thumbsup:

[rockymountaindem]

235. Well said

:toast:

(that's not ensure in those glasses)

[inthebrain]

163. Yeah, thanks for the eight years of Reagan and four more years of Bush I

I'm not in my 20's.

I'm in my thirties.

For the last 20 years or so I don't think we owe you folks a damn thing. The Boomers are the story of a generation that left us all a mess. Not to mention a bunch of egoists that rapidly sold out their principles.

Thanks a lot for that.

What do we owe you for the red scare?

[zabet]

166. Hooray!!!

Geriatric Generation!!!
That's Baby Boomers to you
snot-nosed whippersnappers
of the 'I'm so fuckin' entitled
generation'.

:woohoo:

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

167. you forgot Nafta.

[matcom]

171. and YOU forgot Poland!

:rofl:

:D

[AGirl]

173. I am 24 and I've always enjoyed making friends with older people

They are more mature. :)

[matcom]

175. this one isn't

she is anything but

:rofl:

[Bluebear]

174. Hope. And Change.

:silly:

[DarkTirade]

177. So just out of curiosity...

which items on that list were you responsible for?

Just wonderin'.

[LeftyMom]

178. We're going to give you to the cheapest home we can find.

You're welcome.

[Tektonik]

192. fuck that

we're killing 'em for the inheritance

[LeftyMom]

195. The boomers blew our inheritance on tract houses, SUVs and boner pills.

But we can still save social security!

[Tektonik]

199. We can save it by killing all of them

:evilgrin:

[LeftyMom]

203. Quick: commandeer the "classic rock" station and announce you're giving away Stones tickets.

That'll get them all in one place. :evilgrin:

[Tektonik]

207. Just wait until William Safire gets ahold of such a gathering, he'd bring a tank

William Safire hates The Stones' poor grammar, and he'd probably kill them and the language terrorist sympathizers

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magazine/19wwln_safire.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

'Not-So-Super Quote

During halftime at Super Bowl XL (Extra Large? No; 40), Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones performed "Satisfaction," their 1965 hit. He pointed out in his introduction to the song that it could have been sung at Super Bowl I, adding, "Everything comes to he who waits."

That was a verbal malfunction more shocking than a previous Janet Jackson halftime. Because he is the subjective case of the third-person male pronoun, it cannot be the object of the preposition to. The pronoun must be the objective case him. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, in an 1863 poem that called up the image of a patient falcon carved in wood, had it right: "All things come round to him who will but wait. *" '

I'm going to Walmart now to buy Safire some ammo.

Save Social Security in '08 :patriot:



*ps William Safire did not write the bracketed passage.

[LeftyMom]

215. We's 'a gonna larn that english feller ta talk right?

I'll get mah gun. :patriot:

[DS1]

179. Kick for Huey Lewis and the News

:bounce:

[matcom]

180. and "We Built This City"

:rofl:

[DS1]

182. and The Beastie Boys

wtf! going a bit long there :crazy:

[JVS]

186. OOOOOHHHHHH YEAAAAAHHHHH!

[Deja Q]

201. Man, the whole causal nexus would have imploded if that song never got released...

:sarcasm:

Gee, they got off the dope and faux love in 1971 - by 1984, what made them so snotty and pompous? :evilgrin:

[JVS]

188. Hank "Bocephus" Williams Jr. b 1949

Go BOOMERS!

[JVS]

181. Those bands, especially the one's from the 60's were not Boomers. Beatles, Pink Floyd, Hendrix,...

Joplin, were born DURING the war, not after and are thus not Baby-Boomers

[Tektonik]

183. Go back to sleep

[originalpckelly]

185. There's one thing you forgot to mention: debt.

You've all given us debt up to our eyeballs, and our children's eyeballs! And their children! And their children!

[CreekDog]

187. this reminds me of that Billy Joel song

but it's so old I can't remember it.

[CreekDog]

189. Your rant needs more naked chicks and explosions

:rofl:

[matcom]

190. and douchebags

oh wait...

[CreekDog]

193. "Wang Chung"

She said wang :rofl:

[hyphenate]

191. Housing prices out of this world

Less interest in higher educations (You mean college isn't just for partying???)

Really stupid jokes

Movies with bigger SFX and less plot

Less compassion and more selfishness

More egocentricity and less empathy

Reality shows

The Spice Girls

[Chan790]

194. But what personally did you do?

Personal achievement trumps taking credit for things you didn't have a part in...that is unless you're secretly Mick Jagger, Al Gore, Andy Warhol, Abbie Hoffman, Jack Nicholson, Joan Baez, Bobby Seale,...

I can personally say that:

I raised over $1,000,000 in one calendar year in my first post-college job as a development coordinator.

I went door-to-door for a guy who supposedly had "no chance" of defeating an entrenched GOP incumbent for her seat in the US House of Reps. Guess who won?

Ran for Mayor of my town and lost. At least I put my time, effort, and money where my mouth is.

Played a major role in getting "canned hunting" outlawed in 3 states. (CT, PA, NJ)

Your turn, oldhead.

[Fox Mulder]

196. How about a stay at the shittiest nursing home around?

[Occam Bandage]

197. Good for you. Congratulations. The next 20 years will be just as fantastic.

[Deja Q]

198. Gee, what an incomplete and inaccurate list. Let me help you:

* global warming
* profiteering from global warming
* credit cards
* deficit spending
* latch key kids
* the "entitlement complex" gen-Y claims to have
* apathy toward their fellow citizen
* increased crime
* new and improved STDs to go with those sexual "freedoms"
* letting bullies have their way with the schools
* music that glorifies rape, murder, and theft (oh dear, hip-hop you say?)

I could go on and on and on about what you are too shallow and ashamed to say.

So why the hell am I bothering? I haven't even mentioned the most damning reason and you'd just spin it anyway.

You hate the younger generations, fine. I'll self-censor myself at this point.


I think the reality is: There needs to be a line between what a society does and how it acts. Then both sides wouldn't have much of a merit in their comments.

[hippywife]

204. I'm going to be 50 this year

and I certainly wouldn't brag about most of that list. ;)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

205. What had you accomplished in your 20s?

[cd3dem]

206. Insync and Britney

[Redstone]

211. They've given us themselves, being that they're our children. What more do you want?

It's enough for me. I have no complaints about them.

(PS: I don't think that having given the world Rick Springfield is anything to boast about.)

Redstone

[otherlander]

213. MTV SUCKS ASS!

MTV GET OFF THE AIR!

NOW!

[Steely_Dan]

214. With all the old people bashing going on...

I would prefer a simple "thank you." That would be sufficient.

-P

[CreekDog]

216. Are you saying you didn't start the fire?

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

222. Don't forget these two very important things....

If you're not a baby boomer, you'll never understand how traumatic this event was and how it changed everything...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1H6DSzBlVk&feature=related



We also brought you the right to vote at age 18. Use it wisely.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

223. I didn't know we 20-somethings were supposed to match that

while still in our twenties.

[Flatline]

224. Bitter are we? n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

227. Deacon Blue?!

Oh come on. :rofl:

[JVS]

228. Don't knock the Dan, man.

They're o-fucking-k

[RandomKoolzip]

229. "Deacon BlueS" was a Dan song; Deacon Blue was a synth-pop

band from the late 80's who frankly bit the wang. Proof:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTI31XuQxk

If you're trying to bolster the accomplishments of the booomers, referencing some third-rate Johnny Hates Jazz wanna-be's might just backfire.

[JVS]

234. zOMG! Teh suXXorz has been found, call off the other search parties!

[ZombieNixon]

230. And what exactly did you give your parents when you were 20?

:eyes:

Please stop. Every generation has its good points and its crap. The boomers certainly had their good points. I can't think of anyone I respect more than my parents (they didn't grow up in this country, but I do know they did their fair share of student marches and protests in their day). But you know what? You've got your share of shit, too. Bush II's a boomer. That's about enough to put paid to the notion of the boomers as the Blameless Generation.

Yes, in people my age, you see a lot of vacuous, self-obsessed MTV-babies. But guess who the executives who push this crap on the public are. If you guess Baby Boomers, you're right. And among 20-somethings, I see a lot of good, hard-working, talented, right minded people, who are going to change the world in their own way (I'd like to think I'm one of them, but maybe that's just a conceit on my part...after all, I just give everyone else grief, right, since I happen to be 21 years old). It may not be the same way you did it; the methods may be different, but our goals are just as sincere, and no lesser or inherently worse.

And just like in every group of people, divided by age, race, nationality, or class, there's warmongers, greedy bastards, and jerks, but alongside them are poets, writers, artists, leaders, and talented musicians. So maybe you should wait to pass judgement, or at least look inward before you even thing about it.

(Also, it doesn't do your generation any good to claim Wang Chung as one of your own. Just sayin'... :P)

[Xithras]

231. Bzzzt. Most of the cool electronics were developed by Xers.

Boomers invented the Internet back int he 60's, but it didn't get cool until the Xers got into it during the mid 90's. Ipods, Playstations, and other modern gaming tech are also Xer inventions. I'll give you the NES and Atari, but the new equipment is being developed by developers my age. High rez digital cameras that will fit in your pocket? Xers. LCD tv's? Xers.

As for your entertainment stuff...I seriously haven't heard of half that stuff. What the heck is "Huey lewis and the news"? "Wang chung"?

But overall I tend to agree about Gen Y. I just get irritated seeing Boomers taking credit for our Xer inventions :)

[krispos42]

232. We bought all the crap you made!

Otherwise, can you say "commercial failure"?




Ask us again during the 2048 primaries...

[WinkyDink]

233. The REAL test will be in 20 years, when we Boomer-geezers can ask the then-45-year-olds: "WHY

ISN'T THE WORLD PERFECT, now that YOU'RE in charge??"

Or is that what their 20-year-old offspring will ask?

[Radical Activist]

237. cry baby

For years Democrats have hardly talked about anything but prescription drugs for seniors, protecting social security and medicare. You can't make a little room for young people to talk about their issues once in a while? Its not enough that your generation is completely dominating the political debate but now you have to bitch and moan when younger people are given the slightest bit of attention? Get over yourself.